Parsis proud of the their Pakistani identity - BBCURDU

[SarthakGanguly]

conditions between India and Pak will not

Of course. One has to cease to exist for that to happen...

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Not really just 1-2 anti nationalists like @padamchen who need to be brought back to reality.

so anyone who dont support the Bakhtology is anti-nationalist according to the Indian neo Nazis

 

[padamchen]

I dont see Pakistan ceasing to exist so

Please take your Butt Bromance to another thread.

Parsis on either side have nothing to do with that.

Cheers, Doc

 

[war&peace]

Bro atash parast is a derogatory term used by Arabs for the then still stubbornly Zoroastrian Persians. Which is used till today in a derogatory manner for those they could not conquer spiritually.

Cheers, Doc

With all due respect, it cannot possibly be an Arabic term. There is no "p" or "پ" letter/sound in Arabic. This is, in fact, a Persian term since both words are Persian. And I don't see Arabs being able to even pronounce it properly. They will say "Atish barast". Furthermore, if you know about the historical rivalry between the Arabs and Persians, Arabs will never use a Persian term rather they have ample selection of Arabic terms at their disposal.

my two cents..

cheers,
W&P

 

[padamchen]

With all due respect, it cannot possibly be an Arabic term. There is no "p" or "پ" letter/sound in Arabic. This is, in fact, a Persian term since both words are Persian. And I don't see Arabs being able to even pronounce it properly. They will say "Atish barast". Furthermore, if you know about the historical rivalry between the Arabs and Persians, Arabs will never use a Persian term rather they have ample selection of Arabic terms at their disposal.

my two cents..

cheers,
W&P

Yes you are right.

It is a derogatory term used by Arabified Persian converts for their people who defiantly refused to.

A lot of Atash Gahs in Iran were actually defiled, desecrated and destroyed by Muslim Persian converts. More Arab than the Arabs.

To the extent that soon Zoroastrian Persians would use decoy Afarganyus in non sanctified parts to confuse the defilers, while the main Atash would be protected elsewhere.

That is the reality.

Cheers, Doc

 

[war&peace]

If the conditions improve in Pakistan

Conditions between Pakistan and India will improve eventually because they at the lowest since a long time...So with regime change in India and Pakistan. Relations will become better slowly.

Yes you are right.

It is a derogatory term used by Arabified Persian converts for their people who defiantly refused to.

A lot of Atash Gahs in Iran were actually defiled, desecrated and destroyed by Muslim Persian converts. More Arab than the Arabs.

That is the reality.

Cheers, Doc

That's an unfortunate part of the history. BTW, just out of curiosity, what do the Parsis believe in?... Are they Christian? or they have some of their own religion.

cheers,
W&P

Afarganyus

What does it mean? Sorry for my poor knowledge about the Parsis.
cheers.
W&P

 

[padamchen]

Conditions between Pakistan and India will improve eventually because they at the lowest since a long time...So with regime change in India and Pakistan. Relations will become better slowly.



That's an unfortunate part of the history. BTW, just out of curiosity, what do the Parsis believe in?... Are they Christian? or they have some of their own religion.

cheers,
W&P


What does it mean? Sorry for my poor knowledge about the Parsis.
cheers.
W&P

Afarganyus are the huge copper/silver fire vases in which the holy Atash (fire) is housed. On a silver tray. With precisely placed sandalwood logs. Within the central sanctum sanctorum of the Agyari or Atash Behram / Gah (Fire Temple).

We are not Christians.

We are Zoroastrians. Or Zarthustis. The religion is called Zoroastrianism. The ancient faith of Persia. Or E'ran. Now Iran.

Cheers, Doc

 

[war&peace]

Afarganyus are the huge silver fire vases in which the holy Atash (fire) is housed. On a silver tray. With precisely placed sandalwood logs. Within the central sanctum sanctorum of the Agiyari or Atash Behram / Gah.

We are not Christians.

We are Zoroastrians. Or Zarthustis. The religion is called Zoroastrianism. The ancient faith of Persia. Or E'ran. Now Iran.

Cheers, Doc

Okay thanks. It is totally new info for me. So what I'm getting is that fire has some religious importance for Parsis. Am I right? Now do they worship fire or it is some kind of symbolism ?

Oh this perhaps clears a few things for me.
I had a an Irani girl classmate during my MS in Propulsion and we had an elective subject called "Theory of Combustion" and she declined to take the course and I was really surprised since she was good at studies. Does it has to do something with the religion? I never had a religious discussion with her but she was very westernised, a very untypical of Irani people living in Iran.

cheers,
W&P

 

[padamchen]

Okay thanks. It is totally new info for me. So what I'm getting is that fire has some religious importance for Parsis. Am I right? Now do they worship fire or it is some kind of symbolism ?

Oh this perhaps clears a few things for me.
I had a an Irani girl classmate during my MS in Propulsion and we had an elective subject called "Theory of Combustion" and she declined to take the course and I was really surprised since she was good at studies. Does it has to do something with the religion? I never had a religious discussion with her but she was very westernised, a very untypical of Irani people living in Iran.

cheers,
W&P

There is a thread here on Parsis and Zoroastrianism. It should hopefully answer all your questions. Search for India's vanishing Parsis.

Cheers, Doc

@war&peace

@Cthulhu

@Kaptaan

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indias-vanishing-parsis.205630/

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Doc

 

[war&peace]

There is a thread here on Parsis and Zoroastrianism. It should hopefully answer all your questions. Search for India's vanishing Parsis.

Cheers, Doc

@war&peace

@Cthulhu

@Kaptaan

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indias-vanishing-parsis.205630/

Hope this helps.

Cheers, Doc

Thanks..threads normally don't help especially when I see so much pink color on the right side of the page . I was just a little curious to know about Parsis. I'll read about it when I get time
cheers,
W&P

 

[padamchen]

Thanks..threads normally don't help especially when I see so much pink color on the right side of the page . I was just a little curious to know about Parsis. I'll read about it when I get time
cheers,
W&P

The pink on the right side of the page is politics of forums over time.

Nothing to do with the knowledge within.

Cheers, Doc

 

[defence_analyst]

Are parsis pure persians or have they mixed with the surrounding people?

They have mixed as one can see from how they look. But caste system also allowed them to not look madrasis like most Indians. TBH Pakistani gujarati muslims people don't look madrasis, few I came across in last few days on news media and likely belong to gujju trading castes. But I doubt high caste gujaratis would marry parsis so they likely married some madrasi dalit patel types from Gujarat when they moved in. It all depend on who you mix with.

 

[war&peace]

The pink on the right side of the page is politics of forums over time.

Nothing to do with the knowledge within.

Cheers, Doc

Makes sense..

cheers,
W&P

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Sadly India's good minorities- the Parsis, Jews, Armenians, Anglos- they are all dying out....

Regards

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Who gives a shit?