Pastor Burnson the innocent American priest in Turkey

[neosinan]

And then there is this as well him his wife with PKK and YPG
He is not only guilty in Turkey but Iraq and Syria as well

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You have again been proven a liar, by presenting a photoshopped picture as proof.
That people create fake evidence, indicates that real evidence is lacking.

So is he getting a fair trial, instead of the clown circus that Wiki is presenting?

• The accusation is not known, and coming from an unnamed individual
• Only witnesses supporting the accusation is allowed in court.
• Pastor Brunsons witnesses are not allowed to speak in court

I guess when ”evidence” is presented for him supporting PKK it could be on the line:
Tweet:
#stopkkk (which will be read #stoPKKk)

If Turkey has real, provable accusations, they should be presented.

Is this Picture Photoshop too? There are quite a few like this. In the Most of the World, This sign might mean Peace but Not In Turkey. This is used as Victory sign by PKK supporters while Westerners think They mean Peace. Especially, After successful bombings and Election victories. So He definitely has contacts with PKK sympathizers.

 

[BHarwana]

No, it is not the same picture.
It is compressed in the horisontal direction to make the round head less round.
The original picture is quite obviously not the pastor,
while the stuff our dear liar posted can with some effort be interpreted as the pastor.
@waz should obviously fake pictures be allowed?

It is not only a picture but the news link is also given so you are wrong. And the pic from Iraq is from 2004 war there is no photoshop involved in the both pics they are same.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

i wouldn't use wikipedia for info on anything political/history related. it's cancerously biased, especially due to horde of indian editors on that site

Wikipedia is quite useful for many things, but unless proper sources is provided it is not neccessarily reliable. In this case, I just use it as a base for a discussion.
The page claims that the ”trial” is unprofessional and unfair.

The real story of the trial needs to be highlighted.
Either the pastor is innocent or not, but it is not unknown that states have held trial just for show, and beeing innocent or not is unimportant during those trials.
Is the Wiki page true, or is the pastor getting a fair trial.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Is this Picture Photoshop too? There are quite a few like this. In the Most of the World, This sign might mean Peace but Not In Turkey. This is used as Victory sign by PKK supporters while Westerners think They mean Peace. Especially, After successful bombings and Election victories. So He definitely has contacts with PKK sympathizers.

I doubt that the photo with the V sign is photoshopped.
I get red rings around the heads of people most of the time when I take pictures - duuh...

Posting pictures without links to the original means much less or no chance of verification.
If presented as ”proof” without the link, it should be treated as fake.

 

[BHarwana]

I doubt that the photo with the V sign is photoshopped.
I get red rings around the heads of people most of the time when I take pictures - duuh...

Posting pictures without links to the original means much less or no chance of verification.
If presented as ”proof” without the link, it should be treated as fake.

Pastor is a CIA and responsible for the deaths of many innocent Turks. Turkish justice system is better than American where many whites walk free after killing black.
If pastor is innocent why USA try to put pressure on Turkey and why not wait for justice to take place?

 

[SabzShaheen]

Wikipedia is quite useful for many things, but unless proper sources is provided it is not neccessarily reliable. In this case, I just use it as a base for a discussion.
The page claims that the ”trial” is unprofessional and unfair.

The real story of the trial needs to be highlighted.
Either the pastor is innocent or not, but it is not unknown that states have held trial just for show, and beeing innocent or not is unimportant during those trials.
Is the Wiki page true, or is the pastor getting a fair trial.

reliable or not, it is still biased and therefore it is very likely that certain truths are not presented in a wikipedia article to suit a certain agenda. it is indeed quite useful, though.

i'm not too interested in this situation but i would collect information from both sides and determine for myself what is the truth. i'm sure a turkish outlet like trt world would provide its own insight into the proceedings and it goes without saying that there are a barrage of articles about this issue from western media outlets.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Pastor is a CIA and responsible for the deaths of many innocent Turks. Turkish justice system is better than American where many whites walk free after killing black.
If pastor is innocent why USA try to put pressure on Turkey and why not wait for justice to take place?

You have not presented proof of CIA connections.
Instead You have lied, as You usually do.

The Turkish Justice system has jailed 100s of thousands of their own citizens without trial.
It is a caricature of justice, all controlled by the corrupt President.

Any country worth its salt will protect their citizens.
The pastor has spent a long time without trial, and that is unacceptable.
In this case, Erdogan apparently has insulted Trump.
That means that Trump will hurt Turkey.

 

[sammuel]

Pastor is a CIA and responsible for the deaths of many innocent Turks.

You have zero evidence for that , not even the turks claim he is cia , so stop inventing unsupported bs and spreading liesrelying on photos of someone else . How low can you go.

You have not presented proof of CIA connections.
Instead You have lied, as You usually do.

The Turkish Justice system has jailed 100s of thousands of their own citizens without trial.
It is a caricature of justice, all controlled by the corrupt President.

Any country worth its salt will protect their citizens.
The pastor has spent a long time without trial, and that is unacceptable.
In this case, Erdogan apparently has insulted Trump.
That means that Trump will hurt Turkey.

indeed.

Add to that Trump help release a turkish citizen in exchange for the Pastor. Around the same time Burnson was indeed released , but instead of freeing hin they put him on house arrest.

If turkey in fact agreed to such an exchange , as Trump hinted , and failed to deliver , no wonder the Americans are angry.

~

 

[Che palle]

Pastor is a CIA and responsible for the deaths of many innocent Turks. Turkish justice system is better than American where many whites walk free after killing black.
If pastor is innocent why USA try to put pressure on Turkey and why not wait for justice to take place?

Don't waste your time arguing with that Indian wannabe-Swede.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Don't waste your time arguing with that Indian wannabe-Swede.

Said the real Indian.
You are denying your genes, while longing for the worship of Hindu gods.

Not even aware of the real stuff...

 

[alee92nawaz]

These A-holes control world media and easily create narrative for or against countries. Turkey may get forced to release him

So they say Pastor Andrew Burnson is innocent but is he really innocent? If he is innocent what was he doing in Iraq trying to topple Saddam regime.
Brunson is a CIA operative involved in many regime changes and has been doing this for a long time. He is 100% guilty for attempting coup in Turkey.

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[Saithan]

I'm thinking that the Brunson case is just another one similar to how the US judged and sentenced a turkish bank CEO based on a liars statement. Only difference is, that there are probably proof of continuous contact with terrorist members. Brunson should have reported that to the security forces, but decided to keep mum about it.

If what I wrote is true, then Brunson is sidelined with supporting terrorists. Let's not forget Guantanamo, innocent can be dragged through hell, and emerge without nothing in the end.

 

[Bismarck]

Trump's war against Turkey for Pastor Brunson

August 14, 2018

Donald Trump. Image: Wikimedia / Michael Vadon CC BY-SA 4.0

Every year thousands of American citizens are imprisoned abroad. But President Trump has decided to go to war to secure the release of just one of them. What's it all about?


By Jacob G. Hornberger / Anti-war


The citizen who receives the preferential treatment is Andrew Brunson, an American pastor who is imprisoned in Turkey. He is accused of participating in 2016 in a coup attempt against Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.


President Trump is upset over Brunson's arrest and detention. To pressure Erdogan to release Brunson, Trump has imposed rigorous economic sanctions on Turkey, which have contributed to a serious financial crash in the country. The Turkish lira, which had already lost around 45 percent against the dollar this year, hit a low on Sunday and plummeted another 7 percent on Monday. Erdogan trumped Trump's sanctions with a "stab in the back."


Meanwhile, the US mainstream press jumps on the release Brunson train ("Free Brunson!"). An editorial in the New York Times on August 10 provides a good example. The Times writes:


On Friday, Mr. Trump announced in a tweet that he has ordered a doubling of steel and aluminum tariffs against Turkey.


The goal is to force Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to release Andrew Brunson, an American and Christian evangelical pastor who has been arrested by Turkey since 2016 on fabricated allegations of aiding and abetting Erdogan's failed coup. (Emphasis added)


The reason why I emphasized the term "invented" is that when I read it, I immediately responded: How does the New York Times editorial board know that the allegations are "invented"? How do you know that Brunson is innocent? There is no indication in the editorial that the Times has reviewed any evidence the Turkish authorities might have against Brunson.


How does Trump know that Brunson is innocent? How can he be so sure that Brunson is innocent, that he is ready to inflict massive economic damage on the Turkish people by his unilateral imposition of severe economic sanctions?


But I do not say that Brunson is guilty. I have no idea if he is guilty or innocent. I just ask, how do Trump and the New York Times know he's innocent? Does it matter to her whether he is guilty or not?


After all, are not they after these foreign regimes around the world that have imprisoned thousands of other Americans? Why not take action against these regimes to secure the release of these Americans? Why only Brunson? What is different about him?


According to the Times editorial, the Turkish authorities have arrested another 19 Americans. But the focus of the US is primarily on Brunson. What does that mean?


Also note this fascinating excerpt from the Times editorial:


So far, the Turks have absurdly blamed the United States government for complicity in this 2016 coup attempt .... (Emphasis added)


Absurd? Why absurd?


Of course, it is not clear what the Times calls "absurd." The Times could say that it has reviewed top-secret CIA files on Turkey and concluded that there is no evidence to support the Turkish claim. However, my guess is that that's not what the Times means, especially since the CIA is not about to let anyone access their secret files about Turkey or any other country.


What the Times undoubtedly meant is that it is simply "absurd" to think that the CIA would initiate or participate in such a coup. But that is the core task of the CIA - the regime change, be it through coup or murder. The entire history of the CIA is full of coups. Only recently was the CIA putsch in Ukraine, which ended with the big uproar over Crimea with Russia. If we go back in history, we have the coups of the CIA in Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Brazil and others, along with repeated attempts to assassinate or assassinate people like Patrice Lumumba and Fidel Castro.


The only thing that is really absurd is the idea that the possibility of a CIA coup is absurd. Of course, if the CIA were involved in the attempted coup against Erdogan, we would not know it until 25 to 30 years, as in other coup attempts initiated by the CIA.


The fact that the US national security state has specialized in coups endangers Americans traveling abroad. That's because, whenever a coup d'état occurs, the government in question is likely to come to the conclusion that all the Americans who are in the country are CIA resources that help drive the coup d'état. I would not be surprised certainly if the Turkish authorities had concluded that Brunson is a CIA operative, especially after the Turks have heard about the overwhelming negative reaction of US officials and the US mainstream press on his detention.


The Times editorial points to Erdogan's authoritarian policies and practices. Unfortunately, the Times does not indicate the dark irony in all this is that membership in America's NATO committed the American people automatically to defend this authoritarian, dictatorial and freedom-hostile regimes, if it is ever attacked by another country.


Another dark irony is that Trump himself, by unilaterally imposing sanctions - that is, without any congressional approval - waging war against Turkey, pursues the same authoritarian, dictatorial policy as Erdogan.


After all, an American citizen takes risks when traveling abroad. Arrest and detention, even under false charge, is always a risk. If an American does not want to take that risk, he should stay home. He can not expect Big Brother / Big Daddy to come to his aid when he gets into trouble, especially because the United States Constitution does not allow Big Brother / Big Daddy.

https://www.contra-magazin.com/2018...ie-tuerkei-fuer-pastor-brunson/?cn-reloaded=1

 

[neosinan]

I doubt that the photo with the V sign is photoshopped.
I get red rings around the heads of people most of the time when I take pictures - duuh...

Posting pictures without links to the original means much less or no chance of verification.
If presented as ”proof” without the link, it should be treated as fake.

His Lawyer didn't refuse and didn't respond to the authenticity of the picture in the Court room.

https://www.aksam.com.tr/guncel/brunsonun-avukatinin-iddialari-fotograflarla-yalanlandi/haber-764523

 

[Silahtar]

You still don't know? These christianist american terrorist pigs and their zionist terrorist puppies are innocent in all circumstances. They occupy the Islamic lands, kill millions of Muslim, imprison them, torture them, rape them, support all kind of puppet dictators against Muslim, and then they act like innocents anyway.