Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Shane]

Well you are entitled to your view and given a dark history you have right to suspect but i am hopeful

Hope it is. Hopelessness is lame but sometimes, pretending to be so is also a defence mechanism for some, myself included, more unknowingly than otherwise.

Although I was rooting for a 5/5 verdict in favour of disqualification and extremely hopeful, like right now, but deep down I feared the worst and felt the feeling of hopelessness if the worst transpired. The euphoria after that judgment has cemented my sense of hopefulness for the rest of my life, in sha Allah.

Imagine the thinking of people whose relatives were shot and killed in model town in front of live media and they are still awaiting justice.

And speaking of hopefulness vs hopelessness and model town killings not getting justice:

Model Town incident: CJP takes notice of delay in provision of justice
April 8, 2018
194

LAHORE: Chief Justice of Pakistan Mian Saqib Nisar has taken notice of delay in provision of justice to the victims of Model Town incident victims.
Mother of a victim met with chief justice at Lahore registry of the apex court. The chief justice said that justice would be provided to the victims of Model town incident and issued notices to Punjab advocate general and asked him to submit a report about causes of delay in provision of justice to the victim families by April 14.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Farah Sohail when do you think is the first verdict coming and in which reference first?

Mohammad Malik was saying tht verdict on 62-1f case can come in a week...

Regd NAB references....dont know...but i think they should come by end of april....i think avenue flats reference..verdict will come first..

 

[Shane]

Mohammad Malik was saying tht verdict on 62-1f case can come in a week...

Regd NAB references....dont know...but i think they should come by end of april....i think avenue flats reference..verdict will come first..

Now that's some info. You just saved me from watching a few shows just to get that update for myself. Thanks as always.

i think avenue flats reference..verdict will come first..

But that's the case where Calibre font charges were removed against Maryam and NAB went to High court against the decision by Judge Bashir. Subsequently, during mid January, 2018, NAB withdrew the appeal filed in high court stating that NAB intends to file a sub reference on Calibre forgery against Maryam instead of revival of the old charges.

Please note that I do know that calibre font issue paragraph was not removed from case but only charges against Maryam were removed due to a technicality that forgery can be determined after ownership is settled.

What I don't remember is what happened after that? Did NAB specifically file a Sub reference against Maryam regarding forgery? Or is it the same old avenfield flats ownership case?

 

[The Accountant]

Hope it is. Hopelessness is lame but sometimes, pretending to be so is also a defence mechanism for some, myself included, more unknowingly than otherwise.

Although I was rooting for a 5/5 verdict in favour of disqualification and extremely hopeful, like right now, but deep down I feared the worst and felt the feeling of hopelessness if the worst transpired. The euphoria after that judgment has cemented my sense of hopefulness for the rest of my life, in sha Allah.

Imagine the thinking of people whose relatives were shot and killed in model town in front of live media and they are still awaiting justice.

And speaking of hopefulness vs hopelessness and model town killings not getting justice:

Model Town incident: CJP takes notice of delay in provision of justice
April 8, 2018
194

LAHORE: Chief Justice of Pakistan Mian Saqib Nisar has taken notice of delay in provision of justice to the victims of Model Town incident victims.
Mother of a victim met with chief justice at Lahore registry of the apex court. The chief justice said that justice would be provided to the victims of Model town incident and issued notices to Punjab advocate general and asked him to submit a report about causes of delay in provision of justice to the victim families by April 14.

Brother thats the game plan of international power ... Being a nuclear power our defence is strong so we can be destroyed from within only and hopelessness is the mightest weapon to destroy strongest of the adversary ...

I agree that this is also part of our defence mechanisim ... However we have to show strength and have tp fight these goons ...

This is more about information and phychological warfare and we have to fight with the same tools ...

Mohammad Malik was saying tht verdict on 62-1f case can come in a week...

Regd NAB references....dont know...but i think they should come by end of april....i think avenue flats reference..verdict will come first..

You are alive ?

 

[volatile]

So then why are you posting here ? If you have lost hope on Pakistan than just get lost as we will keep on fighting against the injustice ...

Hopeless people like you are equally guilty like the corrupt ... If you are not fighting against the corruption atleast do not stop peoplw who are ...

Regarding personal comment ... It is a reaction of you comments on shane brother ... You tried to pretend like he has no financial knowledge but now you are talking to financial peofessional ... I was waiting for a somw arguments from your side but rather you came with a lame personnal comment .. what is your age ... Lolz

SO its Hackle and Jackle VS me ,yes indeed both of you are correct since you both have some mental level ,Now again if you have facts then talk other continue waste Bandwidths as you are

 

[shahbaz baig]

@Shane @The Accountant

FATF expresses concern over PM’s tax amnesty scheme

Well what abbreviation would you like to chose.

"Pakistan's Money laundering nominees (PMLN)"

OR

"Panama's Money laundering nominee (PMLN)"

 

[The Accountant]

SO its Hackle and Jackle VS me ,yes indeed both of you are correct since you both have some mental level ,Now again if you have facts then talk other continue waste Bandwidths as you are

And who are you ? Some tom dick and harry who know nothing about finances and was a giving a lecture to a non financial person and when confronted by a financial professional then no response but hue and cry ...

So self proclaimed financial expert , just one query if you can answere, by which financial management principle you are supporting, financing of non profit (net profit) generating assets (metro and orange line) by pledging assets of a revenue generTing and profitable assets while you already on a verge of default ?

For you banker it is an ideal scenario coz as a lander your loan ia secure but for borrower its a financial death trap ...

Now answere justification ... All of the above information are hard core facts ... Kid i am waiting for your response not some random stupid comment otherwise get lost

 

[Shane]

SO its Hackle and Jackle VS me ,yes indeed both of you are correct since you both have some mental level ,Now again if you have facts then talk other continue waste Bandwidths as you are

...Rants the ignoramus who keeps running away from facts that:

1. Nawaz started his tenure with patronage of black money makers by offering them "one time black money amnesty" in the name of Financial amnesty scheme.

2. Nawaz government scored a hatrik of such "one time only money whitening" Amnesty schemes in the name of widening tax base. Did it have any affect on Tax filers? Zilch.

3. The result is 10 percent reduction in the tax base during the fifth year of PMLN government. The government lost over 131000 active taxpayers as only 1.261 million people and companies filed their annual income tax returns.

4. This latest black money amnesty scheme WITH THE ADDITION OF OFFSHORE ASSETS amnesty, is also launched with the excuse of increasing tax base while the previous tax amnesty already stands as a continued failure. Get it? Mr. Expert! OFFSHORE ASSETS!!! NEW TAX AMNESTY SCHEME ON TOP OF EXISTING TAX AMNESTY? Does off shore properties of some absconder kids in distress ring a bell?

5. PMLN leaders cried all the time that only Sharif family is being targeted while themselves not moving investigation forward against the rest of Panama accused. Following me dear? The PM himself says while announcing current offering of Amnesty that :

• Politicians and their DEPENDENTS cannot avail it. (Meaning?The likes of grownups Hassan and Hussain can, lol.)
• Panama leaks listers are free to avail this amnesty to declare off shore and black money without any questions

...What level of sense is required to overlook all of the above facts posted earlier without a factual counter from yourself about the pretty as a baby's bottom coincidence that FATF crackdown is looming about the same time as this latest "one time amnesty", lol.

While the absconder duo, Samdhe Ishaq Dar and many other corrupt are desperate to whiten their money and wealth...so the reason for just a miniscule 2% charge for desperate crooks also rings no bell upstairs? No?

Obviously all the above may be facts but this is the real deal:
Mian day naray ring rung ring rung ring...
I'm with you guys for the Doug too...
Let's mint some and jam some..ring rung ring rung ring...

Cheers dude,

No facts here

 

[volatile]

All Fiction ,Nothing has been proven ,Its utter waste like gutter waste Sorry you only watch TV and thats It and you have no idea how world works , Now If i state different Im a nooni if i show you mirror and try not to indulge into cheap talk Im Ignormus and Tom Harry Bla bla , It means my friend you are out of facts and only you have trash talk ,continue do that ,I give a .... about it

ants the ignoramus who keeps running away from facts that:

1. Nawaz started his tenure with patronage of black money makers by offering them "one time black money amnesty" in the name of Financial amnesty scheme.

2. Nawaz government scored a hatrik of such "one time only money whitening" Amnesty schemes in the name of widening tax base. Did it have any affect on Tax filers? Zilch.

3. The result is 10 percent reduction in the tax base during the fifth year of PMLN government. The government lost over 131000 active taxpayers as only 1.261 million people and companies filed their annual income tax returns.

4. This latest black money amnesty scheme WITH THE ADDITION OF OFFSHORE ASSETS amnesty, is also launched with the excuse of increasing tax base while the previous tax amnesty already stands as a continued failure. Get it? Mr. Expert! OFFSHORE ASSETS!!! NEW TAX AMNESTY SCHEME ON TOP OF EXISTING TAX AMNESTY? Does off shore properties of some absconder kids in distress ring a bell?

5. PMLN leaders cried all the time that only Sharif family is being targeted while themselves not moving investigation forward against the rest of Panama accused. Following me dear? The PM himself says while announcing current offering of Amnesty that :

• Politicians and their DEPENDENTS cannot avail it. (Meaning?The likes of grownups Hassan and Hussain can, lol.)
• Panama leaks listers are free to avail this amnesty to declare off shore and black money without any questions

...What level of sense is required to overlook all of the above facts posted earlier without a factual counter from yourself about the pretty as a baby's bottom coincidence that FATF crackdown is looming about the same time as this latest "one time amnesty", lol.

While the absconder duo, Samdhe Ishaq Dar and many other corrupt are desperate to whiten their money and wealth...so the reason for just a miniscule 2% charge for desperate crooks also rings no bell upstairs? No?

Obviously all the above may be facts but this is the real deal:
Mian day naray ring rung ring rung ring...
I'm with you guys for the Doug too...
Let's mint some and jam some..ring rung ring rung ring...

Cheers dude,

No facts here

And who are you ? Some tom dick and harry who know nothing about finances and was a giving a lecture to a non financial person and when confronted by a financial professional then no response but hue and cry ...

So self proclaimed financial expert , just one query if you can answere, by which financial management principle you are supporting, financing of non profit (net profit) generating assets (metro and orange line) by pledging assets of a revenue generTing and profitable assets while you already on a verge of default ?

For you banker it is an ideal scenario coz as a lander your loan ia secure but for borrower its a financial death trap ...

Now answere justification ... All of the above information are hard core facts ... Kid i am waiting for your response not some random stupid comment otherwise get lost

For you i bet ya ,you consider yourself an intellect ,look at your comments which you are writing is I guess after 5 year when you get proper education review your discussions it looked like some one i put my foot on his tail ,Keep going fairy tails ,We all know where is this leads to ,It leads to liking each other statements just for the sake of liking just like Im answering to your rant just for the sake of answering

 

[Shane]

All Fiction ,Nothing has been proven ,Its utter waste like gutter waste Sorry you only watch TV and thats It and you have no idea how world works , Now If i state different Im a nooni if i show you mirror and try not to indulge into cheap talk Im Ignormus and Tom Harry Bla bla , It means my friend you are out of facts and only you have trash talk ,continue do that ,I give a .... about it

I've been showing you facts of your beloved government that you sheepishly try to defend as if you are going to be caught having a secret affair. Man up.

I've quoted your leaders Puppet PM's own statements heard live and reported in news.

I've quoted News about their own schemes offered one after the other since coming into power.

I've quoted to you governments admitted facts about tax filers numbers dropping with actual figures over five years of PMLN rule and a hatrick of Black money amnesty and Patronage.

And all you have to show in reply is cheap and baseless accusation of fiction and continued ignoramus demand of facts, lol, then what else should I call it dear.

Like I told you a few posts ago dear, with replies like yours for the bemusement of readers here, your slip is showing. Go figure.

 

[PakSword]

 

[Shane]

???

 

[El Sidd]

Peshwa e Pakistan Haq Nawaz Haq

Man i am getting more and more sinister with these

Kyon ro raha ha sakhat launday

 

[Shane]

Why the sad face?

@El Sidd why you call him so?

Masoomana sawal

 

[El Sidd]

Why the sad face?

@El Sidd whay

Kia Pata janaab.

Lagta ha ordinance Pass hogaya.

Lol