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Pakistan’s Taliban Monster | by Shashi Tharoor - Project Syndicate

7 - 9 minutes

With the Taliban more powerful than ever and poised to reclaim power in Afghanistan, the only external victor will be Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency. But as the ISI knows, the problem with creating and sponsoring militant groups is that they do not always remain under your control.

NEW DELHI – The late head of Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, Lieutenant General Hamid Gul, was fond of boasting that when Afghanistan’s history came to be written, it would record that the ISI, with the help of America, defeated the Soviet Union. And next, he would slyly add, historians would state that the ISI, with the help of America, defeated America.
Gul’s boast was not the sort of empty rodomontade that military men are notorious for once they hang up their uniforms and recall their past as being more glorious than the details might warrant. He was right to argue that it was the ISI’s tactic of sponsoring militants and terrorists – amply armed, supplied, and financed by the United States – against the Red Army in Afghanistan that forced the Kremlin to withdraw ignominiously.
Subsequently, using the same approach and initially many of the same personnel and methods, Pakistan created and sponsored a mujahideen group calling themselves the Taliban, or “students” of Islam, who swiftly took over Afghanistan and ruled it as a wholly owned ISI subsidiary. Things were rosy for Gul and his ilk until Osama bin Laden, a former mujahideen fighter who enjoyed the hospitality of the Taliban’s new “Islamic Emirate,” ordered the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks against the US from his Afghan hideout.
America’s furious response resulted in the overthrow of the Taliban and the exile of bin Laden, under ISI protection, to refuge in a Pakistani military redoubt. The ISI had even less to crow about when the US tracked down bin Laden to a secure compound in Abbottabad and special forces killed him there in 2011.
But as America wearied of being bogged down interminably in Afghanistan, and the ISI helped its Taliban clients to rearm, reorganize, and resume their operations against the US-backed regime in Kabul, the tide turned in the ISI’s favor. President Joe Biden has announced that US forces will withdraw completely from Afghanistan by September 11, the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. The date that long symbolized America’s determination to strike at the root of the terrorist attacks against it now signifies its lack of will to continue.
Whatever face-saving successor arrangements the US may put in place to mask its capitulation, its withdrawal from Afghanistan, with none of its long-term objectives achieved, is a defeat. With the Taliban more powerful than ever and poised to reclaim power in Kabul, the only external victor will be the ISI. As Gul foresaw, it will have defeated America with America’s help. Pakistan has now received two decades’ worth of US military assistance, totaling an estimated $11 billion.

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The ISI has long been obsessed with the idea that controlling Afghanistan would give Pakistan the “strategic depth” needed to challenge its main adversary, India. A Taliban regime (or even a Taliban-dominated coalition government) in Kabul is the best guarantee of that. The Taliban factions are so beholden to their Pakistani benefactors that, as Afghan President Ashraf Ghani acidly remarked, their decision-making bodies – Quetta Shura, Miramshah Shura, and Peshawar Shura – are named after the Pakistani towns where they are based.
But Gul’s successors would be wise to tone down their celebrations. First, the US withdrawal from Afghanistan removes a vital source of leverage for Pakistan in Washington. It may not be good news for Pakistan if the Americans need it less.
Furthermore, as the ISI knows, the problem with creating and sponsoring militant groups is that they do not always remain under your control. The lesson of Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein – that the creatures we give life to can develop minds and needs of their own – has been apparent elsewhere as well, not least in Israel’s role in building up Hamas as a rival to the Palestine Liberation Organization.
The same thing has happened in Pakistan, where the period of sullen cooperation between the Pakistani authorities and the US during the post-9/11 American crackdown in Afghanistan spawned the rebellion of the “Pakistani Taliban.” While the Afghan Taliban needed Pakistani refuge, ISI safe houses, funding, and arms to mount the insurgency that has brought the US to the point of withdrawal, the Pakistani Taliban have attacked their own erstwhile godfathers for insufficient fealty to militant Islam.
The ISI no doubt hopes that once US forces are gone and the Afghan Taliban is securely entrenched in Kabul, it can persuade the Pakistani Taliban to forgive and forget the agency’s previous transgressions. If that happens, the thinking goes, peace will be restored, the ISI will control Afghanistan, and the Pakistani mujahideen will stop targeting Pakistani army installations and convoys, and join the ISI in intensifying attacks on the “real enemy,” India.
But a nightmarish alternative scenario for the ISI is also possible. Pakistani militant groups, emboldened by the success of their brethren in Afghanistan, might no longer be prey to the military’s blandishments. Instead, they could launch terror attacks with the aim of emulating in Pakistan what the Taliban have achieved in Afghanistan. If Afghanistan can be run as an Islamic emirate, they may ask, why can’t we do the same in Pakistan? Why dance to the ISI’s tune when we can call our own?
In such a scenario, the ISI’s heady moment of triumph on 9/11 this year could seem increasingly hollow, as the vipers it has nurtured strike at its own breast. True, the Pakistani Taliban – without a state sponsor of their own – has less chance of success than their Afghan counterparts. But they can still do considerable damage, in the process intensifying the Pakistani public’s disenchantment with the military’s domination of their country.
Should that happen, we will need to extend Gul’s account and say that the ISI, as the agent of the Pakistani military, helped to “defeat” or at least discredit itself.


India is in pain, and this article and another article given by Bipin Rawat in Wion


implies the leg of their nation is shaking and Pakistan will take on India after the US. But India has forgotten that divine intelligence has been guided to us. No one can stop it.
Thus, Ghandi understood this fact and advised his people to keep peace with Pakistan.India and the US have realized that pakistanis do not seduce no matter whether we live abroad or not. They believe they can easily break us because we are divided into ethnic tribes, but they have forgotten that when it comes to pakistan we all have the same concerns.
Pakistan zindabad.
 
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I was reading this garbage yesterday. We are in control and the Indians are butthurt. That is the summary of this garbage.
 
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India is in pain and this article implies that their legs will shake and Pakistan will take on India after the US. But India has forgotten that divine intelligence has been guided to us. No one can stop it.
Thus, Ghandi understood this fact and advised his people to keep peace with Pakistan
why nuke a discussin with this BS ?
I was reading this garbage yesterday. We are in control and the Indians are butthurt. That is the summary of this garbage.
in control of what, the Taliban ? :lol:

lagay rho
 
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Sashi is considered to be among the top intellectuals among the rats in the east. If this is what he comes up with, points and scenarios debated to death all over and already known by many, it's a pathetic attempt to stay relevant somehow. Bring something new.
 
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We want to live in peace with all the neighbours simple is that and its not crime with any stretch of the imagination and we are not eyeing any land in Afghanistan. Who ever rules Afghanistan and its acceptable to Afghans and our borders are safe is a bottom line for us. Why India backside hurts when we say India have got nothing to do in Afghanistan apart from the state to state relations and rest of the malarkey goes with it. If India in any shape or form try to build again or set up any terrorists camps then we will have to take them down even if we have to use force and its a self defence.
Taliban have fought for their country independence and sovereignty and that's why US and NATO are leaving involuntarily so they deserved to be in the power. People who sold their country for dollars and cooperated with occupiers are obviously worried for their crimes and the countries who fed those traitors and snakes are concerned about their assets. Occupiers and the countries who were part of the occupation directly and indirectly still want the occupation somehow to continue through the back door hence all these hair raising stories about Taliban are planted all over the media. I very much hope Taliban have learned something from the past and stay and abide by the rules of Quran and Prophet teachings and are successful in running the Afghan government and bring peace and prosperity to the troubled land.
If peace in Afghanistan f**ks up Doval doctrine then i am sorry Doval you just have to f**k off. Hope one day we find him somewhere in India with Indian mutated covid for the crimes of terrorism which he is responsible for the deaths in other countries.
 
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India can kiss goodbye to her investment and influence among the afghan regime, its over for her.
 
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Pakistan’s Taliban Monster | by Shashi Tharoor - Project Syndicate

7 - 9 minutes

With the Taliban more powerful than ever and poised to reclaim power in Afghanistan, the only external victor will be Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency. But as the ISI knows, the problem with creating and sponsoring militant groups is that they do not always remain under your control.

NEW DELHI – The late head of Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, Lieutenant General Hamid Gul, was fond of boasting that when Afghanistan’s history came to be written, it would record that the ISI, with the help of America, defeated the Soviet Union. And next, he would slyly add, historians would state that the ISI, with the help of America, defeated America.
Gul’s boast was not the sort of empty rodomontade that military men are notorious for once they hang up their uniforms and recall their past as being more glorious than the details might warrant. He was right to argue that it was the ISI’s tactic of sponsoring militants and terrorists – amply armed, supplied, and financed by the United States – against the Red Army in Afghanistan that forced the Kremlin to withdraw ignominiously.
Subsequently, using the same approach and initially many of the same personnel and methods, Pakistan created and sponsored a mujahideen group calling themselves the Taliban, or “students” of Islam, who swiftly took over Afghanistan and ruled it as a wholly owned ISI subsidiary. Things were rosy for Gul and his ilk until Osama bin Laden, a former mujahideen fighter who enjoyed the hospitality of the Taliban’s new “Islamic Emirate,” ordered the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks against the US from his Afghan hideout.
America’s furious response resulted in the overthrow of the Taliban and the exile of bin Laden, under ISI protection, to refuge in a Pakistani military redoubt. The ISI had even less to crow about when the US tracked down bin Laden to a secure compound in Abbottabad and special forces killed him there in 2011.
But as America wearied of being bogged down interminably in Afghanistan, and the ISI helped its Taliban clients to rearm, reorganize, and resume their operations against the US-backed regime in Kabul, the tide turned in the ISI’s favor. President Joe Biden has announced that US forces will withdraw completely from Afghanistan by September 11, the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. The date that long symbolized America’s determination to strike at the root of the terrorist attacks against it now signifies its lack of will to continue.
Whatever face-saving successor arrangements the US may put in place to mask its capitulation, its withdrawal from Afghanistan, with none of its long-term objectives achieved, is a defeat. With the Taliban more powerful than ever and poised to reclaim power in Kabul, the only external victor will be the ISI. As Gul foresaw, it will have defeated America with America’s help. Pakistan has now received two decades’ worth of US military assistance, totaling an estimated $11 billion.

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The ISI has long been obsessed with the idea that controlling Afghanistan would give Pakistan the “strategic depth” needed to challenge its main adversary, India. A Taliban regime (or even a Taliban-dominated coalition government) in Kabul is the best guarantee of that. The Taliban factions are so beholden to their Pakistani benefactors that, as Afghan President Ashraf Ghani acidly remarked, their decision-making bodies – Quetta Shura, Miramshah Shura, and Peshawar Shura – are named after the Pakistani towns where they are based.
But Gul’s successors would be wise to tone down their celebrations. First, the US withdrawal from Afghanistan removes a vital source of leverage for Pakistan in Washington. It may not be good news for Pakistan if the Americans need it less.
Furthermore, as the ISI knows, the problem with creating and sponsoring militant groups is that they do not always remain under your control. The lesson of Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein – that the creatures we give life to can develop minds and needs of their own – has been apparent elsewhere as well, not least in Israel’s role in building up Hamas as a rival to the Palestine Liberation Organization.
The same thing has happened in Pakistan, where the period of sullen cooperation between the Pakistani authorities and the US during the post-9/11 American crackdown in Afghanistan spawned the rebellion of the “Pakistani Taliban.” While the Afghan Taliban needed Pakistani refuge, ISI safe houses, funding, and arms to mount the insurgency that has brought the US to the point of withdrawal, the Pakistani Taliban have attacked their own erstwhile godfathers for insufficient fealty to militant Islam.
The ISI no doubt hopes that once US forces are gone and the Afghan Taliban is securely entrenched in Kabul, it can persuade the Pakistani Taliban to forgive and forget the agency’s previous transgressions. If that happens, the thinking goes, peace will be restored, the ISI will control Afghanistan, and the Pakistani mujahideen will stop targeting Pakistani army installations and convoys, and join the ISI in intensifying attacks on the “real enemy,” India.
But a nightmarish alternative scenario for the ISI is also possible. Pakistani militant groups, emboldened by the success of their brethren in Afghanistan, might no longer be prey to the military’s blandishments. Instead, they could launch terror attacks with the aim of emulating in Pakistan what the Taliban have achieved in Afghanistan. If Afghanistan can be run as an Islamic emirate, they may ask, why can’t we do the same in Pakistan? Why dance to the ISI’s tune when we can call our own?
In such a scenario, the ISI’s heady moment of triumph on 9/11 this year could seem increasingly hollow, as the vipers it has nurtured strike at its own breast. True, the Pakistani Taliban – without a state sponsor of their own – has less chance of success than their Afghan counterparts. But they can still do considerable damage, in the process intensifying the Pakistani public’s disenchantment with the military’s domination of their country.
Should that happen, we will need to extend Gul’s account and say that the ISI, as the agent of the Pakistani military, helped to “defeat” or at least discredit itself.


India is in pain, and this article and another article given by Bipin Rawat in Wion


implies the leg of their nation is shaking and Pakistan will take on India after the US. But India has forgotten that divine intelligence has been guided to us. No one can stop it.
Thus, Ghandi understood this fact and advised his people to keep peace with Pakistan.India and the US have realized that pakistanis do not seduce no matter whether we live abroad or not. They believe they can easily break us because we are divided into ethnic tribes, but they have forgotten that when it comes to pakistan we all have the same concerns.
Pakistan zindabad.
Why would Pakistan like to have Taliban under its control? Taliban have defeated Nato forces in a bloody war and if they snatch the power in Afghanistan, it'll be their right. Afghanistan is a separate country. We have good relations with Taliban and so we'll have good relations with Afghanistan run by Taliban. We have no issues with them. Indians are losers because these evil souls will not be able to use Afghanistan for launching terrorist attacks into Pakistan. So, these terrorists are burning like a dud rocket. We'll see more smoke coming out of their rears as the time passes.
India can kiss goodbye to her investment and influence among the afghan regime, its over for her.
Indians were using those projects as a cover for their terror infrastructure. Only a couple of days ago two Indian terrorists (working under the garb of construction engineers) were eliminated in Afghanistan.
 
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We are not as in control as people think. The reality on the ground is shades of grey.
 
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... the Pakistani mujahideen will stop targeting Pakistani army installations and convoys, ...

So, the closet Hindu Extremist sympathisers are now referring to TTP as the Mujahideen?

I think Hindu Extremist India fully understands what Pakistan will do as soon as NATO is no longer based on Pakistan's Western front, hence, they annexed Indian Occupied Kashmir as a pre-emptive move.

What will Pakistan do next when it no longer has to look over its shoulder worrying about the Western border, while at the same time its all weather friend has deployed 200,000 troops to the indian border since 2017 in a pre-emptive move.

India chose to lose Iran as a friend and Turkey wanting the Kabul International Airport for it's Turkish experiment in Kashmir.
 
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Taliban have defeated Nato forces in a bloody war and if they snatch the power in Afghanistan, it'll be their right.

It is simple.

1. That "NATO war on the Taliban" was a half-hearted effort. NATO is leaving Afghanistan knowing fully that the Taliban will either form the next government exclusively or will be a major partner in it and NATO is happy with that.

2. NATO will definitely not leave Afghanistan if it meant that a progressive Afghan movement like the Solidarity Party of Afghanistan had a good chance to form the government.
 
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