Pashtuns got 'Khan' title from Turk Sultans of Delhi , not Mongols

[Niazi2222]

Pathans has Tribes
in india was last ruling time of pathan was lodhi dynasty and started with suri.
who were lodhi? not low hindu cast lodhi, its two different things
lodhi was titles for kings and generals
Lodhi are from Khilji tribe, after mughals came they were kicked out by mughals and came to today around indus river bank. their cousen were suri dynasty , sher shah suri was from kakar tribe, suri was also title, his army was full with Niazis and marwats, his famouse generals hebat khan niazi, khwas khan marwat, they build rhotas fort. i think who read history he know what am talking here.
people in subcontinent have complexes and they recognized their self by invaders and they shameon their ancestors.
in KPK are living awan, jatt, gujjar they call themself pathna because they speak pashtu, in kpk speak chritian and sikh also pushto but its doesnt mean to be pathan.
in india 90% khan are fake
shahrukh khan : father was awan from peshawar mother south indian
feroz khan : from hazara they are tanoli and not pathans
aamir khan : farsi decendents from herat, nothing to do with pathans
indian has complexes and many also in pakistan, i know many mirasi and musali from myvillage when theygoout side they call themselves Niazi.
jisko apna baap change karney ka shouq ho to uski apni marzi

 

[django]

Pathans has Tribes
in india was last ruling time of pathan was lodhi dynasty and started with suri.
who were lodhi? not low hindu cast lodhi, its two different things
lodhi was titles for kings and generals
Lodhi are from Khilji tribe, after mughals came they were kicked out by mughals and came to today around indus river bank. their cousen were suri dynasty , sher shah suri was from kakar tribe, suri was also title, his army was full with Niazis and marwats, his famouse generals hebat khan niazi, khwas khan marwat, they build rhotas fort. i think who read history he know what am talking here.
people in subcontinent have complexes and they recognized their self by invaders and they shameon their ancestors.
in KPK are living awan, jatt, gujjar they call themself pathna because they speak pashtu, in kpk speak chritian and sikh also pushto but its doesnt mean to be pathan.
in india 90% khan are fake
shahrukh khan : father was awan from peshawar mother south indian
feroz khan : from hazara they are tanoli and not pathans
aamir khan : farsi decendents from herat, nothing to do with pathans
indian has complexes and many also in pakistan, i know many mirasi and musali from myvillage when theygoout side they call themselves Niazi.
jisko apna baap change karney ka shouq ho to uski apni marzi

My dear chap their are no Jatt in KPK, and no they would not refer to themselves as pashtun, I have many awan freinds from the hazara region, non of them call themselves pashtun.perhaps SRK is not an awan or is very uneducated in the issue believing that anyone from Peshawar is a pashtun like many others do who are outside of the region btw feroz khan was a tanoli from ghazni afghanistan,kudos

 

[Sugarcane]

i know many mirasi and musali from myvillage when theygoout side they call themselves Niazi.

Are you posting from out side?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I dont understand why Rajputs needed to assume Pathan identity after conversion to Islam when the concept of Muslim Rajput exists e.g those of Mewat. It seems to me Rajputs attached Khan surname after accepting Islam , as it was customary for muslim nobles in India and ignorant people of later generations started calling them Pathans due to Khan name.

Converts from Low castes, were more keen to assume identity of the ruling muslim class.......Those who didnt assumed fake identities and kept their ancestral professions, were called ajlafs. Basically ajlafs are genuine people, while most of the ashrafs in India are fake.

From what I've heard from Rajputs .. They changed the Singh surname with Khan after accepting Islam... It has nothing to do with changing their ancestory.. Rajputs are proud people ..

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Khan or Kahn or Can or Chan- > Note the name is also popular as far as in Hong Kong

Name became popular after Mongol overcame various civilizations and controlled a lot of Territory quite fast

Few of the leaders had the last name at that time

General population adopted the name as a trend in society in that time as perhaps the name showed acceptance of new King

If you imagine the path of Mongols you can see path from Mongolia to present day Pakistan areas etc

 

[Samandri]

My dear chap their are no Jatt in KPK, and no they would not refer to themselves as pashtun, I have many awan freinds from the hazara region, non of them call themselves pashtun.perhaps SRK is not an awan or is very uneducated in the issue believing that anyone from Peshawar is a pashtun like many others do who are outside of the region btw feroz khan was a tanoli from ghazni afghanistan,kudos

In Southern districts of KPK, you will find Jat population. There is Seraiki speaking Jat population of DI Khan and there are also pockets of Pashto speaking Jats in Tank, Lakki and Bannu.

 

[django]

In Southern districts of KPK, you will find Jat population. There is Seraiki speaking Jat population of DI Khan and there are also pockets of Pashto speaking Jats in Tank, Lakki and Bannu.

Was not aware of that. Perhaps their origins are different than the ones in Punjab/kashmir, @save_ghenda can perhaps elaborate more on this.kudos

 

[Samandri]

Pathans has Tribes
in india was last ruling time of pathan was lodhi dynasty and started with suri.
who were lodhi? not low hindu cast lodhi, its two different things
lodhi was titles for kings and generals
Lodhi are from Khilji tribe, after mughals came they were kicked out by mughals and came to today around indus river bank. their cousen were suri dynasty , sher shah suri was from kakar tribe, suri was also title, his army was full with Niazis and marwats, his famouse generals hebat khan niazi, khwas khan marwat, they build rhotas fort. i think who read history he know what am talking here.
people in subcontinent have complexes and they recognized their self by invaders and they shameon their ancestors.
in KPK are living awan, jatt, gujjar they call themself pathna because they speak pashtu, in kpk speak chritian and sikh also pushto but its doesnt mean to be pathan.
in india 90% khan are fake
shahrukh khan : father was awan from peshawar mother south indian
feroz khan : from hazara they are tanoli and not pathans
aamir khan : farsi decendents from herat, nothing to do with pathans
indian has complexes and many also in pakistan, i know many mirasi and musali from myvillage when theygoout side they call themselves Niazi.
jisko apna baap change karney ka shouq ho to uski apni marzi

Brother Niazi, just one correction. Sher Shah Suri was not a Kakar but from cousin tribe of Niazis and Marwats (Lohanis). Suri is a Lodi tribe, so are Niazis. As the dynasty was established by a Lodi clan (Prangi), so in power sharing, preference was given to other Lodi tribes like Dotanis, Lohanis (Marwats, Miya Khels etc), Niazis, Sarwanis etc.

Was not aware of that. Perhaps their origins are different than the ones in Punjab/kashmir, @save_ghenda can perhaps elaborate more on this.kudos

They are the same as Jats of South Punjab.

 

[Kabira]

Was not aware of that. Perhaps their origins are different than the ones in Punjab/kashmir, @save_ghenda can perhaps elaborate more on this.kudos

I have no idea about them, neither their tribe names. Pak Central punjabi muslim and east punjab sikh jatts have similar tribes but not sure about those in KPK. British census of region can be helpful. I have only read Hazara division Gazatter and there was no mention of jats or rajputs in that region but other tribes like abbasi, ghakkhar, gujjar, tanolis, jaduns etc

 

[django]

I have no idea about them, neither their tribe names. Pak Central punjabi muslim and east punjab sikh jatts share clan names but not sure about those in KPK. British census of region can be helpful. I have only read Hazara division Gazatter and there was no mention of jats or rajputs in that region but other tribes like abbasi, ghakkhar, gujjar, tanolis, jaduns etc

Yes in know in Hazara their are no jats.

 

[Kabira]

indian has complexes and many also in pakistan, i know many mirasi and musali from myvillage when theygoout side they call themselves Niazi.
rzi

We are no longer living in medieval age when they were dependent on land lords for food. Now in many cases they are more well off then their former masters but musali is stigma and they want to get rid of it by adopting other tribe names. Now days it's common to see people from these castes/tribes adopting different surnames despite not changing their forefathers profession even in rural areas.

Honestly I can't blame them.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

OK tell me is this guy (in the link) real Pathan?

@django @save_ghenda @ghoul @Desert Fox @lrb @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Malik Abdullah @Hiptullha @Niazi2222 @DESERT FIGHTER @LoveIcon

 

[django]

OK tell me is this guy (in the link) real Pathan?

@django @save_ghenda @ghoul @Desert Fox @lrb @AZADPAKISTAN2009 @Malik Abdullah @Hiptullha @Niazi2222 @DESERT FIGHTER @LoveIcon

One would have to know what his tribe is to answer this question, KPK is a very diverse place with hindko speaking awans, gujjars etc, pashtuns, pashto speaking artisans, kohistanis, chitralis and other dardics sttled in kpk.

 

[Deidara]

The title Khan belongs to both Turks and Mongols. They are a related people. Another related people the Avars dominated central asia first, after them Turks dominated this region then later Mongols dominated central asia. They all used the titles 'khan' and 'khagan'.

 

[Sine Nomine]

@save_ghenda

sad but actually true


It seems the Khokhars were the most powerful tribe of Punjab at one point. Indeed, It's a mystery what happened to them.

Not a mystery my friend originally khokhar Branch of Rajputs hail from salt range,they have numerous settlements in Salt range and river jehelum both banks and slowly they spread upto Lahore.
Locking Horn with every other Ruler cast them alot, fight with Afghans and letter not submitting themselves to Raj and sikhs pushed them back,today still there are settlements of khokhars were all inhabitants are relatives.

KHOKHAR RAJPUTS.. a short brief:

Origins

H. A. Rose finds early references to the Khokhars in the Taj-ul-Ma'asir, the Tabaqat-i-Nasir and the Ain-i-Akbari, with the earliest certain record being in the first of these, which was written in 1205 AD. These ancient texts recount a rebellion against the Muslim governor of Sangwan that occurred during the rule of Muhammad of Ghor. There had been incorrect rumours that the Sultan had died and these led to uprisings, among which was that of the Khokhars. They joined in rebellion with Rai Sal, the ruler of the Salt Range, but were heavily defeated. Rose makes it clear that there is uncertainty regarding whether Rai Sal was himself a Khokhar.

Rose believe that the origin of the Khokhar lay probably in a Hindu community but that they are "obscure" and some of their traditions of origin do not stand scrutiny. The tribal folklore claims a connection to the Awan community through a son of Qutb Shah, but Rose dismisses it as "this pedigree probably merely records the fact that the Awans and Khokhars owe their conversion to Islam to the saint Qutb Shah or his disciples, or that they both accepted his teachings." Rose is unconvinced by the Awan traditional lore regarding Qutb Shah which states that he ruled Herat and came to India to fight with several of his sons, including one called Khokhar, when Mahmud of Ghazni was invading an area which nowadays forms part of Afghanistan, Pakistan and northern India. Rose believes that the names of the descendants of Qutb Shah who came to settle in India are clearly not of Arabic origin and therefore the connection between those people and their alleged ancestor are unlikely.

Ahmed Abdulla has summarised this situation more recently

... the Awans, Khokhars and Khatars claim common ancestry from Qutb Shah, who is said to have come from Ghazni with Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi, [but] scholars hold the view that they were most probably converted by Qutb Shah during Mahmud Ghaznnavi's reign and were not his descendants. This tendency of claiming foreign origin by some of the local tribes is not uncommon. "Even admittedly Rajput tribes of famous ancestry such as the Khokhar, have begun to follow the example of claiming connection with the Mughal conquerors of India or the Qureshi cousins of the prophet".

Aside from his work with the ancient texts, Rose also refers to an event of 1009 AD in which an infidel community known as the Gakkhars joined with Hindus to resist a Muslim invasion. He believes that these Gakkhars "in all probability" were the Khokhars.

Similarly, many campaigns were undertaken against the Khokhars by Sultan Shahabuddin Ghori in the Punjab and ultimately he was killed by the Khokhars of the Salt Range in March 1206. Any confusion which may once have existed regarding which tribe did what appears to have it origins in the works of Firishta. Rose points out that historians prior to Firishta were in agreement that it was the Khokkars who had killed Ghori, that Sheika and Jasrat were not Gakkhars and that, generally, Firishta confused the two tribes on several occasions. He noted that Firishta plagiarised some content of an earlier historian - Ibn-i-Asir - but applied it to the wrong tribe, and he speculated that Firishta may even have had some grudge against the Gakkhars because of their ill treatment of one of Firishta's relatives.

Historical figures such as Sheikha and Jasrat are nowadays regarded as being Khokhar.

Historical records

Coin of Mu'izzuddin Muhammad Bin Sam (Sultan Shahabuddin Muhammad Ghori), circa 1173-1206 , Issued from Delhi following coin typology of Prithviraja.

In 1240 AD, Razia, the daughter of Shams-ud-din Iltutmish marched with her husband Altunia to recapture the throne from her brother Muizuddin Bahram Shah, she is reported to have headed an army composed mostly of mercenaries from the Khokhar tribe of the Punjab

"In 1246-7 Balban mounted an expedition as far as the Salt Range to chastise the Khokhars" "His last campaign was undertaken with the object of subjugating the turbulent Khokhars of the Salt Range."

"The Khokhran section is said to consist of the descendants of certain Khatris who joined the Khokhars in rebellion against Ala-ud-din Khilji who ascended the throne of the Delhi Sultanate in AD 1296.);and with whom other Khatri families were afraid to intermarry ". The Khokhran were concentrated in the areas of the Salt Range and particularly Bhera. Although Lahore was reoccupied by Dehli, for the next twenty years Lahore remained in ruined condition, being sacked on several occasion by the Mongols or by their Khokhar allies. Around the same time a Mongol commander named Hulechu occupied Lahore in alliance with Khokhar chief Gulchand, the one time ally of Muhammad's father.

Shaikha Khokhar and Tamerlane

The Lahore Fort was badly damaged after being occupied by Shaikha Khokhar in 1393 A.D.

Shaikha Khokhar (sometimes Sheikha or Shuja) was a chief of the Khokhars in the 14th and early 15th centuries and a contemporary of Tamerlane's invasions into Punjab. Shaikha occupied Lahore in 1393.



Monument of Timur (Tamerlane) in Tashkent.

'In Meantime Tamerlane marching from the north encamped outside Tulamba (October 13, 1398). After chastising some zamindars in the neighourhood and seizing a large number of cattle he passed on leaving the fort uncaptured. He then halted at Jal (or may be at a 'chal'or lake on the Bias 'opposite Shahpur' from which he marched out with a flying column to chastise Nusrat Khokhar who was encamped in swampy ground on the bank of the lake. The 'unsanctified Indians' being defeated and the 'God forsaken being slain', the army moved to Shahnawaz.

Jasrath Khokhar

Jasrath/Jasrat or Dashrath Khokhar was the son of Shaikha Khokhar and leader of the Khokhars in the 15th century.

On the death of Taimur, Jasrat escaped from prison, returned home and assumed the leadership of his tribe and set himself up at Sialkot. Intervening in the civil war in Kashmir between Ali Shah and Shahi Khan, while favouring the latter he gained immensely by his victory. Being enriched with wealth and equipment and fortified by the friendship of the new King of Kashmir, he conceived of conquering Delhi. The joining of Tughan Rais, after his defeat at the hands of Khizr Khan’s general, Zirak Khan, further strengthened his hands and emboldened him in his designs. Availing himself of the opportunity provided by the death of Khizr Khan, he crossed the Ravi, the Beas and the Satluj, swooped down upon the Governor of Ludhiana, Rai Kama-ud-Din Firoz Mian, at Talwandi, defeated him and drove him to the east. Encouraged by that victory, he ravaged the country as far as Rupar and, recrossing the Satluj, laid siege to Jullundur, worsted and imprisoned the Governor, Zirak Khan. From there, He marched on Sirhind, but the rains delayed his plan of conquest



Samarkand in Uzbekistan. Jasrath was captured and brought here after Shaikha Khokhar's defeat in 1398 AD:

In 1428 AD , The Mughal armies, under Shaikh Ali of Kabul, invaded and a contingent of Khokhars headed by 'ain-ud-din and malik abu-l-khair joined them at Talwara to guide them onwards.

He did not, however, live to see the fruition of his plan, for, in A.D. 1442, he was murdered by his queen to avenge the death of her Father, Rai Bhilam.

Grand-nephew of Jasrath Khokhar aligned with Mughal Emperor Akbar



Buland Darwaza built by emperor Akbar in 1602 A.D.

In the time of the Mughal Emperor Akbar, the Khokhars held portions of the Bari Doab, the Jullunder and Rachna Doabs, Multan and portions of Jammu and Sialkot, with a population estimated at 200,000 souls.:

"In March 1557, Akbar was at Delhi when the news reached that an instigation of Mulla Abdulla Sultanpuri and Sikandar Sur had descended upon the plains of Jalandhar Doab and had started collecting the revenue. In consequence, Akbar was sent in charge of Bairam Khan to the Punjab and advanced by way of Sirhind, Sultanpur and Hariana on Kalanaur, while Sikandar Sur withdrew to Mankot. The imperial forces immediately advanced through Jalandhar to the Shivalik Hills and encamped at Dasuya. The hill Rajas, who had sided with Sikandar Sur deserted him and submitted to Akbar. After receiving the submission of the Raja of Kangra, Akbar took up his residence at Jalandhar, where among others, Kamal Khan, a grandnephew of Jasrath Khokhar before mentioned, waited on him and was well received. Akbar was now called to the east to meet Hemu, and during his absence Sikandar Sur defeated Khizr Khan, Governor of Lahore, at Chamiari, which may be the village of that name in the extreme north of the Jalandhar District. This disaster necessitated the return of Akbar, who had defeated Hemu at Panipat."

From the 1882 census

Rose says that:

:"On the other hand in Shahpur the Bhat are divided into Bunjahis and Khokhars, the latter suggesting the Khokhrain group of the Khatris thus

Section of Khokhars - Gotra

Sigarre Kushab

Nadhipotre Bhardwaj

Apat Balash

Jain Vashisht

Titles

Malik is used by Khokhars and Khokhran, and refers to chiefs, primarily by Qutab-Shahi Khokhars who claim to be descendants of Qutab Shah. Chaudhry is used by Khokhars in parts of Punjab. Raja is used by many Khokhars, and is commonly used by Rajputs in Punjab. Rana is also commonly used by Rajputs in Punjab, and is used by Khokhars in central and eastern Punjab. Rai is also used.

Divisions

There are several sub-divisions of the Khokhar tribe, such as the Bandial, Bhachar, Dhaulka, Ganjial, Jalap, Majoka, Rawal, and Denaar.

The Punjab and it's surrounding areas in 1903. The historical home of the Khokhar clan.

Samarkand in Uzbekistan. Jasrath was captured and brought here after Shaikha Khokhar's defeat in 1398 AD

The Lahore Fort was badly damaged after being occupied by Shaikha Khokhar in 1393 A.D.

Coin of Mu'izzuddin Muhammad Bin Sam (Sultan Shahabuddin Muhammad Ghori), circa 1173-1206 , Issued from Delhi following coin typology of Prithviraja.