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[Srinivas]

aww, looks like some has hurt feeling because we don't want to be in their club anymore.

Seriously man, get off this silly mentality.
If you go back far enough every human civilization has converted from one religion to another.
You Hindus also converted from shamanism (where you worshiped trees and stuff) to Hinduism and everything in between.
The people of Pakistan are proud of their heritage, we are proud of the IVC and we are proud that our fore fathers got enlightened and chose Islam. This is what separates us from Indians.

Did i said embarcing islam is wrong?
pakistanis always down played Hindu and buddist cultures and now the same people are proud os IVC and buddhist structures. Is it a dilema or you want japan as a friend?

 

[MadDog]

Why are you so proud of Ghandara which is in Afganistan and IVC whose culture is similar to dravidian. You embraced Islam and destroyed all the ancient culture in your country and today pakistanis are proud to be the decendents of Arabs and cental asian tibes (even though majority are subcontinent people who are converts). Pakistanis are now radicalizing their country and now the new trend is Wahabism with radical islam. I don't see in the near future your government will take care of these ancient civilizations which are related to Hindu and buddist cultures.

@ Sukhoi 30 MKI....dude you got to be crazy to believe that Gandhara was Afganistan's civilization. It was based in Potohar region of Punjab, western parts of Azad Kashmir and only some part of eastern and south afghanistan were included. Atleast check historical facts before commenting on this forum.....no wonder why all indian defence forums online are filled with baseless crap. Read here Gandhara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Incase you wanna know about Potohar region of Northern Punjab Pothohar Plateau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MadDog]

@bajwajatt19844


Dude it wasn't Pakistani Aryans....Pakistan is a name of a region...i.e (as mentioned in Now or Never journal of Ch Rehmat Ali published in London in 1930's)...Punjab, Afghania (old name of KPK province), Kashmir, Sindh, baluchisTAN. All these regions collectively are known as Pakistan and if you go back in history these regions were where the Aryans came and settled, that is why i say other than Indian part of Kashmir and Punjab ...95 % of the Indians are of Dravidian ancestry.
As far as your screwed up question is concerned, which depicts a typical indian mentality, Muslim families do marriages irrespective of ethnicity and ethnic background isn't that big of an issue, unlike in your country where untouchables ( 200 million of them) are kept away from cities and forced to eat rats and they can never ever in a million years marry someone from the upper caste.
Hope this helps you understand what i said.
Regards

 

[Tshering22]

And Buddhism came to India via Nepal :

Nepal and Buddhism | Nepal, Birthplace of Buddha | :::Nepal|Buddha Pavilion Official Website:::

Do you even know this region's history or is it your inherent nature to trash every thread? Nepal came into being only 5 centuries ago as a separate nation under king Prithvi Narayan Vir Vikram Shah Dev. Before that, entire Nepal region formed a part of 15 Mahajanapadas for thousands of years with chiefdoms.


IMPORTANT INFO: Gautama Siddharatha (the Buddha) was born in Lumbini in a kingdom that included today's Bihar state and Jharkhand region; He attained enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, one of our most revered pilgrimage places

Now go and fool your local public with stupid botched up history that ignoramus political opportunists in Nepal cry to gain cheap publicity (All of these so-called "ultra" nationalists have second homes and education in India and are always seen in our region).

Too bad you couldn't get through this. You don't fool a Sikkimese member with our own knowledge.

Seriously man, get off this silly mentality.
If you go back far enough every human civilization has converted from one religion to another.

WRONG. It has always been forced and conquered to give up its indigenous way of life.

Zoroastrians, Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrians, Mesopotamians and you; all of you share this trait without your intentional will to ignore it.

Trying to run away from it, won't do you any good.

You Hindus also converted from shamanism (where you worshiped trees and stuff) to Hinduism and everything in between.

Your countrymen are so ignorant about mainstream Hinduism? This shows what absence of local faith can do in any country.
FYI there is no timeline for mainstream Hindu dharma. There's no such thing as "shamanism" as colonial writers wrote in their stupid journals here. Hinduism existed for thousands and thousands of years and even the most ardent non-Hindu will admit it.

The people of Pakistan are proud of their heritage, we are proud of the IVC and we are proud that our fore fathers got enlightened and chose Islam. This is what separates us from Indians.

Your ignorance and false confidence is saddening to me as a Buddhist.

 

[Kesang]

LOL I knew Indian would take away Nepalese credit.

Off coarse. He born in Nepal but as Siddhartha but he receive all his knowledge in gaya( bihar ) and became Buddha. I know that you won't understand that.

Under this tree.

 

[Tshering22]

You have problem with us embracing Islam? Why don't you go tell the japanese why ythey left paganism and became buddhist etC?

Not really. Japanese society is still majority Shinto. It is their unofficial state religion and they have a syncretic path of beliefs.
Unlike you, they did not exterminate Buddhism and not entire Japan is Buddhist. And we Buddhists have no problem with the amazing way in which they synched both the philosophies.

I have visited Itsukushima Shinto temple in Japan with no problems at all and have also visited Buddhist temples of Benzaitensama (Saraswati for Hindus) and Daikoku (Shiva for Hindus). That's the beauty of ancient philosophies; no extermination unlike organized religions.

Nope, much of northern india was part of nepal, untl the british came
Besides, the world existed long before buddhism

Are you really filled with so much rubbish or is it just that you hate India?

Off coarse. He born in Nepal but as Siddhartha but he receive all his knowledge in gaya( bihar ) and became Buddha. I know that you won't understand that.

Don't waste your time teaching him Buddhism. Even the Enlightened Ones have said not to teach those who are unwilling to understand.

 

[Rusty]

Did i said embarcing islam is wrong?
pakistanis always down played Hindu and buddist cultures and now the same people are proud os IVC and buddhist structures. Is it a dilema or you want japan as a friend?

Are you saying that we cannot be proud of our own history?
The Europeans are really proud of the Romans and Greeks, even thought they were pagans.
The Persians are really proud of their history as well.
And we are really proud of our history.
Just because we don't believe the same thing anymore does not mean we can't be proud of it.

Many Hindus have such close minds when it come to this kind of stuff.
They seem to think that only a Hindu can be proud of Hindu History.

 

[Rusty]

WRONG. It has always been forced and conquered to give up its indigenous way of life.

Zoroastrians, Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrians, Mesopotamians and you; all of you share this trait without your intentional will to ignore it.

Trying to run away from it, won't do you any good.



Your countrymen are so ignorant about mainstream Hinduism? This shows what absence of local faith can do in any country.
FYI there is no timeline for mainstream Hindu dharma. There's no such thing as "shamanism" as colonial writers wrote in their stupid journals here. Hinduism existed for thousands and thousands of years and even the most ardent non-Hindu will admit it.



Your ignorance and false confidence is saddening to me as a Buddhist.

What?
You talk about reading history then you say silly stuff like this.

Ok lets say you are right and that all religions were forced on people, then why are you stopping at only those, why don't you include Hinduism and Buddhism in that as well?
Espcially in China/Japan. By your very argument you MUST agree that Buddhism was forced on to the people of China and Japan.
And it is hard to run away from made up history, so I wont even try

"absence of local faith"
explain that please, especially the "local" part.
what difference does it make if a faith is local or not?

It is clear to everyone by this and other posts that you have made that you are part of the extreme end of Buddhism.
the end that refuses to accept logic and reason and embraces cheap slogans instead.
So I am not expecting you to understand what I am going to say.
But I will say it any ways in hopes of enlightening more open minded people.

Hinduism has a time line, if it didn't then it would exist.
In that timeline Hinduism had a beginning, and that beginning was at one local area (north west India)
Hinduism then spread to the rest of India.
While it spread, it overtook local beliefs and either assimilated them or discarded them.

Buddhism did the same, except Buddhism is even more like an Abraham religion because it has a founder, it has proselytizers, and it eventually gains power as a state religion.
So please don't act like your poo poo does not stink, because it clearly does.


And I could say the same about your ignorance.
But the reality is that our ancestors made a choice to embrace something they thought was better.
And you people cannot come to grips with this. So you make up fake history and try to justify why anyone would leave your religion.

So kindly stop doing this and focus more on your own religion.
As the Quran says, To you be your religion and me be mine.

 

[Tshering22]

What?
You talk about reading history then you say silly stuff like this.

Ok lets say you are right and that all religions were forced on people, then why are you stopping at only those, why don't you include Hinduism and Buddhism in that as well?Espcially in China/Japan. By your very argument you MUST agree that Buddhism was forced on to the people of China and Japan.

Because "force" and "Dharma" don't really go together and all non-dharmic (Barring Pakistanis) would agree that. It means that a Buddhist would be called an "extremist" if he's given up every single material or human desire and renounced the worldly wishes to search for enlightenment in austerities.

So do understand the difference.

"absence of local faith"
explain that please, especially the "local" part.
what difference does it make if a faith is local or not?

Because if it is not local it becomes cultural colonialism like how it has become in your case.

It is clear to everyone by this and other posts that you have made that you are part of the extreme end of Buddhism.

Read my first response for this. I knew you would mention something like this.

But I will say it any ways in hopes of enlightening more open minded people.

Hinduism has a time line, if it didn't then it would exist. In that timeline Hinduism had a beginning, and that beginning was at one local area (north west India)Hinduism then spread to the rest of India.
While it spread, it overtook local beliefs and either assimilated them or discarded them.

Don't embarrass yourself kid. Seriously, it will get you nowhere.

Buddhism did the same, except Buddhism is even more like an Abraham religion because it has a founder, it has proselytizers, and it eventually gains power as a state religion.

you serious!!?

We're nothing like you. And there was no "founder". Gautama Siddharatha continued on the path of enlightenment like the many sants and Gurus that did before Him and after Him.

Do you even know the meaning of the word 'Buddha'? It means "Enlightened" in Sanskrit.

There have been many Buddhas but Guatama Siddhartha had the most profound influence.

Gautama Siddharatha conveyed His teachings in a more candid manner for the benefit of people due to excess violence and greed among warring kings in those days.

Our monks aren't allowed to carry weapons, maintain armies and initiate combat. That's the core of our principle.

What you see as "state religion" in Bhutan is the mandate of the King. Not any monastery's mandates.

If you're talking about Southeast, then you really need to see what form it is practised there before commenting about the region. There's Buddhism and mainstream Hinduism in a fusion; just like how it actually was centuries ago.

If you're talking about Mongolia, the overwhelming majority just happen to be Buddhists (97%) via influence from Chinese monasteries.

As the Quran says, To you be your religion and me be mine.

You lot clearly don't seem to be implementing your teachings then.