Petraeus Warns of Declining Public Support in Pakistan for U.S.

[Mac2]

But americans are making a great effort to gain pakistan public opinion by giving millions of dollars for IDP'S and aid for infrastructure development than still pakistani people beleive conspiracies against us.
Give your opinion why is this happening?
Is this due to media.

 

[ajpirzada]

But americans are making a great effort to gain pakistan public opinion by giving millions of dollars for IDP'S and aid for infrastructure development than still pakistani people beleive conspiracies against us.
Give your opinion why is this happening?
Is this due to media.

it has to do a lot with history and with how pakistanis think.

-sanctions after 1965 war with india and sanctions after u were done with defeatin USSR through pakistan. now u can imagine wat happens to a country with more than 3 million refugees plus the sanctions. this has lead to a feeling (both within the establishment and civilian population) that US cannot be trusted and will leave us with more sanctions once objective in afghanistan is achieved.
-secondly US relation with the muslim world over last 8 yrs has added more fuel to the fire. iraq war and afghan war. ppl view it as US killin muslims. as majority killed is innocent so now ppl just consider WMD or al qaeda as just an excuse given by US to increase her area of influence.
-on top of all this u bless us with drone attacks as well in which more than 600 civilians have died. u not only targeted houses but also weadings, funnerals, and other family gatherings.
-then u have got these reports comin out everyday targetin our nukes. for u it might just be a WMD but most of us have got a love affair with it. this then spreads the fear that US wants to take out our nukes with the help of indian and israel.
-majority in pakistan were opposed to pakistan being an ally of US in this war of terror. musharraf (deing a dictator) took this decision (for wateva reason) on his own and therefore till this date most of pakistanis dont own US war in afghanistan. and today majority blames US and our Leaders (mainly musharraf) for wat is happenin in pakistan today. it is looked as a fall out of war in afghanistan which we never supported.

all these reasons overshadow those millions of dollar u give to our leaders.

this might not sound gud but its the ground reality.

 

[Mac2]

But us is trying its best to overlook history and change pakistani thinking. We are your friends not foes.

 

[Neo]

But us is trying its best to overlook history and change pakistani thinking. We are your friends not foes.

Better treat us like one and do something aboout your media.

 

[Mac2]

See man media is an independent identity especially in america where there are tens of news channels and hundreds of newspapers so a lot of opinions and thinking and conspirasies so do not get distracted by media. When there are so many mouths everyone will say different thing and will invent new story to outnumber each other everyday.

 

[ajpirzada]

But us is trying its best to overlook history and change pakistani thinking. We are your friends not foes.

even we want that. but again it takes time. one shouldnt be expectin pakistanis to forget the last sixty yrs in just few months.
like hiliary clinton said that u need a consistant policy towards pakistan and not a two faced one which has been the case so far. her statement is very true and i also appreciate the fact that this is comin from a high rankin official of US of A. our relation will now very much depend on how consistant ur policy is towards pakistan.

 

[Mac2]

for u it might just be a WMD but most of us have got a love affair with it.

i am telling you man falling in affair with WMD is not a good practice. Please resurrect your thinking. I know nuclear assets are invaluable for a country but these are very fatal as my parents have been in danger of an nuclear attack of USSR now only they can tell how it feels. Please do not fall in love with there human extinctors. These are very dangerous and bad omens for human society. I think obama has done a great beginning to wipe out WMD from the world.

 

[asq]

That is not because any other reason but due to poor family planning and mass illegal migration from Africa and Asia where most of the worlds poor muslims reside.

If Pakistan was the ideal world of Allah why do so many muslims risk their lives to come to Europe ?

Regards

because In Islamic countries dictators were installed at the end of world war 2, Middle east was divided into what we have today.

Read some books how these Kings in Saudi Arabia, and in Jordan and in Ameer's in Kuwait how were installed, and who they were.

The books name is Paris 1919 and is written by Margarete McMillan.

Now Muslims in Europe are not all immigrants, and many of those are born Europeans, but i guess u still call them immigrants because they do not look like European your standard.

I am really not impressed by your questioning, you are questioning for the sake of arguments and not for real honest discussions.

Are you so naive that you do not know what is happening in Pakistan and why.

I have written many posts what happened in Pakistan since Soviets walked in how Pakistan has suffered fighting for this world and have lost not only our brave soldiers, but innocents, our economy suffers and Indian is being awarded for what, so that it can be used against us when and if required.

Has nothing to do with family planing, has all to do with our leaders who have failed to provide good education, housing and other amenities and put all the aid money in Swiss banks.

Now that brings me to the point of banking, why Europeans allow Swiss banks to hoard money stolen by these Leaders. Hell will break loose if it was done by a bank from Middle east or Pakistan.

I am all for freedom of speech not accusations and abuses, Speech has to be factual and civilized, calling our Holy prophet names is not a free speech, it is abusive and accusative, and it is not civilized. Most of all it is a lie. done with malice.

I know this may be little long but I am answering your question with care, concern and trying to be civilized at the same time.

 

[asq]

i am telling you man falling in affair with WMD is not a good practice. Please resurrect your thinking. I know nuclear assets are invaluable for a country but these are very fatal as my parents have been in danger of an nuclear attack of USSR now only they can tell how it feels. Please do not fall in love with there human extinctors. These are very dangerous and bad omens for human society. I think obama has done a great beginning to wipe out WMD from the world.

so let us all get rid of these nukes, including Israel and India and at the same time implement all resolutions on all U.N. members and make a genuine peace in the world. Let us not be tongue and cheek

 

[asq]

But us is trying its best to overlook history and change pakistani thinking. We are your friends not foes.

if you are our friend than stop using India as a proxy, start a genuine peace in Kashmir and in Philistine. and help us with our economy, education and general well being.

We think we are your friend and that is why we are fighting this war.

we have always been the friends of U.S. starting from 50's when U2 flew from Pakistan over Russia, in Vietnam war, in Suez canal problem and helped diplomatic relation with Chinese, and most of all war in Afghanistan against Russians and now against Taliban.

We have suffered tremendously and have not been recipient of a help worthy of a friend.

Hopefully I have been able to put the point across and hope this will bring more respect and help for Pakistan, the greatest ally U.S. can have.

 

[Always Neutral]

Now Muslims in Europe are not all immigrants, and many of those are born Europeans, but i guess u still call them immigrants because they do not look like European your standard.

They are muslim leaders who are ruling muslim countries not English or US Governors. Its upto the people of those countries to decide whom they want as rulers now. Muslim countries have a very bad track record as democracies you can see where ever conversions to muslim religion have taken place en masse with money that country has got ruined for eg Somalia, Chad etc. It may be nothing to do with Islam the religion but has definately got something to do with something with the guys who propogate it. See how Swat was thurned into a desert by the TTP. Its a known fact that migration and larger families have lead to growth of muslim religion in Europe and nothing to do with how people look. Please travel to Sangete in France and see how many Africans and Asians of muslim religion (with a sprinkling of Christians, Hindus etc) are trying to enter UK.

Regards

 

[Always Neutral]

I have written many posts what happened in Pakistan since Soviets walked in how Pakistan has suffered fighting for this world and have lost not only our brave soldiers, but innocents, our economy suffers and Indian is being awarded for what, so that it can be used against us when and if required.

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Where did you pick up this I must say crap that THAT YOU FOUGHT FOR THE WORLD AGAINST THE SOVIET ? The world has no problems with USSR, you allowed your self to be lackeys of the US and ruined a generations of Pakistanis and Afghanis by stupid Islamic Jihadi indoctrination for a fisftull of dollars and now that its come back to bite you you come up crocodile tears ?

Regards

 

[asq]

See man media is an independent identity especially in america where there are tens of news channels and hundreds of newspapers so a lot of opinions and thinking and conspirasies so do not get distracted by media. When there are so many mouths everyone will say different thing and will invent new story to outnumber each other everyday.

And they should be free, but must report the truth and do not bluff by saying that

FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR IS TRUTH.

Not right, Truth must always be told no matter what.

 

[asq]

Where did you pick up this I must say crap that THAT YOU FOUGHT FOR THE WORLD AGAINST THE SOVIET ? The world has no problems with USSR, you allowed your self to be lackeys of the US and ruined a generations of Pakistanis and Afghanis by stupid Islamic Jihadi indoctrination for a fisftull of dollars and now that its come back to bite you you come up crocodile tears ?

Regards

so that is what you have to say about us the lackeys, u sir are rude, no use talking to you.

u claim to be civilized people, concerned for all oppressed is just a front I guess. really u do not care and call other lackeys when your purpose completed.

Why do than all U.S. and U.K. minters leaders keep coming to Pakistan almost every day, for what , if we are lackeys.

 

[Always Neutral]

so that is what you have to say about us the lackeys, u sir are rude, no use talking to you.

u claim to be civilized people, concerned for all oppressed is just a front I guess. really u do not care and call other lackeys when your purpose completed.

Why do than all U.S. and U.K. minters leaders keep coming to Pakistan almost every day, for what , if we are lackeys.

What is rude with the word lackey ? A spade is a spade and thats that. You did US's dirty work got paid for it, interfered in an another nations internal affair got a lot of innocent people killed. Today PA faces its own people like TTP who did not hesitate in be-heading the 4 SSG men so why cry crocodile tears now ?

Brown and Bush need to visit you as you are neighbours of Afghanistan where our troops are stationed and to remind you that you have created monsters like TTP and its your job now to kill them.

Truth is always bitter.

Regards