Pakistan’s steadily diminishing equity with the US may have hit rock bottom

[GumNaam]

the biden administration knows that it won't get any cooperation from Pakistan in letting it stay in Afghanistan. america is no longer welcome. May 1st will be interesting to see...2.5 weeks away.

 

[Dalit]

1. We have always undersold ourselves. Pakistan is gold. Geopolitically and otherwise. We just don't know our own worth.
2. We are not loyal to our own cause. We have many sell-outs among us.

In my opinion Pakistan has finally after decades found a perfect escape from the US and Western hemisphere. Finally China came knocking on our door. Finally Pakistan and China have found common ground.

I don't understand our leaders. They have this fascination and obsession to be allied with the US despite unprecedented hurdles. The US seeks a transactional and temporary relationship. The US doesn't hide its desire to view Pakistan through Indian and Afghan prism. Why would Pakistani leaders continue to seek relationship with the US under such circumstances?

 

[CrazyZ]

1. We have always undersold ourselves.
2. We are not loyal to our own cause.

In my opinion Pakistan has finally after a long while found a perfect escape from the US and Western hemisphere. Finally China came knocking on our door. Finally Pakistan and China found common ground.

I don't understand our leaders. They have this fascination and obsession to be allied with the US despite so many hurdles and issues.

USA will remain a powerful and important country. Most of our external debt's are in dollars. Mess in Afghanistan will continue with USA still being involved. Pakistan can not ignore the USA. It needs to play the game but tone it down if Biden is unresponsive.

 

[Dalit]

USA will remain a powerful and important country. Most of our external debt's are in dollars. Mess in Afghanistan will continue with USA still being involved. Pakistan can not ignore the USA. It needs to play the game but tone it down if Biden is unresponsive.

That is all true, but Pakistan doesn't have to get on its knees to seek recognition from Washington. Pakistan has its own value. With or without US approval and recognition. Pakistan is underselling itself by seeking a reset in ties. It seems desperate. There is absolutely no need to plead for a reset in relations with the US. If US has the appetite to seek relations with Pakistan they will approach Pakistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What's the "surprise" here????

Few reasons for the US being extremely upset with Pak:

• Defeating the USA in Afganistan with the help of the USA
• Letting China bypass all the bottlenecks (Malacca straits, Suez Canal etc.) in SLOCs
• Inviting Russia to acquire a permanent footprint in the Asian Ocean
• Leaving the US policymakers with India being their principal spearhead - it's the biggest curse for the Pentagon
• Being the catalyst for the downfall of the US hegemony
• Etc.

 

[Dalit]

What's the "surprise" here????

Few reasons for the US being extremely upset with Pak:

• Defeating the USA in Afganistan with the help of the USA
• Letting China bypass all the bottlenecks (Malacca straits, Suez Canal etc.) in SLOCs
• Inviting Russia to acquire a permanent footprint in the Asian Ocean
• Leaving the US policymakers with India being their principal spearhead - it's the biggest curse for the Pentagon
• Being the catalyst for the downfall of the US hegemony
• Etc.

100%. This is of course why the US is ignoring Pakistan. It is basically showing a facepalm to Pakistan for reasons you have summed up. Why should we then approach the US fully knowing what the US response will be? The truth is that we cannot have it both ways. The Americans want relations with Pakistan on their terms. The Americans want to confine Pakistan through Afghan and Indian prism. Additionally they want Pakistan to stop upsetting them as you have stated. The answer to these questions is that Pakistan cannot deliver on any US demand.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

100%. This is why the US is ignoring Pakistan. It is basically showing a facepalm to Pakistan for the reasons you have summed up. Why should we then still approach the US fully knowing what the US response will be?

Diplomacy is all about tossing the "hot potatoes" to others ASAP!! It's like saying, "Sins have left us"......

 

[CrazyZ]

That is all true, but Pakistan doesn't have to get on its knees to seek recognition from Washington. Pakistan has its own value. With or without US approval and recognition. Pakistan is underselling itself by seeking a reset in ties. It seems desperate. There is absolutely no need to plead for a reset in relations with the US. If US has the appetite to seek relations with Pakistan they will approach Pakistan.

I don't think that the case at all. The reason why the Washington establishment is so upset with Islamabad. They got conditioned to Pakistan yielding to behind the door USA pressure. No longer the case with the USA's shift to India.

 

[Dalit]

The Obama administration also cold shouldered the Zardari regime at its end. They put a lot of influence into the Afghanistan surge only for it to ultimately fail. Most of the key people are now in the new Biden administration. PTI or PPP or PML....all would be cold shouldered by Biden.

It is what it is, quietly focus on trade. Becoming a strategic priority for the USA is not what its cracked up to be.

Yes, that is to be expected with the Americans. They are your friends as long as you tow their line.

I think the armed forces and the government needs to stop wooing the Americans now.

 

[striver44]

Letting China bypass all the bottlenecks (Malacca straits, Suez Canal etc.) in SLOCs

Malacca strait can't be replaced in importance.

 

[airmarshal]

This is an excellent analysis from Pakistan perspective.

America is doing this for India so that India can be better enslaved to fight American war against China.

 

[Chhatrapati]

When the US leaves Afghanistan, what advantage does any country in the region surrounding Afghanistan would have to offer to the US? Strategically US influence in the region will be diminished and they will totally shift to South East Asia - Pacific theatre. That is probably what the whole Afghan exit is all about.

 

[Dalit]

I don't think that the case at all. The reason why the Washington establishment is so upset with Islamabad. They got conditioned to Pakistan yielding to behind the door USA pressure. No longer the case with the USA's shift to India.

That is also definitely the case. This broken relationship is very complicated. Unfortunately, we had a big hand in addicting the Americans. The Americans became addicted to seeking favours behind closed doors without conventional approval.

The Americans were always going to find a substitute. I am not complaining here. I have always been strictly opposed to our relationship based on deceit. I am perfectly fine with us parting ways. Unfortunately that is not entirely possible for both sides. That is just not how the world works unless you become Cuba.

This is an excellent analysis from Pakistan perspective.

America is doing this for India so that India can be better enslaved to fight American war against China.

Absolutely. The Americans are empowering India for various reasons. The main goal of course is to tackle China.

Pakistan needs to make peace with itself and stop pushing for something which is practically impossible. Pakistan needs to continue working with regional actors such as China and Russia. Relations with the US are going to remain muted and almost non-existent. That is just the new reality.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The U.S is throwing a little hissy fit just because we fcuked them

They fcuked up Pakistan. Thanks to weak leadership Pakistan sold itself cheap.

When the US leaves Afghanistan, what advantage does any country in the region surrounding Afghanistan would have to offer to the US? Strategically US influence in the region will be diminished and they will totally shift to South East Asia - Pacific theatre. That is probably what the whole Afghan exit is all about.

There is such a thing as political myopia. United States is predominatl;y a country made of European migrants that looks at Europe as the motherlode of their civilization. Given the huge influence of Jews the Near East can also be included in the US horizon. Thus this region occupies America's primary interest.

Now with rise of China the Eastern Asian regiion also becomes important. However decade after decade should teach US that geography occupied by Pakistan - that is the Indus Basin is strategic fulcrum of Asia, Eurasia and Middle East.

Thus the cycles you see. But each time USA came running back. So it will be again. With rise of China, Russian influence in Central Asia, Iran, straits of Hormuz and Arabian peninsula they can't ignore Pakistan for long.

 

[CrazyZ]

When the US leaves Afghanistan, what advantage does any country in the region surrounding Afghanistan would have to offer to the US? Strategically US influence in the region will be diminished and they will totally shift to South East Asia - Pacific theatre. That is probably what the whole Afghan exit is all about.

Better to not be strategically important to the USA from a military perspective. Many countries in East Asia have only prospered when the USA is strategically/militarily focused else where. The meek inherit the earth.