Philippines alone in Asean vs China

[beijingwalker]

Asean seeks China agreement on South China Sea code

Cambodian PM Hun Sen said the South China Sea code was a key goal of the meeting.

what code?link please..

 

[amidamaru]

My friend when I have been to abroad, he is Jew. He told me that: some one is accepted as Jew by Jew comunity, when mother is Jew. I think you know why.

but they are never really accepted by the jew community... they are seen as bastards lol

yes it funny how people might only be say 1/20th lets say african, the rest is white, so 95% is white, yet they identify as african? lol

i think if yingluck was not hot as hell, and if she was seen in a bad light, the chinese guy would definitely not identify her as chinese.. they take credit where it is not due, and deny responsibility when it is due lol

 

[beijingwalker]

ethnic chinese hahahaha oh my..

yingluck's GREAT GRANDFATHER was chinese who immigrated to thailand..

the rest of her blood is pure thai... she is ethnically THAI... not chinese... the chinese in her genes would be miniscule and non evident in any way, shape or form

in China we trace paternal lineage from which you get your surname.the whole blood line is from the paternal side.

 

[Martian2]

At "Click," only naive amateurs like you believe the U.S. chart.

1. If it's top secret, they wouldn't have leaked it.

2. I can post citations to specify the advanced sound-reducing technology on Chinese submarines. Can you provide any reputable citations to identify the alleged technological weaknesses in Chinese submarines to make them noisy? Propaganda doesn't work on a professional defense forum.

Why don't you go ahead and provide your best citations? Afterwards, I'll show you mine.

 

[amidamaru]

in China we trace paternal lineage from which you get your surname.the whole blood line is from the paternal side.

lol, is that why her last name is shinawatra and not Seng?

maybe in chinese culture the whole bloodline is from the paternal side, science and dna say different.

before her GREAT grandfather, they had thai males in their line of family.. and a looong history of thai, so reality is, she has little chinese blood

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Hunsen is ethnic Chinese ,so is the Thai prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

So why did not Hun Sen call for China's help instead of Vietnam's help in 1975-1978 to fight against Pol Pot?

 

[Martian2]

Where did "Click" go? I waited five minutes and he ran from the thread? Anyway, here's my citation on the quietness of Chinese submarines.

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Top 6 reasons why Type 039G Song-class submarine is very quiet

"Chinese Type 039G Song-class No. 314 naval submarine docks at the Ngong Shuen Chau naval base in Hong Kong."

1. Modern teardrop hull shape

2. Engine mounted on shock absorbers

3. Anechoic tiles. "Internet-source photos of Type 039s under construction also show Chinese mastery of advanced multi-layer rubber/polymer hull coatings that greatly reduce hull-radiated noise while also limiting the effectiveness of active-sonar detection."

4. "Large asymmetrical seven-bladed skewed propeller" to reduce cavitation

5. Diesel-electric engine design "insulates the noisy diesel engines from the pressure hull, making the submarine quieter." A diesel-electric submarine can "operate virtually silently while on battery power."

6. Tight tolerances during manufacturing by using advanced Chinese 7-axis machine tools. "It probably should be noted that blade noise among Soviet/Russian submarine types dropped dramatically after Japanese electronics company Toshiba and Norwegian company Kongsberg sold advanced milling machinery and control equipment to the USSR in the mid 1980s."

References:

a. Type 039 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [1,2,3]

b. International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > Top Ten Chinese Military Modernization Developments (see section VIII) [3; second sentence]

c. Chinese Navy [3,4]

d. Supercavitating Propeller [4; reduce cavitation]

e. Submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [5; first sentence]

f. http://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=445936 (p. 29) [5; second sentence]

g. HarpGamer > Tactics 101: Anti-Submarine Warfare - Part 3 (see Target Identification) [6; second sentence]

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From my April 14, 2011 post:

China's CKX5680 Digitally Controlled 7-axis Contour Milling Machine

The Wuhan Heavy Industry Corp. just made a breakthrough in an 863 Project. This is the CKX5680 Digitally Controlled 7-axis Contour Milling machine. This is significant as it is specialised in building ship propellers, like this one, for aircraft carriers and submarines. It is much more precise than 5-axis machines.

[Note: Thank you to "pugachev_diver" for the post.]

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Type 039 Song-class submarine with asymmetric seven-bladed skewed propeller to reduce cavitation

 

[beijingwalker]

So why did not Hun Sen call for China's help instead of Vietnam's help in 1975-1978 to fight against Pol Pot?

but how come he changed and decided to side with China?years ago you north Vietnam was just a Chinese puppy dog,things may change,sometimes dogs do bite the hand that feeds.

 

[EastSea]

what code?link please..

one more for you. BBC News - Asean seeks China agreement on South China Sea code

lol, is that why her last name is shinawatra and not Seng?

maybe in chinese culture the whole bloodline is from the paternal side, science and dna say different.

before her GREAT grandfather, they had thai males in their line of family.. and a looong history of thai, so reality is, she has little chinese blood

She and her brother looked different.

but how come he changed and decided to side with China?years ago you north Vietnam was just a Chinese puppy dog,things may change,sometimes dogs do bite the hand that feeds.

When chinese, vietnamese joined for socialist pack headed by Soviet Union. Chinese hided his true face of dirty traitor. Traitor is more dangerous than enemy in front, we can't know when they backstabbing on us.

 

[Click]

At "Click," only naive amateurs like you believe the U.S. chart.

1. If it's top secret, they wouldn't have leaked it.

2. I can post citations to specify the advanced sound-reducing technology on Chinese submarines. Can you provide any reputable citations to identify the alleged technological weaknesses in Chinese submarines to make them noisy? Propaganda doesn't work on a professional defense forum.

Why don't you go ahead and provide your best citations? Afterwards, I'll show you mine.

What you say you don't do it yourself, Do you?

You said:

The U.S. has a healthy respect for China's manufacturing power. If you read U.S. news articles, they refer to China manufacturing submarines "like sausages off an assembly line."

The Same US News Articles also says this:

China's Noisy Subs Get Busier -- And Easier to Track | Danger Room | Wired.com

You should not be taking that as Propaganda since this is the same US news articles which called China's submarines "like sausages off an assembly line."


I have already given news from reputable sources like FAS.

I have showed you How the USN has Spoofed on Chinese and Russian Submarines over the years and made have an intact assessment of both.

You are yet to dispute the USN publications with some facts backed by reliable Sources.

 

[auspice]

China 'till now is insisting that the issue on land ownership be resolved bilaterally. China will never agree with a unilateral approach because he will be facing a big force if all the ASEAN members unite their force and act as one. China is obviously giant in terms of strength and power compared to any of his neighbors. It is very easy for China to overpower any of the ASEAN member country hence, China's insistence of bilateral approach. To allow a land grabber and bully (China) in his own terms and conditions to settle the dispute is ridiculous and absurd. I strongly suggest that all the ASEAN member countries should unite... make a common stand and insist to implement the UNCLOS. It is tantamount to giving up your right to protect your legal properties if you allow China to settle the issue on his own terms and conditions. NEVER ALLOW A THIEF AND A BULLY TO TRAMPLE YOUR RIGHTS. STAND FOR YOUR RIGHT.

 

[beijingwalker]

What you say you don't do it yourself, Do you?

You said:



The Same US News Articles also says this:

China's Noisy Subs Get Busier -- And Easier to Track | Danger Room | Wired.com

You should not be taking that as Propaganda since this is the same US news articles which called China's submarines "like sausages off an assembly line."


I have already given news from reputable sources like FAS.

I have showed you How the USN has Spoofed on Chinese and Russian Submarines over the years and made have an intact assessment of both.


You are yet to dispute the USN publications with some facts backed by reliable Sources.

is that the way US helps itself to feel embarrassed ??

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
By MATTHEW HICKLEY

Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007


When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced | Mail Online

 

[Martian2]

What you say you don't do it yourself, Do you?

You said:



The Same US News Articles also says this:

China's Noisy Subs Get Busier -- And Easier to Track | Danger Room | Wired.com

You should not be taking that as Propaganda since this is the same US news articles which called China's submarines "like sausages off an assembly line."


I have already given news from reputable sources like FAS.

I have showed you How the USN has Spoofed on Chinese and Russian Submarines over the years and made have an intact assessment of both.

You are yet to dispute the USN publications with some facts backed by reliable Sources.

I gave you almost ten citations.

You can't point to a single major sound-emitting problem with a Chinese submarine, can you?

1. It's not the hull shape.

2. It's not the propeller.

3. It's not the sound-deadening anechoic tiles on Chinese submarines.

4. It's not the engine mounted on sound-absorbing shocks.

5. It's not the silent electric driveshaft.

Well, what are you claiming is making Chinese submarines noisy?

Point to something on the submarine and not some propaganda poster.

By the way, I'm not going to keep playing your stupid game. Either point to something that you consider is emitting a lot of sound on the Chinese submarine and back it up with a reputable citation or I'll label you a persistent troll and ignore you.

 

[beijingwalker]

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

lol.our bad,our subs are not loud enough to let US fleet hear us,we should send their short message next time when we get close to them.lol

 

[ajtr]

For Philippines best inspiration is to draw from the following.

Mai akela hi chala tha janib-e-manjil magar.
Dost sath aate gaye aur kafila banta gaya

If they answer not to thy call walk alone,
If they are afraid and cower mutely facing the wall,
O thou unlucky one,
open thy mind and speak out alone.
If they turn away, and desert you when crossing the wilderness,
O thou unlucky one,
trample the thorns under thy tread,
and along the blood-lined track travel alone.
If they do not hold up the light when the night is troubled with storm,
O thou unlucky one,
with the thunder flame of pain ignite thy own heart
and let it burn alone.