Perhaps India should Look for Ways it can be a Part of CPEC

[war&peace]

There is more chance of the Eskimos & Zulus joining CPEC than india.

And Eskimos and Zulus are far more civilised than our eastern neighbours.

 

[Wen Ling]

I seriously think Pakistanis need to take a look at the maps of India, China and their beloved Pakistan itself.

Even ignoring the disputed nature of the territories that CPEC passes through, India doesn't need CPEC to trade with either China or Pakistan itself - simply because it shares thousands of miles of borders with either of the countries directly. In fact, India already has 3 border trading posts with China which are much more motorable land routes.

The only thing that India would be interested is if Pakistan was willing to give India a transit access to Afghanistan. But Pakistan already made it clear that it wouldn't. So how can India even look to be part of CPEC?

Unless, of course, your intention is to lend legitimacy for your claims to the part of Kashmir that you occupied by letting India be an honorary member. Lol.

The trust always need to build slowly, how can you directly ask for favors on the most important bargain chip? India is bigger part, it should initiate something first, IPI would be good start.
It is like India directly ask Chinese to support their bid on UN security council. Does India understand that is most important bargain chip that China has? what India want to trade it for? How can China trust India?
The same logic applies to Pakistan's position on CPEC. Trust has to be built slowly. China did that with Russia for over 40 years. Now China and Russia only discusses cooperation, no obstacle is there!

Indian neither claimed nor wants Pakistan to be part of India. Your post is quiet amusing..

That is because you quote Taiwan.

 

[dadeechi]

That is because you quote Taiwan.

Your analogy does not make any sense as PRC claims Taiwan while India does not claim Pakistan.

 

[Wen Ling]

Your analogy does not make any sense as PRC claims Taiwan while India does not claim Pakistan.

So India has to live with Pakistan for a long long time, then What is India's long term plan? Keep the tension for ever?

 

[django]

People give too much importance for themselves.

When the time comes for the peace between India & Pakistan this type of bravado is bound to be vanish into thin air.

Only the best part of 200 million feel this way.

 

[dadeechi]

Only the best part of 200 million feel this way.

As I said people give too much importance for themselves and sometimes speak on behalf of 200 million...No mandate required. That's the beauty of Internet forums...

So India has to live with Pakistan for a long long time, then What is India's long term plan? Keep the tension for ever?

Tensions are bound to remain as long as Pakistan keeps supporting terrorism against India in the hope of grabbing Kashmir from India.

 

[django]

Sir actually our people are sheeple...they have 128 kbit memories and that too volatile ones... or some of them are just fools ... India did not accept the existence of Pakistan from day one of its creation and Hindu can't get past that even if the Kashmir issue gets solved, that basic obsession in their genes will keep causing problems for both the nations. The best way is to end all sorts of relations, build 10 m high concrete wall all along the border except LOC, closed down Wagah call our ambassadors home and throw theirs out...total no communication, block all sorts of transmissions. Just focus on our relations with China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan (disinfected), Middle East, Europe, Far East, Africa...I mean the world is too big...just neglect them but keep your guns and missile pointed and ready to fire in case of any escalation for eastern side. Through China we can access far east.. Put india into its right spot.

I TOTALLY AGREE we do not need them, nor do we want anything from them (No IOK is not theirs to give), if you look at their security establishment their line of thinking is that for Hindia to thrive Pakistan must cease to exist, to achieve this they will use covert methods as overtly they know that inevitably New Delhi and Mumbia will experience temperatures that exceed those at the centre of our local star, they are deliberately being belligerent when it comes to CPEC claiming that it goes through GB which is an integral part of Hindia LOL and that a Chinese presence in Gwadar is a strategic threat so it is imperative that they do all they can to stop CPEC yet simultaneously they have the audacity to blame us for instigating every insurgency in their artificial bogus nation, in conclusion if anyone believes we can have peace with Hindia, then that person is living in "cuckoo land".Kudos

As I said people give too much importance for themselves and sometimes speak on behalf of 200 million...No mandate required. That's the beauty of Internet forums...



Tensions are bound to remain as long as Pakistan keeps supporting terrorism against India in the hope of grabbing Kashmir from India.

All parties participating in national elections with the exception of MQM have a hardline against Hindia ,some more than others, it is these very parties that obtain the votes of 95% of the electorate, so I guess you understand the mood in regards to Hindia and too sum it up Mr dadeechi do not tell us the dynamics of our society, we know our nation better than you may think you know it.Kudos

 

[kadamba-warrior]

The trust always need to build slowly, how can you directly ask for favors on the most important bargain chip? India is bigger part, it should initiate something first, IPI would be good start.
It is like India directly ask Chinese to support their bid on UN security council. Does India understand that is most important bargain chip that China has? what India want to trade it for? How can China trust India?
The same logic applies to Pakistan's position on CPEC. Trust has to be built slowly. China did that with Russia for over 40 years. Now China and Russia only discusses cooperation, no obstacle is there!

You can always count on the wise Chinese on PDF to preach others about TRUST. Is that some kind of a kinky ritual that you guys do to your tiny neighbors just before you build artificial islands around them overnight?

Providing transit access to Afghanistan is the most important bargain chip for Pakistan? How? I know that India will NOT collapse tomorrow if we don't trade with Afghanistan, but we don't want to pass up an opportunity to call out Pakistan for obstructing relief/development efforts in war-torn Afghanistan.

Talking about bargaining chips, the only important bargaining chip that Pakistan holds is the terrorists that regularly attack India - aka the non-state actors, the same the ones that you safeguard in the UN with your veto.

The OP and many others like him, in their enthusiasm to celebrate CPEC and CPEC's contribution to mankind, want to make India a party to it - not realizing that India neither needs it nor wants to legitimize it by agreeing to be a party to it.

So stick to the topic if you can!

 

[dadeechi]

All parties participating in national elections with the exception of MQM have a hardline against Hindia ,some more than others, it is these very parties that obtain the votes of 95% of the electorate, so I guess you understand the mood in regards to Hindia and too sum it up Mr dadeechi do not tell us the dynamics of our society, we know our nation better than you may think you know it.Kudos

NS won mandate on the plank to establish peace with India.

 

[django]

NS won mandate on the plank to establish peace with India.

Yet what did he get from Hindia, increased violence from across the LOC, Yadav .............all undermining him and corroborating the fact that Hindia (sons of ganges) still has deep wounds due to 1000 year old Muslim rule.

 

[Wen Ling]

You can always count on the wise Chinese on PDF to preach others about TRUST. Is that some kind of a kinky ritual that you guys do to your tiny neighbors just before you build artificial islands around them overnight?

Providing transit access to Afghanistan is the most important bargain chip for Pakistan? How? I know that India will NOT collapse tomorrow if we don't trade with Afghanistan, but we don't want to pass up an opportunity to call out Pakistan for obstructing relief/development efforts in war-torn Afghanistan.

Talking about bargaining chips, the only important bargaining chip that Pakistan holds is the terrorists that regularly attack India - aka the non-state actors, the same the ones that you safeguard in the UN with your veto.

The OP and many others like him, in their enthusiasm to celebrate CPEC and CPEC's contribution to mankind, want to make India a party to it - not realizing that India neither needs it nor wants to legitimize it by agreeing to be a party to it.

So stick to the topic if you can!

If you talk about SCS, we can refer you to disappear of Sikkim, so...
If you think India does not need to cool down the tension with Pakistan, then good luck...

 

[dadeechi]

Yet what did he get from Hindia, increased violence from across the LOC, Yadav .............all undermining him and corroborating the fact that Hindia (sons of ganges) still has deep wounds due to 1000 year old Muslim rule.

NS could have carried out the mandate he received had his mandate not been scuttled with the Soft coup by the establishment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...st-happen-in-pakistan/?utm_term=.acbbabef5460

 

[war&peace]

NS won mandate on the plank to establish peace with India.

No that's not true either...It is true that he has a soft corner for India but that's not what people voted him in for.
Furthermore, that election was heavily rigged otherwise there was no chance for him to get elected.

 

[dadeechi]

No that's not true either...It is true that he has a soft corner for India but that's not what people voted him in for.
Furthermore, that election was heavily rigged otherwise there was no chance for him to get elected.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sharifs-win-sparks-hope-pakistan-india-ties

 

[django]

NS could have carried out the mandate he received had his mandate not been scuttled with the Soft coup by the establishment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...st-happen-in-pakistan/?utm_term=.acbbabef5460

Impossible to carry out peace talks with Hindia as the security establishment ie Doval and co want to split up Pakistan as it is in your strategic interests.Kudos