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Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’
By David Axe

JULY 14, 2014
  • Americans should be worried.

    The U.S. military has grounded all its new F-35 Joint Strike Fighters following an incident on June 23, when one of the high-tech warplanes caught fire on the runway of a Florida air base. The no-fly order — which affects at least 50 F-35s at training and test bases in Florida, Arizona, California and Maryland — began on the evening of July 3 and continued through July 11.

    All those F-35s sitting idle could be a preview of a future in which potentially thousands of the Pentagon’s warplanes can’t reliably fly.

    To be fair, the Pentagon routinely grounds warplanes on a temporary basis following accidents and malfunctions to buy investigators time to identify problems and to give engineers time to fix them.

    But there’s real reason to worry. The June incident might reflect serious design flaws that could render the F-35 unsuitable for combat.

    For starters, the Lockheed Martin-built F-35 — which can avoid sensor detection thanks to its special shape and coating — simplydoesn’t work very well. The Pentagon has had to temporarily ground F-35s no fewer than 13 times since 2007, mostly due to problems with the plane’s Pratt & Whitney-made F135 engine, in particular, with the engines’ turbine blades. The stand-downs lasted at most a few weeks.

    “The repeated problems with the same part of the engine may be indications of a serious design and structural problem with the F135 engine,” said Johan Boeder, a Dutch aerospace expert and editor of the online publication JSF News.

    Pratt & Whitney has already totally redesigned the F135 in an attempt to end its history of frequent failures. But there’s only so much engineers can do. In a controversial move during the early stages of the F-35′s development, the Pentagon decided to fit the plane with one engine instead of two. Sticking with one motor can help keep down the price of a new plane. But in the F-35′s case, the decision proved self-defeating.

    That’s because the F-35 is complex — the result of the Air Force, Marines and Navy all adding features to the basic design. In airplane design, such complexity equals weight. The F-35 is extraordinarily heavy for a single-engine plane, weighing as much as 35 tons with a full load of fuel.

    By comparison, the older F-15 fighter weighs 40 tons. But it has two engines. To remain reasonably fast and maneuverable, the F-35′s sole F135 engine must generate no less than 20 tons of thrust — making it history’s most powerful fighter motor.

    All that thrust results in extreme levels of stress on engine components. It’s no surprise, then, that the F-35 frequently suffers engine malfunctions. Even with that 20 tons of thrust, the new radar-dodging plane is still sluggish. The F-35 “is a dog … overweight and underpowered,” according to Winslow Wheeler, director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Project on Government Oversight in Washington.

    In 2008, two analysts at the RAND Corporation, a California think-tank that works closely with the military, programmed a computer simulation to test out the F-35′s fighting ability in a hypothetical air war with China. The results were startling.

    “The F-35 is double-inferior,” John Stillion and Harold Scott Perdue concluded in their written summary of the war game, later leaked to the press. The new plane “can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run,” they warned.

    Yet the F-35 is on track to become by far the military’s most numerous warplane. It was designed to replace almost all current fighters in the Air Force and Marine Corps and complement the Navy’s existing F/A-18 jets. The Pentagon plans to acquire roughly 2,400 of the radar-evading F-35s in coming decades, at a cost of more than $400 billion.

    Like it or not, the stealthy F-35 is the future of U.S. air power. There are few alternatives. Lockheed Martin’s engineers have done millions of man-hours of work on the design since development began in the 1990s. Starting work on a new plane now would force the Defense Department to wait a decade or more, during which other countries might pull ahead in jet design. Russia, China and Japan are all working on new stealth fightermodels.

    The Pentagon sounds guardedly optimistic about the current F-35 grounding. “Additional inspections of F-35 engines have been ordered,” Rear Admiral John Kirby, a military spokeman said, “and return to flight will be determined based on inspection results and analysis of engineering data.”

    Minor fixes might get America’s future warplane flying again soon — for a while. But fundamental design flaws could vex the F-35 for decades to come, forcing the Pentagon to suspend flying far too often for the majority of its fighter fleet, potentially jeopardizing U.S. national security.
 
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One of the most experienced war pilot of F-16 Viper Dan Hampton...

20 years, over 600 combat hours, 151 combat missions, 21 hard kills on surface-to-air missile sites, four Distinguished Flying Crosses with Valor, eight Air Medals with Valor, five Meritorious Service Medals, one Purple Heart. Dan Hampton is one of America's most decorated fighter pilots of modern times.

How do you feel about the F-35 program?
I was with the F-22 for a few years trying to make it an alternative to the F-35. Didn't work. It was never meant to be a multirole fighter. The whole $3B add ons program was for appearances. They wanted me to fudge reports to make it appear more capable than it was - wouldn't do it. I think the F-35 is the way of the future BUT the unit cost is so high that it will never be able to assume all the commitments faced by an air force deployed around the globe. Either the commitments decrease or we keep around a few older aircraft. I believe the F-16 is the real answer for that as it's a real multi-role fighter.

@Oscar @MastanKhan @Munir @Manticore
 
Its better for Asia if US adopts the JSF. Everyone in Asia must worry if the US dusted off the old YF-23 Blackwidow II and put it into production.
 
Turkey should reconsider their plan to buy F-35 in a large quantity. Even, until now, USA is still not allowing South Korea to test real F-35 plane and insist SK to use F-35 simulator instead (even though SK has already decided to buy around 45 planes) :angel:
 
crftxlloephy8ke6s5xb.jpg


One of the most experienced war pilot of F-16 Viper Dan Hampton...

20 years, over 600 combat hours, 151 combat missions, 21 hard kills on surface-to-air missile sites, four Distinguished Flying Crosses with Valor, eight Air Medals with Valor, five Meritorious Service Medals, one Purple Heart. Dan Hampton is one of America's most decorated fighter pilots of modern times.

How do you feel about the F-35 program?
I was with the F-22 for a few years trying to make it an alternative to the F-35. Didn't work. It was never meant to be a multirole fighter. The whole $3B add ons program was for appearances. They wanted me to fudge reports to make it appear more capable than it was - wouldn't do it. I think the F-35 is the way of the future BUT the unit cost is so high that it will never be able to assume all the commitments faced by an air force deployed around the globe. Either the commitments decrease or we keep around a few older aircraft. I believe the F-16 is the real answer for that as it's a real multi-role fighter.

@Oscar @MastanKhan @Munir @Manticore
The dilemma with this F-35 is to find a balance between price and performance, but as in this case the options are duly scarce and discrete I would say in this specific case you can't sacrifice performance for the price, IMO, at the end of the day they have no choice but to go for the dual engines.
 
F-35 is rubbish fighter.

Better for most of the world that the US spends large treasure on this plane.
 
Turkey should reconsider their plan to buy F-35 in a large quantity. Even, until now, USA is still not allowing South Korea to test real F-35 plane and insist SK to use F-35 simulator instead (even though SK has already decided to buy around 45 planes) :angel:
There are no other alternatives for Turkey. At this point in time it is the only stealth airplane we have access to until the TF-X Project is completed.

The situation sucks but its the reality.
 
There are no other alternatives for Turkey. At this point in time it is the only stealth airplane we have access to until the TF-X Project is completed.

The situation sucks but its the reality.

The same mechanical hiccups occurred when developing the F-15, even the F-16 variants. I'm sure when the issues are fixed, our enemies will bristle in jealousy when our respective Air Forces fly these beauties.

For my country, Japan has already expressed interest in adding more to our original order of 42 of the F-35as. With Japan Air Self Defense Forces' plans to retire our F-15 fleet (100 or so of them), we are now looking for viable replacements -- and our desire to retain the same operational strength. So an additional 100 or so F-35a /b could be acquired for the JASDF.

@Kaan , how many F-35s did the Turkish Air Force looking to get?
 
The JSF project has no doubt the most advanced technologies, however it was such a complex project with so many countries, suppliers involved, the reliability would indeed become a big headache.
 
The same mechanical hiccups occurred when developing the F-15, even the F-16 variants. I'm sure when the issues are fixed, our enemies will bristle in jealousy when our respective Air Forces fly these beauties.

For my country, Japan has already expressed interest in adding more to our original order of 42 of the F-35as. With Japan Air Self Defense Forces' plans to retire our F-15 fleet (100 or so of them), we are now looking for viable replacements -- and our desire to retain the same operational strength. So an additional 100 or so F-35a /b could be acquired for the JASDF.

@Kaan , how many F-35s did the Turkish Air Force looking to get?
These ya-hoos are already jealous. How many of these 'F-35 is crap' threads are needed ? Their jealousy and hatred are already known. :rolleyes:
 
The F-35 trolls will have egg on their face when this aircraft steamrolls through every potential adversary out there. The F-117,
F-15, and F-16 were all blasted at one point or another, and were proven to be dominant platforms. The F-35 will be no different. Adversaries that underestimate this aircraft do so at their own risk.
 
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