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@PakSword @Emmie @Arsalan @The Accountant

Ek cheez mujhe samajh nahi aayi.. 10th july ko jo SC ne kaha tha, IB se..ke woh bhi apna reply submit karein (on JIT's application) aur PML N leaders ki speeches ke jo transcripts maangay thay..un sab ka kia hua? In issues par tu koi hearing ho nahi rahi.. JIT ki application bhi abhi tak conclude nahi hui..uska verdict nahi ayaa..jaisy Hussain Nawaz ki application ka aaya tha.. Kia SC, IB walay issue ko..aur PML N leaders ki speeches ko bhool gayi hai? Kia hua inn sab ka?
 
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@PakSword @Emmie @Arsalan @The Accountant

Ek cheez mujhe samajh nahi aayi.. 10th july ko jo SC ne kaha tha, IB se..ke woh bhi apna reply submit karein (on JIT's application) aur PML N leaders ki speeches ke jo transcripts maangay thay..un sab ka kia hua? In issues par tubkoi hearing ho nahi rahi.. JIT ki application bhi abhi tak conclude nahi hui..uska verdict nahi ayaa..jaisy Hussain Nawaz ki application ka aaya tha.. Kia SC, IB walay issue ko..aur PML N leaders ki speeches ko bhool gayi hai? Kia hua inn sab ka?
Mera nahi khayal k wo bholy hon gy lekin agr ab in muamlat ko bhi cher len to bohot zyada bojh par jay ga un pr.

Jesy Geo wala case ab agy chal raha h esy hi shayad baad m in chizon ko bhi aik k baad aik kr k chalain.
 
I concur with your observation and I am of the exactly same view ...



@PakSword

But I have one reservation here , why IK is not providing source of fund details to ECP ? If nothing wrong then there is no issue in sharing the details ...

There is nothing wrong with PTI's funds details. All the details have already been provided.

There are two issues:

1 - Laws prohibit from receiving funds from a foreign incorporated company.
2 - Laws prohibit from receiving funds from foreign nationals.

In US, it is against the local US laws to fund a foreign political/ religious/ philanthropy institutions by individuals directly. So any overseas Pakistani, who sends money to Pakistan, deposits it into the account of locally reincorporated non-for-profit organization, and from this organization it's transferred to Pakistan.

PTI submitted the audited accounts of that US incorporated company to ECP before 2013 elections, and ECP gave the party clearance and issued them with the election symbol. These audited accounts included details of the donors, their nationalities, etc. Some of the receipts were in the name of non-Muslims. One receipt was from another US company. All these details were provided to ECP, PTI didn't hide anything.. From those details, Neefa Podri identified these names of individuals and companies and filed a reference in SC that PTI is getting funds from a foreign incorporated companies and foreign nationals.

According to law, PTI was wrong when it received funds from a foreign incorporated organization, but election commission should have objected when they filed these details before 2013 elections.

Secondly, about the foreign nationals, many are of Pakistani origin, one or couple are foreign nationals of Indian origin (hindus) but their wives are of Pakistani origin, that's why they paid. About the company which donated, one of the partner is a Pakistani and he donated the money from the companies account from his share of earnings.

Everything has been provided. The background of the foreign nationals have also been provided. You know it is not easy to get hold of people who donated in 2012/13 but still PTI is contacting them and getting further details, although most of the details were audited by a foreign firm and report submitted to ECP..

Abb mujhay batao ke kia disqualification of party banti hai?

One more thing. PTI incorporated the company in a country where it is required by law. What about PMLN, which incorporated company in UK to receive and launder funds, even when it is not required by law in UK? This is PTI's question to which SC/ ECP hasn't responded back..

CJ ke Jehangir Tareen case main bilkol different tarah k remarks aarahay hain...IK ke case se....

Sirf IK ne inn ki dinki car torr di thi bachpan main.. baqion se koi shikayat nahi hai CJ ko..

@PakSword @Emmie @Arsalan @The Accountant

Ek cheez mujhe samajh nahi aayi.. 10th july ko jo SC ne kaha tha, IB se..ke woh bhi apna reply submit karein (on JIT's application) aur PML N leaders ki speeches ke jo transcripts maangay thay..un sab ka kia hua? In issues par tubkoi hearing ho nahi rahi.. JIT ki application bhi abhi tak conclude nahi hui..uska verdict nahi ayaa..jaisy Hussain Nawaz ki application ka aaya tha.. Kia SC, IB walay issue ko..aur PML N leaders ki speeches ko bhool gayi hai? Kia hua inn sab ka?

Inn sab ki hearing hogi.. aik do din main jaisay hi Panama ka faisla aajata hai.. main ne aisa hi suna hai.. Specially, they have again started threatening the JIT members..

what remarks were given by CJP ??
 
@PakSword @Emmie @Arsalan @The Accountant

Ek cheez mujhe samajh nahi aayi.. 10th july ko jo SC ne kaha tha, IB se..ke woh bhi apna reply submit karein (on JIT's application) aur PML N leaders ki speeches ke jo transcripts maangay thay..un sab ka kia hua? In issues par tubkoi hearing ho nahi rahi.. JIT ki application bhi abhi tak conclude nahi hui..uska verdict nahi ayaa..jaisy Hussain Nawaz ki application ka aaya tha.. Kia SC, IB walay issue ko..aur PML N leaders ki speeches ko bhool gayi hai? Kia hua inn sab ka?
Probably supreme court has ignored those and rightly sso because so SC cannot take care of everything at this point of time ...

Remember how defensive SC was while dealing with MSR ... tthey had to remind again and again that we are not against freedom of press ...

Any action against Jew TV will bring international as well after all they are agents of international powers ... its tough war and we have to work on battle by battle not all the battles be engaged simultaneously ...
 
Inn sab ki hearing hogi.. aik do din main jaisay hi Panama ka faisla aajata hai.. main ne aisa hi suna hai.. Specially, they have again started threatening the JIT members..

Pehle tu dekhtay hain ke is week panama case ka faisla aata bhi hai ya nahi? Mera khyal hai ke aaj raat tak supplementary cause list aa jani chahye...agar Fri ko verdict aana hai tu... Last time bhi 2 days pehle supplementary cause list aayi thee..Lekin aisa lag nahi raha mujhe ke itna jaldi aa sakta hai.. Hopefully I am wrong.. Ch Ghulam Hussain keh rahay hain tu koi news tu hogi hi...ke panama ka verdict is week aasakta hai.. Lekin ab jab Dr dhabardoos ne bhi keh diya..is se mujhe shak hai ...ke is week aasakta hai? Dr dhabardoos ne keh diya ke is week aasakta hai..tu matlba sirf rumors hongi aur sensationalism..

Agar aa bhi jata hai panama case ka verdict..is week...tu ab tu SC ki vacations aarahi hain.. Vacations ke baad tak tu SC..IB walay issue aur PML N leaders ki speeches walay issue ko tab tak bhool hi chuki hogi.. Ab bhi lag raha hai ke SC bhool gayi hai.. Warna geo walay case ka order bhi 10th july ko hi diya tha..uski tu hearing hogayi lekin IB , aur PML N leaders ki speeches ka koi zikr hi nahi hai ab?
 
There is nothing wrong with PTI's funds details. All the details have already been provided.

There are two issues:

1 - Laws prohibit from receiving funds from a foreign incorporated company.
2 - Laws prohibit from receiving funds from foreign nationals.

In US, it is against the local US laws to fund a foreign political/ religious/ philanthropy institutions by individuals directly. So any overseas Pakistani, who sends money to Pakistan, deposits it into the account of locally reincorporated non-for-profit organization, and from this organization it's transferred to Pakistan.

PTI submitted the audited accounts of that US incorporated company to ECP before 2013 elections, and ECP gave the party clearance and issued them with the election symbol. These audited accounts included details of the donors, their nationalities, etc. Some of the receipts were in the name of non-Muslims. One receipt was from another US company. All these details were provided to ECP, PTI didn't hide anything.. From those details, Neefa Podri identified these names of individuals and companies and filed a reference in SC that PTI is getting funds from a foreign incorporated companies and foreign nationals.

According to law, PTI was wrong when it received funds from a foreign incorporated organization, but election commission should have objected when they filed these details before 2013 elections.

Secondly, about the foreign nationals, many are of Pakistani origin, one or couple are foreign nationals of Indian origin (hindus) but their wives are of Pakistani origin, that's why they paid. About the company which donated, one of the partner is a Pakistani and he donated the money from the companies account from his share of earnings.

Everything has been provided. The background of the foreign nationals have also been provided. You know it is not easy to get hold of people who donated in 2012/13 but still PTI is contacting them and getting further details, although most of the details were audited by a foreign firm and report submitted to ECP..

Abb mujhay batao ke kia disqualification of party banti hai?

One more thing. PTI incorporated the company in a country where it is required by law. What about PMLN, which incorporated company in UK to receive and launder funds, even when it is not required by law in UK? This is PTI's question to which SC/ ECP hasn't responded back..



Sirf IK ne inn ki dinki car torr di thi bachpan main.. baqion se koi shikayat nahi hai CJ ko..



Inn sab ki hearing hogi.. aik do din main jaisay hi Panama ka faisla aajata hai.. main ne aisa hi suna hai.. Specially, they have again started threatening the JIT members..



Thanks. What happens if the ECP/SC decide they violated the laws? What is the penalty and for whom?
 
Mera khyal hai ke aaj raat tak supplementary cause list aa jani chahye...agar Fri ko verdict aana hai tu...

Mera bhi yehi khayal hai..

Ch Ghulam Hussain keh rahay hain tu koi news tu hogi hi...ke panama ka verdict is week aasakta hai..

Inn ki khabrain ghalat nahi hoteen, specially about the dates of verdicts.

Lekin ab jab Dr dhabardoos ne bhi keh diya..is se mujhe shak hai ...ke is week aasakta hai? Dr dhabardoos ne keh diya ke is week aasakta hai..tu matlba sirf rumors hongi aur sensationalism..

Lolz.. :rofl::rofl:

Agar aa bhi jata hai panama case ka verdict..is week...tu ab tu SC ki vacations aarahi hain.. Vacations ke baad tak tu SC..IB walay issue aur PML N leaders ki speeches walay issue ko tab tak bhool hi chuki hogi.. Ab bhi lag raha hai ke SC bhool gayi hai.. Warna geo walay case ka order bhi 10th july ko hi diya tha..uski tu hearing hogayi lekin IB , aur PML N leaders ki speeches ka koi zikr hi nahi hai ab?

I think SC has too much load on it right now.. Aaj tou CJ ne kaha bhi hai ke abb har MNA ke against petition direct SC main file horahi hai.. I think SC is too much involved in other cases. Tou yeh tou lamba chalay ga.. IB wala case..
 
I mean to ask if there is a monetary penalty for that? Or does the entire party get disqualified from contesting elections?
Is amounts are not material (which cant be) and no clear evidence of mal-intentions (which I doubt) then it could be some monetary penalty and future instructions but entire party disqualification cant be as offence is petty nature (based on expalantion of @PakSword )
 
I mean to ask if there is a monetary penalty for that? Or does the entire party get disqualified from contesting elections?

I don't think that the amount (received from foreign institution/ nationals) is significant. ECP can't put a ban on the party. In my opinion (and as some other members also gave their opinion earlier), ECP will put some penalties on PTI and that's it.

ECP/ SC should have to look into this case in conjunction with other parties' companies incorporated abroad. So in order to avoid the chaos in future, where every party will file a petition against the other based on this judgment, I think judges will give some relaxation to PTI.. specially, when everything was already disclosed to ECP.
 
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I think SC has too much load on it right now.. Aaj tou CJ ne kaha bhi hai ke abb har MNA ke against petition direct SC main file horahi hai.. I think SC is too much involved in other cases. Tou yeh tou lamba chalay ga.. IB wala case..

I agree,, its better to delay ,,, pehly NS ki bari and set a example of few bureaucrats, then zardari or phr institution in general
 
Is amounts are not material (which cant be) and no clear evidence of mal-intentions (which I doubt) then it could be some monetary penalty and future instructions but entire party disqualification cant be as offence is petty nature (based on expalantion of @PakSword )

I think the amount is in thousands of USD.. less than USD 5000. This is what Fawad Ch. was telling the other day. I will share the clip if I find it..
 
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