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We got specs n data to prove that!
AK already has Varta I..
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We got specs n data to prove that!
AK already has Varta I..
AK is using ukranian VartaAL Khalid need to have APS
We got specs n data to prove that!
Yes first it was Al Zarrrar secondly it faced several attacks still whole crew survived that was biggest morale booster. From IED to RPG to suicide bombers and Grenades still entire crew of the Tank survived unharmed that is good sign.If you cant respond politely better shut up and dont quote me again. And that is not what i referred to but a video from Al-jeerza which actually showed the whole thing.
This is the whole video i was referring to
Pakistan's War - Al Jazeera English
Neither,, @DESERT FIGHTER is spot on with his remarks and we have gone over this comparison/discussion a dozen time. I don't think it is a good idea to start it all over again.you sure about that ? i think you are either over exaggerating AK or underestimating the T-90
Neither,, @DESERT FIGHTER is spot on with his remarks and we have gone over this comparison/discussion a dozen time. I don't think it is a good idea to start it all over again.
AND ABOUT THAT STUPID FIGHT YOU TWO ARE HAVING,,, @DESERT FIGHTER and @IceCold ,,,,, Show some sense and respect, you are both senior members,, what shameful example are your trying to set? Plus on this topic, @IceCold have a point, WE MUST have tried and tested the AKs in war on terror. Not only the old tanks cost us lives, the AK participation would have sent out a loud and clear message about the maturity of the tank and would have helped improve its ratings in export market. Pakistan do need to focus on weapons exports to generate funds and gain more experience and things like this go a long way in achieving all that.
The talk about un-tank-able terrain or the non tank friendly terrain is wrong, AK is a light tank too.
The operational cost issue is wrong as well, The older obsolete tanks wont be cheap to maintain and operate either, i know they are now.
The only problem that comes to mind is that the number of AK is limited as we have not produced any for years now due to funds and WRONG PRIORITIES of our beloved governments and even army administration/top brass. lets face it,, no shame it admitting the little mistakes we make and the weaknesses.
Personally, i feel we missed a trick here. SHOULD have sent a few AK and given them coverage. The Sad sad incident of this war would have brought at least some small good for us. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON EXPORTS as it seem only that would generate funds to make more tanks for our self. There have been no real progress lately, HIT is sitting almost ideal and useless because of this. NEED FUNDS TO GET THINGS ROLLING!
Nice reply and perhaps people who have visited areas near Afghan border/KP know very well that there are limited places where tanks may move freely even lighter tanks face challenge their at 48Ton+ AK is truely not suitable for mountainous train. People may know that sometimes use of excessive force can backfire as done with Germans during WW2 in Russia. Wars can be won by using efficient force not excessive one. As far as practical testing is concerned the live fire is used to test materials used on MBTs.They have been tested against 125 mm rounds and missiles .. What good would we achieve by sending 48 ton tanks against terrorists armed with RPGs n mortars?
The limited numbers (600) is an issue ..
But cheap and lighter type 59s (36 tons) aren't going to cost us much.. Nor is maintance an issue ... Also are more useful than medium tanks like AK..in terrain like FATA.. They are not just being used in urban combat but also "fortify" strategic positions... So yes operating them is also "cheaper"... ( Turkey is using M-60s etc on its borders digging PKK .. instead of sending Leopards or "Sabras".. )
Also the tanks operating in FATA are working under air cover .. They come in to "sweep" places after the gunships n jets have already done their job...
AZs also have been used in combat...
We had the opportunity to test Al Khalids in the FATA theatre against WOT but I wonder what kept us from doing so? There was a documentary during the early years of WOT made by Aj-Jeerza and I remember how a T-59 commander rushed back from his position as his crap tank could not take it and Cobras were sent to take out before the tanks could move in.
Let's not forget the most important quality, required for it to function effectively - reliability.I have had a sizeable debate on another thread that t-90 lacks several features when compared to alkhalid. Areas include FCS and network centric systems at least.
T90 built 800 under license 900 more to follow
MK1 (125 )arjuns MK2 ordered 125
upgraqded T72 (950 tanks upgradsed so far)
AL KHLAID WILL NEED SOME HELP LIKE T99 in large nos in future