Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[Prometheus]

Then I can't trust you; you can't seriously disbelieve Musharraf when he says something you already know is right (like the sun rising from the East), and yet you claim you would disbelieve him. If you can't admit your obvious overstatements, how can I believe what you say?

Musharraf admits he has made lots of mistakes, and clearly states what he regrets doing.
I have found him to be very straightforward and truthful in his intentions. Since he is an expert in this area, I believe him when he says that TTP is backed by India's RAW.

ok theek hai ........blame everything on India .

but , I wish people see the wrong in themselves first then look outside ....if someones house is in order , there is no way that any outsider can exploit it . I dont know about TTP or any other organisation getting support from RAW ( a useless organisation ) .......but I know this that blaming India only and not doing anything to prevent spread of extremism , wont help.

In India , as a child .....school books teaches us about all religion figures .............even in a supposedly a "HINDU" nation .....we had a lesson on "How Guru Teg Bahadur sacrificed for Hindus" ......and many other incidents are added to just implant seeds of tolerance towards all....

well then its just evil India ......blame all on it .....wont solve a thing.

RIP to little ones ...... #IndiaWithPakistan

 

[HughSlaman]

That's the whole problem. You don't understand things. According to your own logic you're an Indian agent too.

Help me understand things, then, since I am willing to learn.
Please help me to understand how, by my own logic, I am an Indian agent.

 

[Selous]

Socialism, black skin, being Irish or an atheist isn't an underlying ideology which have their own scriptures, history and norms. Socialism is a system, not a religion like Islam. Systems are man made and can be changed. Islam on the other hand is considered to be God sent, which cannot be changed or questioned. Now I can be a liberal socialist or a communist capitalist, and such things exist today.

Why justify what Muslims do by comparing it to other problems that happened decades ago? Why can't you tackle the issue head-on rather than absolving Islam of any issues?

Racism in South Africa was actually justified by the NP and their affiliated Dutch Reformist churches by using the Bible.

 

[Killswitch]

If this doesn't get the Pakistani Military to wipe out ALL terror groups operating in their country (and not just the "bad" ones), I don't know what will.


Rest in peace to the innocent children and troops who died trying to save them.

 

[boke]

这是一个非常令人悲伤的消息，恐怖分子是不能用任何理由去原谅的，他们只有被消灭掉才是对国家对社会最大的贡献！希望巴基斯坦朋友能够从悲痛中吸取教训，重整力量，剿灭国内所有恐怖势力！

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I think we came at an impasse, You and I can do debates in circles whether to take Musharraf statement about Indian covert activities as fact or as his wild imagination. To keep the sanctity of this thread entact, let's agree to disagree.

P.S. Does people integrity matter as well when Indian media wildly accuses Pakistan after each attack on it's soil ?

just accept that the indians hate Musharraf for a reason...the fact that they despise him so much and act butt-hurt means he did something right

we shouldnt even be discussing politics here.....we should be talking about what civilians in Pakistan can do to help monitor and report terrorist activity

so that these ****-headed cannibal sub-human scum bags cant strike again....their plans be thwarted

paying homage and respects to the nearly 140 people who lost their lives in a city that I hold very dear

 

[HughSlaman]

ok theek hai ........blame everything on India .

That's not what I am saying.
India and Pakistan engage in proxy wars on each other's soils.
We know TTP has been backed by India's intelligence agencies to be a proxy for them.

 

[batmannow]

Ok if thats the case then u should know that he is out of the picture for abt 7 years now. After him Gen kayani came and now is Gen Sharif and in gov it was Zardari who came in a democratically elected way and so is now Nawaz Sharif who came in the same way. So now still being struck with Mushy?

Regarding rest well ok but understand we are pakistani so we may or may not be interested in yr internal affairs. I frankly dont know what Sangh Parivar is. What that stands for or what does it preaches im almost illiterate as a pakistani on yr internal things and frankly im not interested on that either because being a pakistani my interests are with things related to us not yr internal battles for secularism or radicals.

But all that being said, it would concern me if these radicals have their influence on yr bureaucracy in yr both military and civil because these guys then will influence the bilateral country to country basis relations with us. Look i dont care abt the Indian Muslims or anyothers since im a Kashmiri and i dont have any soft corner for indian muslims living in yr main land yr and any ancestry issue or ink in yr main land. In this context the only thing i have is with the Kashmir Valley thats all. Nothing more then that.

So my POV might be different regarding yr country since its just based on country to country level approach and Kashmir. I dont have a soft spot for Muslims there, ancestry connection or race connectivity. So as a Pakistani without anyother thing in my mind the only thing which concern people like me here is this increased influence of radicals in yr bureaucracy.

Musharaf did the same thing what rah eel Shb is doing now ?
Kiyani was the coward , fearing the backlash kept smoking his K-2 filter less cigrets !
Poison kills poison?
Iron cuts iron ?
So its simple , to hit these bastrdds in Afghanistan now , its loud & clear ?

 

[Prometheus]

That's not what I am saying.
India and Pakistan engage in proxy wars on each other's soils.
We know TTP has been backed by India's intelligence agencies to be a proxy for them.

no what benefit will India get by killing babies???

 

[forcetrip]

Being a Wahabi, I find it distasteful of Pakistanis and others to associate these savages to Wahabis, let alone Islam. They are not Muslim.

You are now an american wahabi muslim. Which is no diferrent than any american shia or sunni muslim. I am generalizing but trust me your wahabi brothers in south east asia only want your charity $'s, they would consider anything coming out of your mouth as rubbish when it comes to showing religious tolerance.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Even 4 are more. Shame on you for giving me a negative rating. You Indians have gone bonkered and become totally intolerant towards anybody who happens to disagree with your versions of things. @Horus @WebMaster - This negative rating needs to be reversed.

Your shameless involvement in Pakistani matters in 1971 is enough for us to believe that you are still meddling in our matters.

Even 4 are more is an opinion; nothing wrong with that. Your silly statement earlier was a careless if not mendacious distortion, and deserved a negative rating. That is not my version, it is hard, cold verifiable fact.

Your emotion is understandable; no doubt you would like to continue to make statements without being pulled up for them.

Regarding your belief that involvement in 1971 means that we are still meddling in your affairs, that is nothing but the revanchism that afflicts wide swathes of opinion in your country. Try to get rid of it.

 

[Rajput Warrior]

If this doesn't get the Pakistani Military to wipe out ALL terror groups operating in their country (and not just the "bad" ones), I don't know what will.


Rest in peace to the innocent children and troops who died trying to save them.

Hasn't the COAS clearly stated that the operation is against ALL TERRORIRISTS? Including haqqanis who are being targeted ? Do you have to send every indian a memo ? Why do you always have to talk nonsense like this even in a thread like theks? Is it hard to say RIP n move on ? Or just not post if you don't have anything positive ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Also , we need to think about the motive behind that horrified incident ?
Why they did at the time when , even the afghan govt & Americans were ready to take them out?
It iriks whom?
Who is trying to establish , larger relationship with the masters of these dogs ?
Who is supporting them more then any one in Afghanistan ?
I guess , the answer is RAW ?

It may be wiser for you to try a few more guesses.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Other than these Talib child-murderers are there many other Pakistanis who consider Hitler an inspiring role model?

Not just taliban yr Israeli establishment is also a very big fan of his and his doings. Where were u in August?“Netanyahu’s is mad and he can not be cured,” said his psychiatrist and committed suicide

 

[HughSlaman]

It is important that you understand, and wish to make this statement before taking your good advice to leave the subject out of this thread.

I disbelieve Musharraf, and I believe that Pakistani accusations of Indian covert activities are highly exaggerated. I believe that there were actions taken, perhaps not known to Pakistanis in general, and to few Indians, which indicate clearly that such covert activities, which did exist more than a decade ago, no longer exist. Further, I believe that no Pakistani has even a superficial idea of the singularly ineffective ways in which Indian intelligence agencies operate. You compare them with your own, and come to wholly wrong conclusions, and understandably so. Note that I object to mis-statements of fact, not to opinions, for which I cut people a lot of slack.

And, regarding Indian media, I wholly agree with you about its unreliability and want to record that I put no credence on what they say, do or seem to think.

You are entitled to your beliefs, just as others are entitled to theirs.
We happen to know that TTP has been backed by India's intelligence agencies. We trust Musharraf on that point, along with other Pakistani military experts.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Also , we need to think about the motive behind that horrified incident ?
Why they did at the time when , even the afghan govt & Americans were ready to take them out?
It iriks whom?
Who is trying to establish , larger relationship with the masters of these dogs ?
Who is supporting them more then any one in Afghanistan ?
I guess , the answer is RAW ?

everyone knows that RAW supports BLA, TTP and these other groups which are very deliberately targetting soft and mil targets in Pakistan

its a hostile neighbour; but the onus lies on us to thwart these plans and counter them.....any mullah that talks against the Pakistani state must disappear; any madrassa or organization making propaganda that tells people they go to jannat for mass murder needs to be exposed, shut down

the nation needs to support the military as it combats these anti state groups......putting pressure also on neighbouring countries to stop harboring our enemies

as i said - theres the internal and external factor....both cant be taken lightly