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Talks with Pak: Having set a 72-hour deadline, it’s critical that Modi govt has a plan from hour 73 onwards
by Bikram Vohra Jan 8, 2016 14:00
Good on India. Good on Modi. He has moved the envelope to the edge of the table not so much by telling Pakistan to show the intent but by placing on it a deadline of 72 hours.
Time bound deadlines are something India has seldom given and when there has been only a stern warning no one in Islamabad has taken it very seriously.
The post Pathankot mood on the Indian side is a lot different than the norm and this must have caught Nawaz Sharif on the backfoot.
He was expecting a lot of foot stamping and petulant indignation from New Delhi all of which he could handle but a 72 hour ultimatum is a different deal. This must be irksome to Islamabad because it has the element of a decisive threat and they have not had that in recent years.
For Mr Modi, smarting from the embarrassment of this assault occurring so soon after his manufactured spontaneous stopover, the rock has been crossed with tangible gravel in the gut. The hard place is keeping the takes high. The Foreign Secretaries meet scheduled for Jan 15 between between Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar and his Pakistani counterpart Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry cannot be the sum total of the threat.
Seven Indian soldiers were killed in Pathankot/ PTI
Nor should India give much credence to the offer (which will come) of the National Security Advisors of both countries meeting first. That would leave India holding the bag because a postponement of the FS talks is mere bagatelle for Sharif and if it is delayed and that gets India off his back he will go back home laughing. It is of no consequence. Also, in the Pakistan mindset, India is not hawkish and the top brass there have always believed they can fling bridges over troubled waters, appeasing India being easy peasy.
Having put the deadline at 72 hours the deal now is how India assesses the quantity and quality of the Pakistan response in these three days. This is vital.
Pakistan will be hard put surrender space as in handing over any of the top twenty terrorists that India wants. They may go underground and be told to shut up and lie low but it is unlikely they will be handed over. Don’t expect individuals like LeT founder Hafiz Saeed and Zaki ur Rehman Lakhvi to be docilely handed over.
Be sure that Pakistan will pooh pooh the evidence India has sent. They will seek refuge in the stand that if they were complicit in the attack then whether the ISI or otherwise, they would have sanitised the equipment and the uniforms not sewn ‘Made in Pakistan’ labels.
India is not interested in semantics. The die has been cast, now it’s their turn.
By that token Pakistan’s best bet is to pretend this is a renegade outfit. Some garden variety bunch of twits who ran off on their own.
In the next few days New Delhi has to be very careful not to be sideswiped by the ‘Salwinder Singh’ card which Pakistan proxies will wave to deflect responsibility...don’t blame us, your own people (ergo ,your cops) were involved.
Pakistan has a lot of practice with delay and obfuscation.
We have to be aware of that and ensure that having offered the deadline expiring Sunday we have a Plan B.
And Plan B better have hi octane powder. Because at this moment the odds favour Pakistan’s savvy PM in conference saying, “Okay, we have them angry, how do we navigate this mess without handing over anything of significance.’
If you were a fly on the wall, you’d also hear the his advisors saying it is time to stall, drag our feet and make promises we don’t really have to keep.
That is the problem with deadlines...you have to back them and up the stakes.
Otherwise the next time you don’t get taken seriously. If Nawaz Sharif calls our bluff and the 73rd hour is upon us with nothing significant having occurred and we do not raise the ante immediately we will be up the creek without a paddle.
We cannot afford that.
Proud to be Indian this evening but concerned how we can back a 72 hour ultimatum.
Our best bet: No talks unless you mean business on terrorism. If you have to recall your ambassador. do it. Literally, stick to your guns.
Pathankot attack: Time for PM Modi to dump NRIs, address nation on language of India-Pak dialogue - Firstpost
The yellow journalism at best. My question is, is there anybody who would counter such type of journalism and bring it into the norm of journalism or SOP. a little of Manipulation by journalism as under:-
Media manipulation is a series of related techniques in which partisans create an image or argument that favours their particular interests.[1] Such tactics may include the use of logical fallacies and propaganda techniques, and often involve the suppression of information or points of view by crowding them out, by inducing other people or groups of people to stop listening to certain arguments, or by simply diverting attention elsewhere. In Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes, Jacques Ellul writes that public opinion can only express itself through channels which are provided by the mass media of communication-without which there could be no propaganda.[2] It is used within public relations, propaganda, marketing, etc. While the objective for each context is quite different, the broad techniques are often similar.
As illustrated below, many of the more modern mass media manipulation methods are types of distraction, on the assumption that the public has a limited attention span.
Propagandising[edit]
Main article: Propaganda
Propagandising is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is commonly created by governments, but some forms of mass-communication created by other powerful organisations can be considered propaganda as well. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes. While the term propaganda has justifiably acquired a strongly negative connotation by association with its most manipulative and jingoistic examples (e.g. Nazi Propaganda used to justify the Holocaust), propaganda in its original sense was neutral, and could refer to uses that were generally benign or innocuous, such as public health recommendations, signs encouraging citizens to participate in a census or election, or messages encouraging persons to report crimes to the police, among others.
Psychological warfare[edit]
Main article: Psychological warfare
Psychological warfare is sometimes considered synonymous with propaganda. The principal distinction being that propaganda normally occurs within a nation, whereas psychological warfare normally takes place between nations, often during war or cold war. Various techniques are used to influence a target's values,beliefs, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.
Talks with Pak: Having set a 72-hour deadline, it’s critical that Modi govt has a plan from hour 73 onwards
by Bikram Vohra Jan 8, 2016 14:00
Good on India. Good on Modi. He has moved the envelope to the edge of the table not so much by telling Pakistan to show the intent but by placing on it a deadline of 72 hours.
Time bound deadlines are something India has seldom given and when there has been only a stern warning no one in Islamabad has taken it very seriously.
The post Pathankot mood on the Indian side is a lot different than the norm and this must have caught Nawaz Sharif on the backfoot.
He was expecting a lot of foot stamping and petulant indignation from New Delhi all of which he could handle but a 72 hour ultimatum is a different deal. This must be irksome to Islamabad because it has the element of a decisive threat and they have not had that in recent years.
For Mr Modi, smarting from the embarrassment of this assault occurring so soon after his manufactured spontaneous stopover, the rock has been crossed with tangible gravel in the gut. The hard place is keeping the takes high. The Foreign Secretaries meet scheduled for Jan 15 between between Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar and his Pakistani counterpart Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry cannot be the sum total of the threat.
Seven Indian soldiers were killed in Pathankot/ PTI
Nor should India give much credence to the offer (which will come) of the National Security Advisors of both countries meeting first. That would leave India holding the bag because a postponement of the FS talks is mere bagatelle for Sharif and if it is delayed and that gets India off his back he will go back home laughing. It is of no consequence. Also, in the Pakistan mindset, India is not hawkish and the top brass there have always believed they can fling bridges over troubled waters, appeasing India being easy peasy.
Having put the deadline at 72 hours the deal now is how India assesses the quantity and quality of the Pakistan response in these three days. This is vital.
Pakistan will be hard put surrender space as in handing over any of the top twenty terrorists that India wants. They may go underground and be told to shut up and lie low but it is unlikely they will be handed over. Don’t expect individuals like LeT founder Hafiz Saeed and Zaki ur Rehman Lakhvi to be docilely handed over.
Be sure that Pakistan will pooh pooh the evidence India has sent. They will seek refuge in the stand that if they were complicit in the attack then whether the ISI or otherwise, they would have sanitised the equipment and the uniforms not sewn ‘Made in Pakistan’ labels.
India is not interested in semantics. The die has been cast, now it’s their turn.
By that token Pakistan’s best bet is to pretend this is a renegade outfit. Some garden variety bunch of twits who ran off on their own.
In the next few days New Delhi has to be very careful not to be sideswiped by the ‘Salwinder Singh’ card which Pakistan proxies will wave to deflect responsibility...don’t blame us, your own people (ergo ,your cops) were involved.
Pakistan has a lot of practice with delay and obfuscation.
We have to be aware of that and ensure that having offered the deadline expiring Sunday we have a Plan B.
And Plan B better have hi octane powder. Because at this moment the odds favour Pakistan’s savvy PM in conference saying, “Okay, we have them angry, how do we navigate this mess without handing over anything of significance.’
If you were a fly on the wall, you’d also hear the his advisors saying it is time to stall, drag our feet and make promises we don’t really have to keep.
That is the problem with deadlines...you have to back them and up the stakes.
Otherwise the next time you don’t get taken seriously. If Nawaz Sharif calls our bluff and the 73rd hour is upon us with nothing significant having occurred and we do not raise the ante immediately we will be up the creek without a paddle.
We cannot afford that.
Proud to be Indian this evening but concerned how we can back a 72 hour ultimatum.
Our best bet: No talks unless you mean business on terrorism. If you have to recall your ambassador. do it. Literally, stick to your guns.
Pathankot attack: Time for PM Modi to dump NRIs, address nation on language of India-Pak dialogue - Firstpost
The yellow journalism at best. My question is, is there anybody who would counter such type of journalism and bring it into the norm of journalism or SOP. a little of Manipulation by journalism as under:-
Media manipulation is a series of related techniques in which partisans create an image or argument that favours their particular interests.[1] Such tactics may include the use of logical fallacies and propaganda techniques, and often involve the suppression of information or points of view by crowding them out, by inducing other people or groups of people to stop listening to certain arguments, or by simply diverting attention elsewhere. In Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes, Jacques Ellul writes that public opinion can only express itself through channels which are provided by the mass media of communication-without which there could be no propaganda.[2] It is used within public relations, propaganda, marketing, etc. While the objective for each context is quite different, the broad techniques are often similar.
As illustrated below, many of the more modern mass media manipulation methods are types of distraction, on the assumption that the public has a limited attention span.
Propagandising[edit]
Main article: Propaganda
Propagandising is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. Propaganda is commonly created by governments, but some forms of mass-communication created by other powerful organisations can be considered propaganda as well. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda is usually repeated and dispersed over a wide variety of media in order to create the chosen result in audience attitudes. While the term propaganda has justifiably acquired a strongly negative connotation by association with its most manipulative and jingoistic examples (e.g. Nazi Propaganda used to justify the Holocaust), propaganda in its original sense was neutral, and could refer to uses that were generally benign or innocuous, such as public health recommendations, signs encouraging citizens to participate in a census or election, or messages encouraging persons to report crimes to the police, among others.
Psychological warfare[edit]
Main article: Psychological warfare
Psychological warfare is sometimes considered synonymous with propaganda. The principal distinction being that propaganda normally occurs within a nation, whereas psychological warfare normally takes place between nations, often during war or cold war. Various techniques are used to influence a target's values,beliefs, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.
)) let us first proof them as made in Pakistan.
