PDF Poll: Solution to TLP; MQM of Pakistan

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

@Hakikat ve Himet are you really Turkish or some guy posting as a Turk

I am an Ottoman...

 

[Yankee-stani]

I am an Ottoman...

Ha Ha good one I like your posts but really

 

[django]

@Hakikat ve Himet are you really Turkish or some guy posting as a Turk

A Honorable Turkish brother who understands Iqbal.Kudos bhai

 

[BATMAN]

declare them all blasphemous.

 

[Yankee-stani]

A Honorable Turkish brother who understands Iqbal.Kudos bhai

And Pakistani politics but his posts are witty does he live in the USA

 

[django]

And Pakistani politics but his posts are witty does he live in the USA

I believe so and is an erudite individual with a scientific/engineering background.Kudos

 

[Mage]

I can tell how Bangladeshi govt dealt with Jamaat Islami...I think their method was quite effective.

They took their leaders out. Jailed them and hanged some of them over several years. Arrested their student wing leaders en masse. Also arrested many Jamaat supporters and workers. Then made alliance with the largest anti Jamaat Islamic party known as Hefajot Islam. However before they made alliance with them they first crushed a massive protest of Hefajot. Then jailed their leaders. Took them on remand and treated them very well. Released their leaders within a month. After being released, hefajot leaders became pro govt. Now there is no Jamaat. And Hefajot Islam is an ally of the govt.

 

[Max]

I can tell how Bangladeshi govt dealt with Jamaat Islami...I think their method was quite effective.

They took their leaders out. Jailed them and hanged some of them over several years. Arrested their student wing leaders en masse. Also arrested many Jamaat supporters and workers. Then made alliance with the largest anti Jamaat Islamic party known as Hefajot Islam. However before they made alliance with them they first crushed a massive protest of Hefajot. Then jailed their leaders. Took them on remand and treated them very well. Released their leaders within a month. After being released, hefajot leaders became pro govt. Now there is no Jamaat. And Hefajot Islam is an ally of the govt.

Jamat e Islami is not a big deal in Pakistan and dying it's natural death, this TLP is another level of fanaticism.

 

[Mage]

Jamat e Islami is not a big deal in Pakistan and dying it's natural death, this TLP is another level of fanaticism.

I stated how BD govt dealt with Jamaat e Islamic. Pak govt can use similar method against TLP. The intent is needed. At first it might seem bloody. But once they start they cannot give up. And the end result will be overwhelmingly positive.

 

[Max]

I stated how BD govt dealt with Jamaat e Islamic. Pak govt can use similar method against TLP. The intent is needed. At first it might seem bloody. But once they start they cannot give up. And the end result will be overwhelmingly positive.

Can't be done in Pakistan unless election commission or supreme Court declear TLP illegal and ban them. We lack in civilian dictatorship.

 

[Mage]

Can't be done in Pakistan unless election commission or supreme Court declear TLP illegal and ban them. We lack in civilian dictatorships.

BD govt has made Jamaat illegal.

Tell me, is it illegal in your country to arrest people who is destroying public properties in the roads? Is it illegal to arrest the leaders instigating violence? Didn't TLP leaders make malicious statements against your army and your govt? Is it illegal for your police to make sure there is no violence in streets and deal with those who are blocking roads?

 

[Max]

BD govt has made Jamaat illegal.

Tell me, is it illegal in your country to arrest people who is destroying public properties in the roads? Is it illegal to arrest the leaders instigating violence? Didn't TLP leaders make malicious statements against your army and your govt? Is it illegal for your police to make sure there is no violence in streets and deal with those who are blocking roads?

It's allowed in our country to bark against army, people dont hesitate to destroy public property bcoz in past organizations and people have been pardoned by state including TLP. So they think they are more deserving for pardon then previous one's.

 

[airmarshal]

Using brute force will actually giving in to their demands.

Build an alternative narrative. Activate saner segments of Islamic scholars and propagate their view.

 

[Dubious]

Cant use brute force = Locally we will be labelled as Nooni did same for model town.
Cant use brute force = World wants us to violate human rights issue and take this as an example of labeling us extremists

If we dont use brute force = Nation ko tabah ker dalain gay pagal log
If we dont use brute force = Locally opposition will make a big deal that we couldnt handle pagal log of the country!

If we do talks = Not sure if these people are worth talking to coz most are not in it for anything but just release frustration!
If we do talks = we can be seen as a proper nation that is diplomatic
If we do talks = opposition see us as weak


If we give in = NEVER should this be an option
If we give in = opposition will say we dont know how to run a govt
If we give in = tomorrow another group will blackmail us


So what should we do? Shoot some people and then announce things were getting out of control so had to curb it by force? Use water canons? Rubber bullets?

What we need is a neutralized media that shows this and then reports
HOW GOVT HANDLED IT

not

HOW media ASSUMES govt handled it

 

[Mage]

It's allowed in our country to bark against army, people dont hesitate to destroy public property bcoz in past organizations and people have been pardoned by state including TLP. So they think they are more deserving for pardon then previous one's.

If someone is openly calling for rebellion against the army or govt....you have a valid case for arresting them. And it should be totally alright to arrest those who damage public property. You can't keep pardoning people. This will lead to lawlessness.

Cant use brute force = Locally we will be labelled as Nooni did same for model town.
Cant use brute force = World wants us to violate human rights issue and take this as an example of labeling us extremists

If we dont use brute force = Nation ko tabah ker dalain gay pagal log
If we dont use brute force = Locally opposition will make a big deal that we couldnt handle pagal log of the country!

If we do talks = Not sure if these people are worth talking to coz most are not in it for anything but just release frustration!
If we do talks = we can be seen as a proper nation that is diplomatic
If we do talks = opposition see us as weak


If we give in = NEVER should this be an option
If we give in = opposition will say we dont know how to run a govt
If we give in = tomorrow another group will blackmail us


So what should we do? Shoot some people and then announce things were getting out of control so had to curb it by force? Use water canons? Rubber bullets?

What we need is a neutralized media that shows this and then reports
HOW GOVT HANDLED IT

not

HOW media ASSUMES govt handled it

Use rubber bullets where protesters are violent and blocking roads.

After midnight arrest their top leaders. Take them in remand. While allow but do not encourage your police to use force where they find it necessary on the protesters next day. Make sure to do this for a couple of days. Things will go back to normal. While you are at it, make sure the leaders who are in your jails don't try these things again. After a couple of weeks release those leaders after making it sure that they fall in line with the govt. The process maybe violent. But this will guarantee long term peace.