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Time for Viet men get pinoys girls. When a country gets positive view is easy for intermarrigares. I like pinoy girls, big butts and boobs.
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All of a sudden I got this nagging fear that we are truly going to be left behind by Vietnam. Not only is the former war torn country beating us in the attraction of foreign direct investments, now they are way ahead of us in education.

The BBC just published a report that gushed about Vietnam’s “stunning” rise in school standards. They are doing so well that they are now beating the US in a standardized test for students in the high school level.

“Participating in the tests for the first time, the country’s 15-year-olds scored higher in reading, math and science than many developed countries, including the United States and the United Kingdom.”

According to BBC, Vietnam scored 17th in math, 8th in science, 19th in reading – higher than the US in all subjects, which was ranked 36th at math, 28th at science, 23rd at reading. “In global rankings published by the OECD in May 2015, based on science and math, Vietnam was ranked 12th, while the US was in joint 28th.

(The rankings: 1. Singapore; 2. Hong Kong; 3. South Korea; 4. Japan and Taiwan; 6. Finland; 7. Estonia; 8. Switzerland; 9. Netherlands; 10. Canada; 11. Poland; 12. Vietnam).

I checked with DepEd and found out that we do not even take that international test called PISA. The last time we participated in an international assessment was in 2003. Just as well. It could have been another source of national shame.

We are not less intelligent than the Vietnamese or any other nationality. Our students have won gold medals in international math competitions. Despite all the lip service everyone gives education, we are just not doing enough to benefit the many.

We should learn from Vietnam. How can a war torn country speed past us in so many development metrics? How could they have made themselves so competitive despite having to repair the physical and psychological damage of a devastating war that raged for over two decades?

Maybe they have better leaders? But they had serious corruption problems too not long ago at the country’s senior leadership level. Unlike us, they managed to fix the problem and got back to the business of making their country highly competitive.

According to BBC, there are three key factors that contributed to the impressive results in education: committed leadership, a focused curriculum, and investment in teachers. “People at the highest levels of government in Vietnam are thinking about the challenges they face in educating their young.

“Very few other countries have shown a similar level of forward thinking and determination. The education ministry has designed a long-term plan. It is eager to learn from the best-performing countries on how to implement that plan successfully and is ready to commit the financial support that is needed.”

Vietnam, according to BBC, spent almost 21 percent of all government expenditure in 2010 to education – a larger proportion than seen in any OECD country. I checked how much we are spending and it is a dismal 14 percent. Sure, it is the largest in our national budget but it is so obviously inadequate.

The other big thing about Vietnam’s approach to education is “a curriculum that focuses on pupils gaining a deep understanding of core concepts and mastery of core skills. These students are expected to leave education not just able to recite what they have learned in class, but to apply those concepts and practices in unfamiliar contexts.”

BBC reports that “in Vietnamese classrooms there is an impressive level of rigor, with teachers challenging students with demanding questions. The teachers focus on teaching a few things well and with a great sense of coherence that helps students to progress.

Teachers in Vietnam are highly respected, both in society as well as in their classrooms. That may be a cultural trait, but it also reflects the role that teachers are given in the education system, which extends well beyond delivering lessons in school and embraces many dimensions of student well-being and support.

“Teachers are expected to invest in their own professional development and that of their colleagues, and they work with a high degree of professional autonomy. In fact, mathematics teachers, especially those working in disadvantaged schools, receive more professional development than the average in OECD countries.

These teachers know how to create a positive learning environment, foster good discipline in the classroom, and help to build students’ positive attitudes towards learning.

“This is also helped by the encouragement of parents, who generally hold high expectations for their children, and by a society that values education and hard work.”

That is our key weakness. We lack teachers, as in, we don’t have enough. And the teachers we do have need lots of training. This is why Rina Lopez Bautista shifted the focus of Knowledge Channel to teacher training. Youth volunteers of Teach Philippines should also help.

But we need a more institutional approach to teacher training. We also need to change our attitude toward teachers by upgrading their status in society.

The story is told of a Filipino farmer who proudly related how he successfully got his children through college. There was a lawyer, a doctor, an accountant, a nurse and a teacher. Then he added that the youngest is the least intelligent... “mahina ang ulo... kaya nag maestra na lang siya.” We need our best and brightest to be teachers.

The best way of putting importance to teaching as a profession is to pay them well. It is a horrible national failure that our teachers are leaving the country to take up work as domestic helpers in Hong Kong, Singapore and the Middle East.

They have started to raise salaries of teachers in public schools but we need to do more. We have to make the lives of our teachers more along the lines of the middle class. When my daughter was doing practice teaching at Balara Elementary School, she saw some teachers busy selling food to the pupils. They should be paid well enough to not to have to do that.

I imagine that we are daunted by the enormity of the education challenge. There may even be those in our education bureaucracy who think that it is too much to ask for quality education at our public schools. So long as they graduate so many elementary and high school pupils every year, their job is done.

Now here comes Vietnam and what they have achieved in education in so short a time is way out of our experience. It is also a serious challenge for competitiveness because Asean will be one market soon enough.

What makes Vietnam tick? Rogelio V. Paglomutan, a Facebook friend who has taught in Vietnam commented that unlike us, Vietnam is not afraid of foreign competition. “Vietnam has opened its education to foreign entities (100-percent foreign-owned), thus bringing the best practices in learning and advancement in knowledge and research collaboration.

“Australian, US, Singapore, Thailand and German universities are now operating in Vietnam. Proud to be one of the faculty of the Australian university (recruited around the world) then in Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam – the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT) International University in Vietnam.”

Another friend commented: “Vietnam also allows 100-percent equity in its entire financial sector. Who knows where else pa? Such self confidence is possible because they managed to beat the Americans in war. Unlike certain other ASEAN countries we know who love to play the victim. Pang telenovela talaga.”

I suspect one other reason why Vietnam has overtaken us is because they don’t have too many lawyers. They have engineers, economists, agriculturists and other useful professionals. There is little argument about attracting foreign capital maybe because they don’t have an economic oligarchy like ours who use the nationalist argument to fend off foreign competition.

In a sense we have squandered whatever advantages we might have had over Vietnam. Take that $1-billion Intel manufacturing facility we lost to Vietnam. I understand that Intel used a lot of Filipino technicians to get that facility running as Vietnam was still gearing up to bring their skills to the required level.

I think this BBC story on Vietnam’s stunning stride in education should make us realize the nature of the regional challenge. Unless we want to be relegated to the bottom half of Asean, we need to match the effort of Vietnam to educate their population.

If P-Noy’s claim that he has solved the classroom shortage problem is true, we should now focus on curriculum development and teacher training. Maybe we should allow independent international testing to benchmark where we are and set targets of where we want to be.

The problem is, doing what we must do has to happen now. Tomorrow will prove to be too late. Let this be an important election issue too.
 
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That's anticipated.

Sino-Sphere traditionally does much better in education than the rest in the region.

Nothing wrong to learn from the better, or, if possible, the best.

Teachers in Vietnam are highly respected, both in society as well as in their classrooms. That may be a cultural trait, but it also reflects the role that teachers are given in the education system, which extends well beyond delivering lessons in school and embraces many dimensions of student well-being and support.
 
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Different thing

Vietnam : Biggest bride exporter
Pinoy : Biggest maid exporter

Common thing

Both of them earns huge forex for their country
 
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This probably still what irk me about Sino sphere culture altogether. Women seemed so secondary.

Time for Viet men get pinoys girls. When a country gets positive view is easy for intermarrigares. I like pinoy girls, big butts and boobs.

Our education probably aren't the best when compare to other Sino cultures. But we did well for the money that was putting in. When I was in Vietnam, illiteracy was a problem. But the improvement within this 15 years are tremendous.

My childhood friend was too poor. He decided to stay home and help out his family instead of going to school despite being a good student. >___< Such a thing can't be empathize much in the USA, a lot don't know the yearning for school and yet the inability to do it.
 
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This probably still what irk me about Sino sphere culture altogether. Women seemed so secondary.

There is definitely a long way to go in terms of empowerment and equal opportunity. But, nonetheless, East Asia, due to its secular culture, is still very progressive on this issue than many other geographies.

If there is inequality, it is due to the overall poverty. Once East Asian (Sino-sphere) countries becomes rich, they will adopt definitely more progressive programs.

This is especially so for socialist countries.

All the best to Vietnam in this very important (policy) issue.

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White paper highlights gender equality, women's development
September 22, 2015

China issued a white paper on gender equality and women's development on Tuesday, providing a comprehensive overview of the country's policies for women and the unremitting efforts made in this regard.

Gender equality and women's development in China not only shows the country's own progress, but also constitutes a historical contribution made to global equality, development and peace, said the white paper, which was released to mark the 20th anniversary of the UN's Fourth World Conference on Women held in Beijing.

As part of the commemoration, UN Women and China will co-host a high-level global leaders' meeting on gender equality and women's empowerment at UN headquarters on Sept. 27, which will be chaired by President Xi Jinping. More than 70 world leaders are expected to make concrete commitments and firm pledges to overcome gender equality gaps.

Hu Kaihong, spokesperson for the State Council Information Office, the white paper's publisher, said releasing the document at this key moment will help the international community better understand China and enhance exchanges between China and the world.

According to the white paper, China has progressively improved its laws and regulations, developed public policies, worked out development plans and pressed forward steadily with gender equality and women's development.

The white paper said China has always upheld the constitutional principle of equality between men and women, which is also a basic state policy for promoting progress in the country and society.

ECONOMIC INTERESTS

China fully protects the economic interests of women, promoting women's equal participation in economic development and equal access to the fruits of reform and development, said the white paper.

Significant progress has been made in alleviating poverty among women, it said.

To create favorable conditions for women's employment and career development, China has also implemented policies to equalize the retirement age for female middle-ranking officials, senior professionals and technicians at state organs and public institutions. The country has pushed policies to facilitate the growth of female scientists and promote equal employment opportunities for female college graduates, it said.

China has also improved the level of social security for women, including maternity, old-age, medical, unemployment and work-related injury insurance, according to the paper.

The white paper said the number of female entrepreneurs accounts for one quarter of the total number of entrepreneurs in China, and about 55 percent of new Internet businesses are founded by women.

It said China protects the land rights of women in rural areas and women living in rural areas account for about 70 percent of the total agricultural labor force.

LIFE AND EDUCATION

The average life expectancy for women grew to 77.4 years in 2010, an increase of 4.1 years from 2000, said the white paper.

Maternal and child health services have also become more equitable and accessible in China.

The state has worked hard to improve community-level maternal and child health services and managed to provide full life-cycle health services for women, it said.

Women's participation in decision making and management has markedly improved in China, according to the white paper.

China values the role of women in people's congresses by improving their representation in the ranks of deputies to people's congresses at various levels, it said.

A marked improvement has been seen in gender equality in marriages and families in China over the past 20 years. It has become the norm for husbands and wives to make family decisions together, with more than 70 percent of women taking part in major family decisions, said the white paper.


More and more women can share family resources on an equal basis with men, and the concept of men and women sharing housework is now accepted. The gap for time spent on housework between men and women shortened from 150 minutes 10 years ago to 74 minutes now, according to the white paper.

The gender gap in education has also narrowed after China implemented a special policy to ensure school-age girls enjoy equal access to compulsory education, it said.

LEGAL ASSISTANCE

China has put in place a legal system for protecting women's rights and interests and promoting gender equality, with more than 20 laws and regulations enacted and revised, the paper said.

China has also encouraged judicial action against domestic violence at the grassroots level. Professional women's organizations, such as women judges associations, women procurators associations and women lawyers associations, have played a positive role in safeguarding women's rights and interests, said the white paper.

In 2014, China established 3,737 legal aid institutions, providing help to 352,000 women. Compared with 2000, the number of legal aid institutions increased by 97.7 percent, and the number of women receiving legal aid increased by 310,000.

The country's first anti-domestic violence legislation was reviewed during last month's bimonthly legislative session, which has made various breakthroughs toward bringing the social-cultural taboo under the scrutiny of law.

The Chinese government first issued a white paper in 1991, stating Chinese policies on various topics ranging from economy, politics and culture, and has released 96 white papers.

@FairAndUnbiased
 
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The story is told of a Filipino farmer who proudly related how he successfully got his children through college. There was a lawyer, a doctor, an accountant, a nurse and a teacher. Then he added that the youngest is the least intelligent... “mahina ang ulo... kaya nag maestra na lang siya.” We need our best and brightest to be teachers.

How very empowering and trans-formative ! I see that the Vietnamese and Filipinos can complement each other and cooperate with each other on a host of social and cultural issues positively and constructively. Wishing them the best on all their projects together.

Japan stands with you, Vietnam and Philippines. :)
 
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Pynoy friends speak English better than us ( we, who learnt here locally in Vietnam).
 
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Pynoy friends speak English better than us.

Its probably the American factor, the Philippines was an American colony for 50 years.

And yes, Filipinos are very fluent in English. In fact, the Philippines hosts a lot of Japanese and Korean schools , which allows Japanese and Koreans to study English competency relatively in an affordable manner. Filipinos are , from my exposure with them, very educated, kind, and open minded. :)
 
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Its probably the American factor, the Philippines was an American colony for 50 years.

And yes, Filipinos are very fluent in English. In fact, the Philippines hosts a lot of Japanese and Korean schools , which allows Japanese and Koreans to study English competency relatively in an affordable manner. Filipinos are , from my exposure with them, very educated, kind, and open minded. :)

You are right. we learn English here with our teachers, they learnt English in Vietnam too. So we have a joke, it said "Rice to be mixed with the rice, it is still a rice" .:enjoy:
 
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That's just so true, isn't it? I like your outlook on things, buddy ! ;)

Based on mine own experience, I taken mine kid to private English school, where the teachers for English is came from countries where the the English is the nature language. Its very expensive.:-)
 
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Based on mine own experience, I taken mine kid to private English school, where the teachers for English is came from countries where the the English is the nature language. Its very expensive.:-)

In my primary school years, my father enrolled me at an english international school in Sapporo. I suppose i was exposed to english that way. And what i also did when i was in high school was join some of my classmates to enroll on summer-school english practicum in Philippines. I loved it there. You get to practice english while in the school, but when school hours expired, i was able to practice and learn some Filipino language.

Food is good, people are good, the beaches are nice, the women are gorgeous, o man. Gotta love Southeast Asia!
 
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In my primary school years, my father enrolled me at an english international school in Sapporo. I suppose i was exposed to english that way. And what i also did when i was in high school was join some of my classmates to enroll on summer-school english practicum in Philippines. I loved it there. You get to practice english while in the school, but when school hours expired, i was able to practice and learn some Filipino language.

Food is good, people are good, the beaches are nice, the women are gorgeous, o man. Gotta love Southeast Asia!

I'm a jelous with you. Japan is developed country.

I finished my study in 1990s year locally. when Vietnam is under embargo of western countries, we didnt have enough good text book or media tool like audio cassette etc. for approve our pronunciation. very sad.:(
 
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