Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Syed1.]

Zardari buhat shatir admi hai... sau Nawaz aek taraf aur aek Zardari aek taraf. Buhat mushkil hai ossay girana, but if there is one man in Pakistan who can do it is IMRAN KHAN

 

[Shane]

Zardari buhat shatir admi hai... sau Nawaz aek taraf aur aek Zardari aek taraf. Buhat mushkil hai ossay girana, but if there is one man in Pakistan who can do it is IMRAN KHAN

Agreed but I have a bit different angle on IK. Ik is not Shatir or chalak but simpler yet certainly not a fool. But being wiser with age is still not his forte.

His forte is his temperament, thanks to his cricket. He is relentless in his efforts if he sets his mind to do something, he never backs down. He is outspoken and flamboyant. All these skills he has brought with him in his politics.

But it seems from his recent moves or lack of them, that he has left out a key ingredient from his recipe of success in cricket. His expertise of keep looking for, finding his opponents weaknesses and exploiting them for his benefit to the very end.

May be he still has it but it certainly has mellowed down with age may be or his advisers pull him back but the killer instinct of the cornered Tiger is all but gone. Is it due to the emergence of a statesman in him or some other factor pegging him back, only time will tell.

 

[fatman17]

‏روک سکو تو روک لو ابو کسی بھی وقت لندن بھاگ سکتے ہیں
#روک_سکوتوروک_لو https://t.co/69NYpbWYll

 

[fatman17]

‏عمران: ٹرمپ! تمہارے ڈالر نہیں چاہیئں
جنرل قمر باجوہ: امریکہ سے کسی قسم کی امداد نہیں چاہیئے- "
نواز شریف: "مجھے کیوں نکالا؟[emoji58]
"یہ فرق ہے[emoji115] https://t.co/82tmKHiAVN

 

[fatman17]

Now see why SC has appointed SC judge to supervise NAB proceedings in NS case.

 

[fatman17]

Global Village
South Asia
Pakistan
Nawaz Sharif’s “Interesting questions” & their equally “Interesting answers”!

August 26, 2017

After his disqualification, Nawaz Sharif has, on multiple occasions, dismissed the Supreme Court verdict which ordered his removal. Nawaz has raised several questions casting doubt on the Court’s verdict. He claims that his dismissal was part of an international conspiracy against his family.

Here at GVS we have undertaken a close examination of Nawaz Sharif’s questions and have endeavored to provide befitting answers.

Question 1: Has there been any instance where an investigation was ordered through a WhatsApp call?

In order for an impartial investigation to take place, the Supreme Court formed the JIT and protected it from external interference and pressure.

Answer: No, but it is a well-known fact that the Intelligence Bureau (IB) is constantly monitoring cell phones of all those who the Sharif family deem a threat and that includes the judiciary. During Nawaz Sharif’s tenure, IB has been reduced to little more than personal servants of the Sharif family. The use of WhatsApp was deemed necessary because it provided a secure means of communication for the Court to coordinate its fact finding efforts. Does the law prohibit the use of WhatsApp? Absolutely not.

Question 2: Has the Supreme Court ever made a JIT in a similar case?

Answer: First of all it is important to note that there has never been a transparent and impartial investigation of the Sharif clan. The formation of the JIT was a first because the judiciary desired that this case set the precedent for transparency for all future inquiries of similar nature. Analysts and people in the know have revealed that Nawaz Sharif purposefully employs compromised individuals to important posts in government agencies so as to keep them loyal and squash any inquiries that may prove unfavorable for the Sharifs. Case in point, SECP chairman Zafar Hijazi and NAB chief Qamar Zaman Chaudhary.

In order for an impartial investigation to take place, the Supreme Court formed the JIT and protected it from external interference and pressure.

Question 3: Has support ever been sought from intelligence agencies apart from issues of terrorism and national security?

If during the course of a robbery investigation a kidnapping is also proved against the accused, would he be not punished for both of the crimes

Answer: Well, yes. Nawaz Sharif unabashedly used the IB to spy upon PTI leaders during the 2014 Dharna. It is common knowledge amongst those in media and the political opposition that whosoever criticizes the Sharif’s is swiftly put under surveillance. GVS has also been subjected to similar harassment.

Question 4: Has the Supreme Court ever monitored any investigation proceedings like in Panamagate case?

Answer: As a matter of fact, yes. Yousaf Raza Gillani was dismissed through a similar process. Furthermore, the Court has the power to oversee the execution of its orders.

Question 5: Was Capital FZE and the salary I received from it mentioned in any of the three petitions filed against me?

Answer: No, but if during the course of a robbery investigation a kidnapping is also proved against the accused, would he be not punished for both of the crimes? It was proven beyond doubt that Nawaz did not fully declare assets in his possession. Can the Court not punish him on that?

Question 6: Can a judge who gave a dissented against the need for JIT preside over its proceedings? Is that not unfair?

Answer: Not at all, there is no law against such an arrangement. Also, the verdict was given after careful consideration and in line with the evidence available. If Nawaz has any viable evidence in his defense, why doesn’t he submit it to NAB?

Question 7: How could the two judges who were not part of the three member implementation bench pass a verdict when they were unaware of the JIT’s findings?

Answer: The two judges in question had already adjudicated that Nawaz should be disqualified, it was the other three who had asked for further inquiries. Did Nawaz expect the two judges to actually change their decision after the JIT report?

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[Shane]

Apart from CAS Gen.Bajwa, Mrs Bajwa and other Army officials, did anyone PM/ CM / Minister from Punjab or Federal Government go to console family in Lahore of Martyred Major Ali Salman?

 

[El_Swordsmen]

Apart from CAS Gen.Bajwa, Mrs Bajwa and other Army officials, did anyone PM/ CM / Minister from Punjab or Federal Government go to console family in Lahore of Martyred Major Ali Salman?
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he didn't even visited the boy's parents his convoy crushed .... expecting some kind words for army officers from him is too much ... even he is not even talking or seem worried about his wife's cancer diagnosis .... all he rants about is " Paanch(5) logon nay mujhe nikal diya " .... he has become a walking humiliation !!

 

[QatariPrince]

Sheikh Rasheed files petition against NAB for delaying references in Hudaibiya Paper Mills case in SC

 

[Dastaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/902054466760953856

aur JIT ki jati umra investigation team ki afwah bhi kahi suni thi ap nai.

 

[Guvera]

A gud move by Sheikh Rasheed, cud increase pressure on SC and NAB.

 

[The Accountant]

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Sheikh Rasheed files petition against NAB for delaying references in Hudaibiya Paper Mills case in SC

Pindi boy rocks ...

 

[IceCold]

I dont know what PTI is thinking but right after Nawaz disqualification and reference sent to NAB, PTI should had filed a petition keeping NAB's record in view. They could have highlighted SC own remarks on NAB "Aj NAB ka jinaza nikal gaya" that NAB under current director is simply incapable to file impartial reference. A new DG or direction NAB first needs to be appointed first. WHy PTI did not do it is beyond me.
Its a good thing that SR has done this.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Emmie Sheikh Rashid has filed this application before the "implementation bench" of SC..whwereas..after final verdict of panama case..theres no. "Implementation bench" now rather only a monitoring judge.... Implementation bench was to oversee JIT.. I am not sure why SR has still used the term implementation bench in his CMA, and not monitoring judge!Will it make any difference..or will /can registrar dismiss this CMA saying..theres no implementation bench .,now? Remember this is the same registrar...which dismissed panama paper petitions as frivilous.. Or will registrar simply forward it to the monitoring judge?
Also..i was listening to Aitezaz Ahsan yesterday..in a prog..where he talked abt monitoring judge.. He was asked ..whether there are precedents..of appointng monitoring judge,. He said yes,.. Also he said tht monitoring judge only has administrative powers.. Monitoring judge is to only make sure tht nodelay happens.. Infact Iftikhar Ch yesterday also said in a prog tht monitoring judge's job is to expedite the process and tht no delay happens.. Aitezaz said tht monitoring judge can ask for reports in his chamber.. I couldnt properly listen.. To Aitezaz or couldnt properly understand what he was saying.. Does it mean there will be no open hearings by the monitoring judge at all..and probably this is the reason tht theres hasnt been any hearing as yet? I dont know.. I couldnt really undestand..what aitezaz Ahsan really meant there...
do u think..hearing wil happen once references are filed? Or there wont be any hearing at all? Just related parties can file application before monitoring judge and he will simply accept or reject it and forward it to the concerned parties? Like Ijazul Ahsan has accepted NAB's plea..of including JIT member's statements as prosecution witness..without any open hearing... Aitezaz was also referring other cases where monitoring judhe was appointed.. Do u know whthere there was any open hearing when only monitoring judge was appointed and not implementation bench? Are powers /procedures pf monitoring judge ..different or same? @Emmie

If anyone knows or can tell anything abt cases..where monitoring judge has been appointed earlier? Aitezaz Ahsan talked abt Amir hani Muslim ke woh tu bhtt cases main aisa kartay thay.. Kia kartay thay? Open hearings as monitoring judge or taking reports abt the case in his chamber?


Watch from 21:50. - 26:15 where monitoring judge is discussed... Was our interpretion or expectation from monitoring judge wrong? @Shane @The Accountant @Emmie @PakSword

 

[Shane]

Sheikh Rasheed files petition against NAB for delaying references in Hudaibiya Paper Mills case in SC

I dont know what PTI is thinking but right after Nawaz disqualification and reference sent to NAB, PTI should had filed a petition keeping NAB's record in view. They could have highlighted SC own remarks on NAB "Aj NAB ka jinaza nikal gaya" that NAB under current director is simply incapable to file impartial reference. A new DG or direction NAB first needs to be appointed first. WHy PTI did not do it is beyond me.
Its a good thing that SR has done this.

Dair Aayad Durrust Aayad as per earlier post below but it's politics after all too.

In simple words Panama Bench has done enough of its job by appointing a monitoring judge. Even NAB was told by head of former JIT to approach monitoring judge for permission to questioning JIT.

Answer these simple question for my information please:

Why is PTI or JI or SRA not interested in approaching monitoring judge for their grievances?

Why not approach SC for NAB not opening Hudaibya cases?

What is stopping the three petitioners to file contempt of court against NS?

Why can't they file against the Governments of SS and SKA for providing state resources to a DQ person?

Why leave the field open for PMLN?



Ok but why are the petitioners so laid back, muddai sust, why expect munsif chust?

@Realistic Change , you replied to above with wait and see. True enough on one count.

But it's a little late and just one complaint, nothing on misuse and abuse of Govt. resources or Contempt of court against Nawaz filed by any of the three Panama Petitioners to specifically appointed monitoring Judge. They must pick the ball themselves and carry the game forward on all fronts. They must not be allowed to breath let alone time to manipulate the system.

If anyone knows or can tell anything abt cases..where monitoring judge has been appointed earlier?

Karachi case is one example of monitoring Judge.