Pashtun Tahafuz Movement - Debunked.

[Kabira]

We should ask some Pakhtoons here how they think about @SherDil @RealNapster @Spring Onion

Well, strategy to defeat this

• Send all Afghan scumbags within 48 hrs....all no one should be spared
• Declare FATA a part of KPK with immediate affect
• Arrest all leadership of PTM and try them for treason based on this evidence
• Shut the filthy mouth of this ingrate bastard Ashraf Ghani by giving him a clear shut up call or dispatch a few janitors to clean this sewer.

1. Wishful thinking but Pakistan can do much more then its doing now to send them back.
2. This will be done after election.
3. PTM leaders pashteen and ali wazir sound like traitors from their speech's in jalsas. And clearly want anarchy in tribal areas so their business can prosper. But as long as they are just saying it nothing should be done.

Army should under no pressure ever get out of FATA. Never again FATA should become hub of smuggling, car theft, kidnappings, arm, drugs in best case scenario and in worst terrorist/taliban rule. Let them give threats of Bangladesh etc rather have Bangladesh then taliban ruling any area of Pakistan. Bangladesh is doing well since 1971.

 

[shahbaz baig]

I have a mixed view about PTM. When i see facebook videos of Pasheen he sounds calm and legit. He make good points. But when i see his speeches in jalsas thats something completely on 180 degree. You see, i don't want anyone to stop them so that they get no reason to turn this "yet peacefull" protest in violence. This was supposed to be a peacefull protest for the sake of realisation of problems and loopholes in our system in fata. Unfortunately its hijacked. But we should still deal it with care. If Ashraf ghani is posting something it doesn't't matter. His 'tweeter support' shouldn't turn us against pasheen. Some says achakzai is behind this person. So a common Pakistani like me will ask "why is achakzai in Balochistan assembly and national assembly then?". We should trial him na. If we can trial Prime minister and prove him guilty then why not achakzai ? You see, thats where we have to work. Killing the tail wont work everytime. We should go for the head of the snake.

Sure i want to throw out all afghan doesn't matter if he is Pashtoon or uzbek. As my country us not secured due to these namak-haram scumbags.



Pashtoon need freedom from Pakistan. India should send their ill-feeded hanuman army to save us. We will provide you original daal.



Why Manzoor pasheen have to see this ?
@war&peace now you see what i was talking about ? We are disowning our own. And then expect them to be obedient. This mentality, it kills.

Me apki post ko like karta agar ye pehle line na liki hoti.

mai apki khayalaat ki qadar krta hon.. Lakin mery lia mera pakistan pehly hai.. Or mai janna chahta hon k Aasal haqiqat kiya hai.. Or jesy jesy din guzar rhy hain mujhe PTM kr pasheen per shak hota jarha hai. PTM kuch demands bilkul durast hain or kuch demands bachkana hain.. Or mujhe dar hai k pakistan k dushmano ny iska faida outhana start kr diya hai.. PTM k jalsy mai ziada tar afghan refugees shirkat kr rhy hain or wo sary loog jo pakistan ki mukhalfat mai hamesha pesh pesh rehty hain wo sary loog ab PTM k pichy nazar arhy hain.. Ye koe mazaq nhi horha k pakistan sirf ye hoty howy dekhta rhy.. Or rahi baat manzoor pashteen dekhy ga ya nhi.. Lakin mai ny apni tarf sy 100 sy zaida videos per social media per wo mgs post kr chuka hon.. PTM ko samjhna hoga k agar wo pakistan k dushmano sy hath milata hai tuo pakistan ki Qoum os k sath nhi hogi

 

[RealNapster]

mai apki khayalaat ki qadar krta hon.. Lakin mery lia mera pakistan pehly hai.. Or mai janna chahta hon k Aasal haqiqat kiya hai.. Or jesy jesy din guzar rhy hain mujhe PTM kr pasheen per shak hota jarha hai. PTM kuch demands bilkul durast hain or kuch demands bachkana hain.. Or mujhe dar hai k pakistan k dushmano ny iska faida outhana start kr diya hai.. PTM k jalsy mai ziada tar afghan refugees shirkat kr rhy hain or wo sary loog jo pakistan ki mukhalfat mai hamesha pesh pesh rehty hain wo sary loog ab PTM k pichy nazar arhy hain.. Ye koe mazaq nhi horha k pakistan sirf ye hoty howy dekhta rhy.. Or rahi baat manzoor pashteen dekhy ga ya nhi.. Lakin mai ny apni tarf sy 100 sy zaida videos per social media per wo mgs post kr chuka hon.. PTM ko samjhna hoga k agar wo pakistan k dushmano sy hath milata hai tuo pakistan ki Qoum os k sath nhi hogi

Bhai ke khud is haq me hun kay Ya to Police ya phir PTM intizamia khud ye initiative le kay kahan b PTM ka jalsa jo wahan logo ko CNIC check karky janay dia jaaye. Is se ye hoga kay afghan attend nahe kar payn gy. Dekhy itny bary maslh ka itna simple hal. Aeve 100 jagho pe comment kar rahy ho ap. PTM agar behkna chaahy b to hamybusy nahe behekne dena hy. Bar bar usko apnaeyt ka ehsaas dilana hy. Usko RAW kay tatuo ki videos nahe dekhaane mery bhai.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Bhai ke khud is haq me hun kay Ya to Police ya phir PTM intizamia khud ye initiative le kay kahan b PTM ka jalsa jo wahan logo ko CNIC check karky janay dia jaaye. Is se ye hoga kay afghan attend nahe kar payn gy. Dekhy itny bary maslh ka itna simple hal. Aeve 100 jagho pe comment kar rahy ho ap. PTM agar behkna chaahy b to hamybusy nahe behekne dena hy. Bar bar usko apnaeyt ka ehsaas dilana hy. Usko RAW kay tatuo ki videos nahe dekhaane mery bhai.

Ok got it.i liked your idea about CNIC.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

its a great opportunity. avvail it and kick out afghans .

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes. Also Pakistan has traitors within politics, military, judiciary and media. They also need to be dealt with. The external enemy cannot do anything if it were not for internal corruption. I include media as well as this is part of the hydrid war in modern times

I agree.

We are disowning our own. And then expect them to be obedient. This mentality, it kills.

Well said. There is no need to get emotional. Matters between family members should be handled with care and attentiveness.

 

[RealNapster]

Well said. There is no need to get emotional. Matters between family members should be handled with care and attentiveness

Exactly. Even the pashtoon are/(can) handling him effectively. Just in the news Tribes in Kurram agency didn't't allowed PTM to gather due to this border situation. People came to roads in Peshawar and different parts of KP in support of State. Its not 2001 anymore. We have "reletive awareness" in people now. This movement (if based on lies and foreign agenda) will fail and die before exiting KP.

 

[TMA]

Exactly. Even the pashtoon are/(can) handling him effectively. Just in the news Tribes in Kurram agency didn't't allowed PTM to gather due to this border situation. People came to roads in Peshawar and different parts of KP in support of State. Its not 2001 anymore. We have "reletive awareness" in people now. This movement (if based on lies and foreign agenda) will fail and die before exiting KP.

انشاء الله

 

[Haris Mansoor]

When i see facebook videos of Pasheen he sounds calm and legit. He make good points. But when i see his speeches in jalsas thats something completely on 180 degree. You see, i don't want anyone to stop them so that they get no reason to turn this "yet peacefull" protest in violence. This was supposed to be a peacefull protest for the sake of realisation of problems and loopholes in our system in fata. Unfortunately its hijacked.

It is getting it violence from the continuous ignorance of govt toward them.

 

[RealNapster]

It is getting it violence from the continuous ignorance of govt toward them.

one of the many factors.

 

[shahbaz baig]

It is getting it violence from the continuous ignorance of govt toward them.

First of all tell me their demands if you are really interested..

 

[New World]

can anybody block this youtube channel..

 

[shahbaz baig]

It is getting it violence from the continuous ignorance of govt toward them.

Demands of Manzoor Pashteen

1. Abolition of Frontier Crimes Regulation. [not ok jb tak FATA ka merger KPK sy nhi hojata]
2. Removal of the security check posts. [totally unacceptable ]
3. Removal of Landmines in FATA alongside border. [unacceptable]
4. Release of All the prisoners and also those arrested under the collective responsibility clauses and other similar charges. [not ok.. jab tak judiciary justice nhi hota FATA mai or wo jabhi hoga jb FATA ko KPK mai Zam kiye jae]
5. The merger of FATA with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province which is Pushton dominated province. [highly needed]
6. There should be judiciary justice not the martial justice by army [ok with it]

@RealNapster

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It is right of Pakistani man to speak about stuff he saw in his community and it is up to government and offcials to understand what happened after the IDP incident and how these communities were effected

He is Pakistani man , we need to listen all his views as these are political awareness march
His story is that of a displaced person and how patriotic he has been and his family has been to Pakistan, his family members were people who freed Kashmir

His major problem starts from 2004-2005, when WOT pushed Afghan Terrorist into Pakistan

STORY OF IDP (DISPLACED PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR BUSINESS, FARM AND HOME). He is giving us ground reality view !!!! His community got caught between cross fire between Taiban and Pakistan's response to Kick out Talibans from Pakistan


His Main view is difficulty for his community after the Internally dispalaced people i.e problem re-establishing lives , jobs , farming , and housin. How various families lost their abilities to earn a honest living (their communities were not even connected to any Talibans)

• He spent 7 years as an IDP, his frustration is with excessive checkposts inside Pakistan or lost of his property and personal family belongingins and change of life. How his community's life changed after the IDP incident. If enemy is from Afganistan why is their community inside Pakistan treated with checkposts and change of life ?

• His real argument really is why his community was treated differently one moment they are told to gather their belongings and leave a zone, leave their homes and business and pack up and leave and live in Tents . When they come back now they are excessively searched and checked as if they are from Afghanistan ? And this EXTRA security is something which has bothered him

• His other argument is missing people ? No one know what happened to these people may be they moved to Afghanistan or were picked up by Talibans no one knows but there are Rumors at ground Level that these people are missing becasue they were picked up by Secret Agencies ????? Speculation

Ground realities view point (His views in Urdu). We need to understand the financial , economic loss and farming area lost by their community due to Afghan Terrorist war in their community

1 hour 1 vs 1 Smartphone video movie by the person explaining his point of view

Merely a person whose community who was effected by the Taliban incursion into Pakistan and retaliation effort by Pakistan army , becasue their nighbourhoods were effected by war

When Pakistan Launched a counter offensive , communities (in Pakistan) got effected on Pakistan's side and this his story !!

His story is about a Pakistani Community , effected by Taliaban war and how they were effected

His views are in simple Urdu so people can understand his problem from his community


We need an effort to understand the effected community problem and resolve this by dialog

What is needed in this time is as follow

#1 Launch an investigation to check the problems faced by this community in Pakistan , Immediate effect on emergency basis , Both Civilian / Military investigation

#2 Find out how the citizens in this region were doing after they tried to reestablish their lives after they returned to their homes (not being IDP)

#3 Give people of Pakistan 100% facts about what kind of Money and Support was given to the people of FATA community

#4 Setup secuity checks at Border with Afghanistan

#5 We need a response from Military to go into their community and tell them we are not kidnapping anyone. Setup a HOTLINE to help families whose family member becomes missing to find if the person went to Afghanistan or they are merely run away from home to find job

 

[Haris Mansoor]

First of all tell me their demands if you are really interested..

1-> Arrest Rao Anwar and carry out judicial trial Arrested
2-> All Pakistanis are banned to go to FATA, only watan card holder can go there --> Remove this ban. Partially removed
3 -> Remove land mines planted by TTP in many areas before Zarb-e-Azb, Removal started in some areas.
4 -> Stop abusing locals on check posts (they are not demanding to remove check posts, just stop the bad behavior, the guards had with passer) -> unpredictable, sometime good sometime bad
5 -> there are some 8000 persons that are abducted by army, they are not presented in any court. present these persons in front of courts, if they are guilty, punish them, if not, release them.

(round about 250 are released, without presenting them in court, which shows they were innocent and was illegally held by Army)