Pervez Hoodbhoy's Secular Delusion

[Psychic]

Poor guy would've had his head off in today's world. Same with Islamic philosophers like Ibn-e-Arabi.

That's how restricted and backward we have become.

Like the religious scholars who were jailed, killed and flogged by mutazilites for merely disagreeing with their opinion?
Why claim moral high ground then?


Besides, what was his scientific calculation which made him come to that conclusion? Mistranslated Greek philosophy?

His canon is also superseded by germ theory, means he was wrong about many of his scientific claims of his as well. Go and worship him instead of following Quran and Sunnah if that is what you want.

 

[Lincoln]

No I don't actually. I follow the Quran and Sunnah which are in fact compatible with and complete science.

Science itself is uncertain and ever changing, this is why you can't establish morality with science because science cannot justify morality.

Sadly, none of the Quran or Sunnah can be rigorously proven. That's why it is a matter of belief.

Secondly, that's simply how science is supposed to be. Things proven again and again, will still be allowable to change if a better theory with evidence is put through. But 99.99% is a pretty good percentage. How uncertain does gravity seem to you, did you try any experiment?

 

[Iltutmish]

Science itself is uncertain and ever changing, this is why you can't establish morality with science because science cannot justify morality.

We had a University professor claiming that according to science commiting adultery every once in a while can save a failing marriage. Thank you science!

Btw. I have a degree in Computer Science (B. Sc.) from a big German university and right now I am enrolled in a MBA program from a even bigger German university that costs 10.000s of Euros. Who wants to kiss my ring finger?

 

[Psychic]

You're simply insecure.

have read more books on the Golden period of Science and Islam than you have read regarding any and all topics combined.

It is you who are insecure. Insecure enough to blindly accept all the garbage thrown at you by the West.

 

[Desert Fox]

Unlike religious books, science journals actually detail the experiments and are REPRODUCEABLE, open to criticique from thousands of other scientists, jot down every single detail, result and methodology, and provide even mathematical proofs.

They are reproduceable yet you have to believe some guy in a lab coat who's theories are bound to change when another guy in a lab coat comes along down the years.

Whereas belief in a higher Creator comes naturally to millions, in fact billions of people, and that is enough proof that religion and belief in God is logical and universal and doesn't require a secular mullah in lab coat to make claims he himself is uncertain of

 

[Lincoln]

Like the religious scholars who were jailed, killed and flogged by mutazilites for merely disagreeing with their opinion?
Why claim moral high ground then?


Besides, what was his scientific calculation which made him come to that conclusion? Mistranslated Greek philosophy?

His canon is also superseded by germ theory, means he was wrong about many of his scientific claims of his as well. Go and worship him instead of following Quran and Sunnah if that is what you want.

They were a lot more smarter than any ulema today save a few gems.

And how can I trust scholars in today's world who agree to killing anyone and jailing anyone for their offset opinions. To me, they're reading scripts.

It is you who are insecure. Insecure enough to blindly accept all the garbage thrown at you by the West.

Sorry for making you feel that I am spreading "intellectual superiority." lol

 

[El Sidd]

Who wants to kiss my ring finger?

Scientologists

 

[Lincoln]

They are reproduceable yet you have to believe some guy in a lab coat who's theories are bound to change when another guy in a lab coat comes along down the years.

Whereas belief in a higher Creator comes naturally to millions, in fact billions of people, and that is enough proof that religion and belief in God is logical and universal and doesn't require a secular mullah in lab coat to make claims he himself is uncertain of

Yes, I am sure that 7 heavens can be proved, and that the splitting of the moon is reproduceable, and that it can be proven that shooting stars or meteors in the sky are actually chasing Jinn.

But gravity, lmao, UNCERTAINTY ALERT.

They are reproduceable yet you have to believe some guy in a lab coat who's theories are bound to change when another guy in a lab coat comes along down the years.

Whereas belief in a higher Creator comes naturally to millions, in fact billions of people, and that is enough proof that religion and belief in God is logical and universal and doesn't require a secular mullah in lab coat to make claims he himself is uncertain of

Over a billion also believe in more than one god. I guess that too is natural and universal.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes, I am sure that 7 heavens can be proved, and that the splitting of the moon is reproduceable, and that it can be proven that shooting stars or meteors in the sky are actually chasing Jinn.

But gravity, lmao, UNCERTAINTY ALERT.



Over a billion also believe in more than one god. I guess that too is natural and universal.

Whose asking for these proofs if i may ask?

 

[Lincoln]

Whose asking for these proofs if i may ask?

A person here is saying that science is just a matter of belief, and another religion. So then let him show that if it's true. Let him show that things claimed in religion can be redone like experiments produced in science.

Whose asking for these proofs if i may ask?

Before I get banned, I knew it was bait, and I don't give to flying ****s. Happy to throw it in his face.

 

[Desert Fox]

Sadly, none of the Quran or Sunnah can be rigorously proven. That's why it is a matter of belief.

So you're a believer of the atheist religion? Thanks for coming out the closet and showing your true colors.

And yes, Quran and Sunnah can be proven, simply by observing the nature; from the smallest leaf to the most complex intelligent organism, ie the human. Only the most Intelligent Being could create such complex creatures. This is why religion and belief in a Almighty Creator comes natural to billions of people worldwide, whereas your fake Atheism has to be taught by mullahs in lab coats

Secondly, that's simply how science is supposed to be. Things proven again and again, will still be allowable to change if a better theory with evidence is put through. But 99.99% is a pretty good percentage. How uncertain does gravity seem to you, did you try any experiment?

Than you cannot build morality or a world order on something that is inconsistent and uncertain. This should be common sense, something you libturds seem to be lacking.

No wonder stalin and Lenin massacred millions; atheist cannot create morality in science.

 

[Psychic]

They were a lot more smarter than any ulema today save a few gems.

Like Ahmad bin Hanbal who was flogged by Mamun's brother Mustehsam at the behest of Mutazilites. Yes they were gems who refused to bow infront of psuedo scientists high on mistranslated Greek philosophy kool-aid.

And how can I trust scholars in today's world who agree to killing anyone and jailing anyone for their offset opinions.

So, that doesn't apply to Mamun and his band of mutazilah?

Doesn't that also apply to the idol of seculars Atta Turk?

As I said, seculars cannot claim moral high ground in this regard.

To me, they're reading scripts.

And mutazila came to their conclusions about Quran by conducting lab experiments?

 

[El Sidd]

A person here is saying that science is just a matter of belief, and another religion. So then let him show that if it's true. Let him show that things claimed in religion can be redone like experiments produced in science.

When has any scientific experiment ever ended any argument? It usually ends by starting a new argument.

Why do scientists call a particle which they cannot explain as God particle?

Before I get banned,

Why are you so insecure?

 

[Lincoln]

So you're a believer of the atheist religion? Thanks for coming out the closet and showing your true colors.

And yes, Quran and Sunnah can be proven, simply by observing the nature; from the smallest leaf to the most complex intelligent organism, ie the human. Only the most intelligent Being could create such complex creatures. This is why religion and belief in a Almighty Creator comes natural to billions of people worldwide, whereas your fake Atheism has to be taught by mullahs in lab coats


Than you cannot build morality or a world order on something that is inconsistent and uncertain. This should be common sense, something you libturds seem to be lacking.

No wonder stalin and Lenin massacred millions; atheist cannot create morality in science.

Not an atheist.

1. And if you can't build morality around something inconsistent, then how can you build machines and technology which saves hundreds of thousands of lives each year around the same ideas?

2. Political systems are not built on science, the current ones are there to allow critical thinking and progressiveness, and their credibility has been proven with time because these systems have been successful in most countries, while theocratic systems that repress science and promote religious extremism have proven to fail in ALL countries.

3. Okay, I can see intelligent design in nature. But how do I know which God made it? Was it your God, my God, was it more than 1 God?

 

[Pogical Thinking]

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