TankMan
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Wake up. You've been brainwashed like hell.Well, this is my last post to you in this regard. And I really have nothing to say since you continue to deny that an ideological problem exists. The most I can do is ask you to think rationally and read my points once again. Here they are as I told you:
"Well, you can go on and continue to apologize on behalf of this ideology or even succeed convincing some people that such an ideology does not exist and all these horror is being done by "depressed psychiatric patients" who need "talk therapy" and "SSRI capsules" plus a good night sleep. As they say, the greatest trick the devil pulled was convincing the people that he did not exist.
The fact of the matter is, the Takfiri/Wahabi ideology is the culprit. Those kids would be alive today if this ideology did not exist. As would many other people around the world. A fascist ideology which dehumanizes its opponents and the children to the level of fair prey, is the core of the problem that many countries around the world including Pakistan are facing. and this problem will not go away until people realize that it exists and needs to be countered."
"The figure of 99% comes from News reports. Take the example of Pakistan. Out of all the attacks in Pakistan, what percentage has been caused by Takfiri ideology and what percentage by Christian/Shia/Brelvi/Ahmandi/Hindu/Sikh/etc ideologies combined. It is clear. 99% is due to Salafism/Takfirism. 1% due to other ideologies. A rouge mad man can pop up among any ideology, even among atheists. But with Takfiri ideology there is a pattern. An undeniable one.
Not at all. You know exactly what I am saying. Brelvis have not gone to form complicated and powerful militias attacking other communities and the government of their nation, trying to bring down the state to its knees and negotiate the surrender of the armed forces of that nation. This is only being by one and only one ideology. The ideology of Salafism/Wahabism, which believes that through grotesque bloodshed, it can dominate the world.
This is what I said to you and I stand by it: "There were very nice and even agreeable Nazi citizen in Hitler's German but the ideology was the culprit. Here it is no different. Unless the ideology is not tackled the way it was tackled in Post War Germany, Pakistan will continue to suffer, no matter how much Pakistan invests in its Army and Intel services. The core of this problem facing Pakistan is a violent ideology. You can not fight an ideology with security measures and brute force alone. You must uproot the ideology feeding it."
Oh, no. Killing an entire people along with their children to finish off an ideology is only done by Salafi/Wahabi groups. As you can see around yourself. To fight an ideology like the one we are talking about, you do not repeat, what they are doing. You go to the core of this ideology. As the Germans did post World War II. The first step is to ban all groups and institutions and funding for such ideology. Then you bring in the people who are opposed to this ideology and give them all the power in government and jobs and stuff. You isolate this ideology by pushing it to the fringe of society, without any political, economic and social power. Even today you can be a Nazi in Germany. But you have to kiss goodbye to your job, to your normal life and any respect, or government help and become a watched entity by State security agency. The answer is not killing. The answer is to isolate and dry up the infection. No compromise, whatsoever. Such ideology must be treated like a plague.
The rest is semantics. An ideology that kills 150 defenseless children and female teachers, should be debated openly. Without this debate, no progress can come. People have to know what and why causes, such barbarity? What allows and justifies such horror? These questions can not be brushed under the rug. If even you succeed to apologize on behalf of this ideology and brush it under the rug, it will be only a matter of time before this monster will rise up again. Stop being an apologist for this ideology."
How can you continue to say 'one ideology alone', despite the fact that dozens of terrorist groups exist and operate under a variety of different sects?
And now you're still accusing me of 'denying an ideological problem'. What did I tell you before? There is a problem, and its called terrorism. Has absolutely nothing to do with Salafism.
A Salafi is someone who does not do Taqleed, i.e does not follow any of the four schools of thought. They follow the Quran and Hadith directly. It has nothing to do with terrorism, unless you are trying to say that the Quran and Hadith are terrorist ideologies and that Prophet Muhammad was a terrorist, in which case you should not be calling yourself a Muslim. I would then proceed to destroy your bigoted and biased arguments like I have done to every non-Muslim that says similar things, because you are just as mistaken as them.
The figure 99% does not come from any news report, it's coming out of one of your sectarian Mullahs.
Salafism doesn't believe it can conquer the world through bloodshed. It doesn't 'believe' anything. It is not a sentient entity.
The only difference between Salafis and most other sects is that Salafis interpret the Quran and Hadith while Muqallids interpret the interpretations of Quran and Hadith.
Everything you have said here is nothing more than sectarian bigotry and is in no way productive for Pakistan or the world. It is destructive, more destructive than Wahabism or Salafism ever was.