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this time we are witnessing a intelligent NRO ,it will look justice but indeed a a NRO rapped in paper of Justice,now Nawaz gets a relief AAz will cry on this and will join Imran to put pressure ultimately someone will advise our so called honest establishment that it will be injustice and brutal to pressurise the ppp only,so establishment will say ok we don't want Provincial discrimination and differences,so in greater interest of the nation we will be quite on AAz too ,just go to courts and buy some relief and after some days topi drama each and every looter will be as pure and pavitar as the Angles are ,this is made in Rawalpindi dry clean system ,soon dawn leaks will also be settled, status cou continues, innocent and Poor's and patriotic youth will continue to sacrifice their lives for dear motherland,and these ugly fat dum corrupt generals judges politicians will continue to enjoy the pleasure of life and most of the Sain peoples will be increasingly visiting psychiatrist's
 
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@Saif-ud-Din Qutuz Ok assume that there was no IK right now and there are only 2 ruling parties,pmln and ppp which you'll agree with me are all about noora kushti.. now do you know what the biggest problem of pakistan is??? It is corruption.so if there were only ppp and pmln, they would only label each other corrupt and never take the other to court. Now imran khan took them to the courts and exposed them in a real manner and there a chances that court will disqualify NS after 2 months which will be a trendsetter.... but if the courts remain nonfunctional and keep working under the 'doctrine of necessity ' ,and the ignorant awam keep voting for these b*s*a*d*s sharif ,thenIk to kiya quaid e azam wapis ajaen to phir bhi kuch nhi hona ...and stop talking about these petty issues such as loadshedding etc ; jab merit ata hai to everything falls into place and if you want to see merit in an institution in pak, go to shaukat khanum and see for yourself...and i will always go for the lesser evil; imran is wayyyyy better than for my country this ali baba and chalis chor corrupt tola...and struggle has no time frame . I was so hopeless yesterday but i have realised that one should be an idealist at heart....


Yes something of this has happened indeed .. but how does harron rasheed know this beforehand? This gives reason to the fact that there might be some samjhota.
I agree with you. I've never denied that Imran Khan might be, might be a selfless leader. However, his political wisdom is questionable. At the end of the day he is cricketer turned politician. I've seen him being outsmarted by Noora so many times that it makes me sick. Believe it or not, the verdict you guys are counting on will be another topi on the head of Imran. Its just too easy for Noora to make Imran a mamoon. He has never achieved anything from his protests. By now, he should have been able to compare KPK with rest of Pakistan. He should have been in the position to say, look;

1) The load shedding in Pakistan is averaged at around 10-12 hours whereas, in KPK its only 3-4 hours.
2) We've constructed 2 dams which would mean more fertile land in KPK for agriculture.

This is what a person like me was expecting from Imran. He simply doesn't have any of that. Which makes me wonder, what KPK government has been doing all these 4 years? Chasing Noora, for what? Any break-through? Believe it or not, Hashmi was a booby-trap set by Noora for Imran to make him Mamoon. What about his wife? C'mon man, it makes me sad. He lacks sound decision making. He can't talk openly against TTP. He says lets go for dialogue. Is he a kind of leader we need? negotiations with traitors? Is it good?

this time we are witnessing a intelligent NRO ,it will look justice but indeed a a NRO rapped in paper of Justice,now Nawaz gets a relief AAz will cry on this and will join Imran to put pressure ultimately someone will advise our so called honest establishment that it will be injustice and brutal to pressurise the ppp only,so establishment will say ok we don't want Provincial discrimination and differences,so in greater interest of the nation we will be quite on AAz too ,just go to courts and buy some relief and after some days topi drama each and every looter will be as pure and pavitar as the Angles are ,this is made in Rawalpindi dry clean system ,soon dawn leaks will also be settled, status cou continues, innocent and Poor's and patriotic youth will continue to sacrifice their lives for dear motherland,and these ugly fat dum corrupt generals judges politicians will continue to enjoy the pleasure of life and most of the Sain peoples will be increasingly visiting psychiatrist's
I agree with you, as is. At the end of the day, its all about generals, judiciary elites, politicians, bureaucrats etc. Common men are for sacrifices and that's it. People like you and me, work their *** out, pay lofty taxes for these goons to have luxurious life. The moment these loons see us enjoying same luxuries, they screw us with more taxes. They have NAB and FIA on our a$$e$. This ruling pig elite of Pakistan is a cancer. Unfortunately, Imran is part of it. He listens to what establishment says. He doesn't do what nation wants, what Pakistan needs. He listens to establishment and gets indulged in back-door reconciliation for personal interests.
 
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@Guvera @PakSword @Verve @Arsalan

PTI, Sheikh Rashid, and JI are doing consultations, for whether to go in appeal, against the judgment..or not? I think their plea, will be suspend the PM before any JIT starts its work...or tht we dont want JIT, rather a judicial commission........ Do u think, its a wise decision?

I dont think...its a wise decision..because I read a judgment by Justice Khosa in his book, where he said tht u should file appeal in such cases, only if u have some additional material/evidence relating to the case, which was not available earlier.. Otherwise, it amounts to review or hearing the same case, all over again, which is well beyond the scope of appeal in 184/3 .....as scope of this appeal is very limited.. So Justice Khosa dismissed tht petition... The only good thing.is tht appeal is before the same bench,..however since, its scope is extremely limited, seldom there is any change in the decision... Even Hamid Khan of Pti says tht we should not go for appeal..because courts very rarely provides any relief or changes the decision..

I think if PTI goes for appeal..even Justice Khosa will dismiss the petition saying..its beyond the scope of appeal....as theres nothing new....so why give PML N another chance of fake celebrations?

Also as much as I think, tht JIT is useles....let this matter be done with...in 60 days.. If they go in appeal, it will only waste time..and there will be unnecessary delay....to no avail..as there are high chances tht appeal petition will be dismissed... So why. give Nawaz Sharif more time? Whatever has to be done..get it done within 60 days..even if its clean chit for NS
 
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Panama faislay mein baad mein aik Judge ne apni raye change ki hai - Haroon Rasheed reveals

https://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthr...pni-raye-change-ki-hai-Haroon-Rasheed-reveals

@PakSword @Guvera @QatariPrince

Is mulk main kuch bhi ho sakta hai, main ne morning main kaha tha na ke kuch Judges ne apna future bananay ki aik bhondi koshish ki hai.

@Guvera @PakSword @Verve @Arsalan

PTI, Sheikh Rashid, and JI are doing consultations, for whether to go in appeal, against the judgment..or not? I think their plea, will be suspend the PM before any JIT starts its work...or tht we dont want JIT, rather a judicial commission........ Do u think, its a wise decision?

I dont think...its a wise decision..because I read a judgment by Justice Khosa in his book, where he said tht u should file appeal in such cases, only if u have some additional material/evidence relating to the case, which was not available earlier.. Otherwise, it amounts to review or hearing the same case, all over again, which is well beyond the scope of appeal in 184/3 .....as scope of this appeal is very limited.. So Justice Khosa dismissed tht petition... The only good thing.is tht appeal is before the same bench,..however since, its scope is extremely limited, seldom there is any change in the decision... Even Hamid Khan of Pti says tht we should not go for appeal..because courts very rarely provides any relief or changes the decision..

I think if PTI goes for appeal..even Justice Khosa will dismiss the petition saying..its beyond the scope of appeal....as theres nothing new....so why give PML N another chance of fake celebrations?

Also as much as I think, tht JIT is useles....let this matter be done with...in 60 days.. If they go in appeal, it will only waste time..and there will be unnecessary delay....to no avail..as there are high chances tht appeal petition will be dismissed... So why. give Nawaz Sharif more time? Whatever has to be done..get it done within 60 days..even if its clean chit for NS

Even GodFather Abbu is thinking about going for appeal, the consultation is going on lol
 
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@Saif-ud-Din Qutuz.. with due respect i shall have to disagree and i look at it this way; all his movements everything in these past few years were to wake our jahil awam from the slumbers. Yes i know that he is not a politician and more of a professor but that is one thing i admire in him.He doesn't recognize nawaz's games because he is not a sazishi himself and wants to come into power only through struggle and he doesn't care if it takes 15 more years.if power was his only ambition, he would have been the prime minister already but to what use?.... as far as ttp goes, how can you assume that he wants a dialogue(not negotiations)because he is afraid of them?.......and I think you have never been to kp have you? My uncle is a serving colonel in cmh peshawar and he says that health department and police have improved a lot; ill remind you about this when the mashal qatal case report comes.and keep in mind the first term of pti ever in power and IK is not the cm.... all in all, i think only time will tell who was better for pakistan.
 
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Shall I open a new thread when you've all the stats? Does that make sense? Forget about my entrepreneurial brain, I'm sure you can't be an entrepreneur even if provided with 100 lives lol... To cut the long story short, you yourself aren't aware of the stats hence you're trying to run away by saying open a new thread. What a joke, I'm glad you support PTI, which has many supporters like you that's why they were under-achievers, they're under-achievers and they'll remain under-achievers. Enough for today, right? Go have a cold shower, it'll make you feel good.
pls keep discussion healthy guys
 
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Is mulk main kuch bhi ho sakta hai, main ne morning main kaha tha na ke kuch Judges ne apna future bananay ki aik bhondi koshish ki hai.

I dont know...ke agar waqayi faisla change kiya hai....tu neeyat main kharabi thee..ya koi genuine cheez thee?

As PakSword said in the morning, tht theres news speculation, whoch cant be authenticated yet...tht two of those judges, in the majority verdict..wanted suspension of PM before JIT ...however they tried to convince Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar,,but they were not ready to go below disqualification... So they went with the other one...where they had to settle for even a lesser verdict.....otherwise the verdict would have been 2-2-1

IF THIS STORY is by any chance true....phir ye neeyat ki kharabi nahi hui, ke woh bik gaye. Rather .its just tht they went along with the verdict..which was more similar to their own..
 
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Justice Gulzar Ahmad, a future chief justice of Pakistan, in his dissenting note has declared Nawaz Sharif has not been Honest and Ameen in terms of Article 62(1)(f) of the Constitution rendering him disqualified from holding the office of a Member of the National Assembly and ceasing to be the Prime Minister of Pakistan.

During the course of arguments, Justice Gulzar says that Nawaz Sharif adopted to remain evasive and this attitude of the Respondent-1 before the highest court of the country did not appear to be justified or bona fide rather its purpose appears to throw the court in altogether a dark alley where it is left groping without realising that this very act of his will cast a substantial shadow upon him, more so when the court is considering the very question of his being Honest and Ameen in holding office of the Member of National Assembly and the Prime Minister of Pakistan.

Justice Gulzar came up with his dissenting note with edifice of arguments based on fundamental rights and Article 62 and 63 of the Constitution saying: “The people of Pakistan have a fundamental right under the Constitution to know about the standing of their chosen representative and the Prime Minister vis-à-vis his connection with the four London Flats which has so much been highlighted in the print and electronic media not only in Pakistan but all over the world. The prime minister of Iceland was named in the Panama Papers so also the Spanish industry minister and prime minister of Ukraine as they all have resigned from their offices owing to the leaks. The British prime minister so also the president of Russian Federation, who were named in Panama Papers, have stated their positions and got themselves cleared. Against many other functionaries of the world, matters on the basis of Panama Papers are stated to be pending. Such major scandalous news needed a careful and very thoughtful consideration and to me, Nawaz Sharif ought to have given all details regarding the ownership of four London Flats, more over when the same being in his own personal knowledge as he has claimed to have purchased the four London Flats.”

Mr Justice says: “I, however, note with dismay that Nawaz Sharif did not make a clean breast and provided nothing to the court where it could have fairly concluded that yes, Nawaz Sharif had nothing to do with these four London Flats.”

According to the dissenting note, during the course of arguments, it was contended by Shahid Hamid, learned Senior ASC so also by Salman Akram Raja, learned ASC that both Nescoll and Nielsen have issued one Bearer Certificate each of $1 each and custodian of these Bearer Share Certificate was the owner of the two companies and owner of the properties comprising four London Flats. In this respect the Nescoll Limited is issued Bearer Certificate No 1, number of shares 1 per value of $1 dated 29.04.1993, a photocopy of which has been filed at page 69 of CMA No7531 of 2016 filed by Muhammad Akram Sheikh, learned Senior ASC for respondents No 6 to 8. At page 65 of this very Civil Miscellaneous Applications, there is Bearer Certificate No 1, number of shares 1 par value of $1 dated 22.11.1994 issued in respect of Nielsen Enterprises Limited. It was contended by the learned ASC for the respondents that these were the only Bearer Share Certificates issued by the two companies and their bearer was the owner of the two companies so also the owner of four London Flats. In this very CMA it was claimed that both these Bearer Share Certificates were cancelled and registered shares were issued i.e. two shares of Nescoll Limited Share Certificate No 2, number of share 1 of $1 dated 04.07.2006 issued to Minerva Nominees Limited and Share Certificate Number 3, number of share 1 of $1 dated 04.07.2006 to Minerva Services Limited. Yet again two shares of Nescoll Limited of $1 each are issued to Trustees Services Corporation on 09.06.2014. As regards Nielsen Enterprises Limited Share Certificate No2, number of share 1 of $1 was issued to Minerva Nominees Limited on 04.07.2006 and Certificate No.3, number of share 1 of $1 was issued to Minerva Services Limited on 04.07.2006. Two shares of Nielsen Enterprises Limited of $1 each are issued to Trustee Services Corporation on 09.01.2014.

Justice Gluzar mentions that it is worth to point out here that there existed one Bearer Share Certificate each of the two companies, however, in 2006, each of the company is shown to have two share certificates each registered in the name of companies, noted above. “This anomaly of increase in the number of shares of the two companies is not explained,” he argues. Further, Mr Justice finds that the Bearer Share Certificates of the two companies separately mentioned authorised capital of each of the company to be $50,000 divided into $50,000 shares of par value $1 each. He also pinpointed that no record is made available on the basis of which it can be ascertained as to what number of shares in each of the company were issued either bearer or registered.”

The Bearer Share Certificate of Nescoll Limited is dated 29.04.1993 while that of Nielsen Enterprises Limited is dated 22.01.1994 Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and his family does not claim that these Bearer Share Certificates were in their custody from their respective dates. Prince Al-Thani of Qatar, in his two statements, has not said that the Bearer Share Certificates of the two companies were in the custody of Al-Thani family or that of himself. So from 1993/94 to 2006 nobody has come before us claiming custody of two Bearer Share Certificates. What does this mean? It cannot, however, be said that the two Bearer Share Certificates of the two companies were not in the custody of someone. Who that someone could be?

“Overall circumstance leads only to Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and his family, who are in possession and occupation of the four London Flats from the dates of Bearer Share Certificates and as per their own admission, are paying rents and all charges of the four London Flats including that of maintenance.”

“Being in possession and occupation of the said four London Flats and by paying their dues and maintaining them like an owner does, it heavily rested upon Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif to explain in a very clear and unambiguous terms with supporting material about his and his family connection with the four London Flats, more over when he himself from his own mouth stated that he has nothing to hide and that there are all records available with him.” “This was an obligation cast upon him and duty towards the people of Pakistan, who had Fundamental Right to know about the standing of their chosen representative and Prime Minister of Pakistan which is also a question of great public importance,” Justice Gulzar maintained.

“He, when called upon by the highest Court of the country to explain, what Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif chose was to remain silent and gave bare statement that he is not owner of the four London Flats and of the two offshore companies.”

“This evasive attitude of Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif, more over before the highest Court of the country, to me, did not appear to be justified or bona fide rather its purpose appears to throw the court in altogether a dark alley where it is left groping without realising that this very act of his will cast a substantial shadow upon him, more over when the court is considering the very question of his being Honest and Ameen in holding office of the Member of National Assembly and the Prime Minister of Pakistan,: Justice Gulzar Ahmad argues.

Mr Justice also says: “This court under Article 184(3) of the Constitution has all the jurisdiction to give any sort of declaration and to pass any consequential order that may be the need of the case which may arise out of any of the given facts and circumstances.”

Justice Gulzar says that this Supreme Court while dealing with Constitution Petition under Article 184(3) of the Constitution neither acts as a Civil Court conducting trial of the case nor does it act as a criminal court conducting trial of an accused person in a criminal offence rather the court purely decide such Constitution Petition on matters and facts stated and brought before this Court purely on the basis of constitutional provision that being a case of public importance with reference to enforcement of Fundamental Rights as conferred in Chapter 1 Part II of the Constitution.”

He also argued saying: “To me, there was a duty cast upon Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif as holder of Public Office to satisfy this Court and the Nation of the country, which being their Fundamental Right about the true facts regarding four London Flats, which he miserably failed to do so and thus what emerges is that he has not been Honest and Ameen in terms of Article 62(1)(f) of the Constitution.”

Being faced with this scenario, the honorable Justice says, the court cannot be expected to sit as a toothless body and become a mere spectator but it has to rise above screen of technicalities and to give positive verdict for meeting the ends of justice and also to safeguard the Fundamental Rights of the people of Pakistan.

The dissenting note also mentions that on termination of the ownership of Gulf Steel Mills and sale of its remaining 25 percent shares in 1980 there is lull in between of almost 21 years, when in 2001 Al-Azizia Steel Mills is said to have been established in Jeddah. It was asserted by Hussain Nawaz Sharif in his interview dated 07.03.2016 that he had no treasure when he came to Saudi Arabia and no funds were available, he has drawn on two sources; one that of foreign friends from whom loans were obtained and secondly the loans obtained from Saudi Banks for establishing Al-Azizia Steel Mills.

Now, as the case has been put up before the court, there was a treasure trove of Dirhams 12 million available to Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and his family but why this treasure trove was not tapped, it could be inferred and inferred well that it did not exist. Be that as it may, admittedly Al-Azizia Steel Mills was sold in the year 2005 for an amount of $17 million. What happened to its own loans and how they were paid, nothing is said about them. It may be relevant here to mention as a fact that Hussain Nawaz Sharif, the first son of Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif was born on 01.05.1972 and the daughter Maryam Safdar on 28.10.1973 while Hassan Nawaz Sharif the other son was born on 21.01.1976. It is obvious from these dates of their birth that when Gulf Steel Mills was established none of the above named three children was major. At the best Hussain Nawaz Sharif the eldest son must be a suckling child yet again when 75 percent shares of Gulf Steel Mills were sold and thereafter in 1980 the remaining 25 percent shares were sold still all the three above named children were minors and of tender ages. It is admitted that Hussain Nawaz Sharif went to London in 1992 for the purpose of his education while Hassan Nawaz Sharif went to London in 1993/94 for his education purpose. It is admitted that both the sons of Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif had occupied the London Flats while they were purely students.
 
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Pti should stick to the decision of the court on JIT and show trust in the courts for the said time limit.reviewing the decision will only waste time and everyone knows that nawaz will not rrsign.. morever, dgispr has tweeted that isi will be completely impartial in the investigation, so The petitioners must wait for another 2 months.
 
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Even GodFather Abbu is thinking about going for appeal, the consultation is going on lol

I am sure, Nawaz Sharif is going to decide against appeal eventually... Because his legal team wil tell him the scope, of this..and tell him..tht very seldom..court changes the decision...and its possible only when u have some additional documents/evidence to present.. And we know tht he has none.. Infact theres a possiblity, he might get even harsher remarks against him,.as judges will ask..tht since u have gone for appeal..u should have some additional material with you...and when he wont..i think one of majority judges might change his decision, and give it against him, too.... lolll

Infact theres still a slim of IK winning, on the ground tht its only on mode of investigation..not the judgment itself....Even still i doubt tht IK is going to get any relief.in appeal...but sharif family has absolutely no chance... So PML N will never go for appeal
 
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just wondering when the dog will be dragged out of the well
abi tu sirf dool per dool nikaley jah rein hain
pani ko paak aur saaf karney kee lye.
 
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I dont know...ke agar waqayi faisla change kiya hai....tu neeyat main kharabi thee..ya koi genuine cheez thee?

As PakSword said in the morning, tht theres news speculation, whoch cant be authenticated yet...tht two of those judges, in the majority verdict..wanted suspension of PM before JIT ...however they tried to convince Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar,,but they were not ready to go below disqualification... So they went with the other one...where they had to settle for even a lesser verdict.....otherwise the verdict would have been 2-2-1

IF THIS STORY is by any chance true....phir ye neeyat ki kharabi nahi hui, ke woh bik gaye. Rather .its just tht they went along with the verdict..which was more similar to their own..

Its not about 2-2-1 its the judgement itself look abrupt and not making sense at all other than the two dissenting notes, i mean all other 3 judges cursed FBR, NAB, FIA and categorically mentioned them as failures and yet they end up making JIT having a member of all these institutions, and wht abt Pakora's judgement ? its not even worth reading
 
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Its not about 2-2-1 its the judgement itself look abrupt and not making sense at all other than the two dissenting notes, i mean all other 3 judges cursed FBR, NAB, FIA and categorically mentioned them as failures and yet they end up making JIT having a member of all these institutions, and wht abt Pakora's judgement ? its not even worth reading

Yes..maybe thats the reason..two judges wanted suspension of PM, before JIT starts its work.. BUT we cant even say..if teh story is true or not? I am only saying this on the assumption, if its true..

But yes..you are right....the JIT doesnt make any sense really.. Because i remember, in the second last hearing...Attorney general asked to send this case to a session court..to which J ustice Khosa replied..tht do u think..material which isnt being provided to the SC...will be provided to sessions court? This is the reason..Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar didnt go the JIT route.. Even if he has asked for initiating of cases aginst PM, and Ishaq Dar in NAB ..he has done tht after disqualifying the PM, and taking all powers form Chairman NAB, incases against PM...

So I absolutely see no logic..why did the majority judges think..tht material which was not provided to SC..wil be provided to JIT?
 
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