Pakistan's Sindh has characteristics of an independent state: US Congressional report

[Guynextdoor2]

Yes you can on one condition. That the moment the transfer takes place I give up my Pak citizenship which is exchanged for Indian citizenship.

And I believe although West Bengal is the "pulling capital" of India the practice is found in other parts of India even if it is not as prevalent. Also the the bike version seems to be more popular. I guess this is significant improvement however it still depends on human articulation. Something akin to having donkey on a treadmill. New Delhi below.

Above: A worried rickshaw-puller observes a Police man ordering traffic near Red Fort in New

Above: New Delhi. Those two lazy bums sat on the rickshaw are really screwing the "puller" for every paisa. Click > Delhi: A rickshaw puller's journey from prison to books

Rickshaw-pullers at Ramakrishna Ashram metro railway station in New Delhi on Saturday.

These are cycle rickshaws, not hand carts.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Half of a country isn't a loss for you? No wonder Pakistan has never lost any war.

Actually it was more than half. It was 65/45. So strictly speaking they lost us rather then the other way around. Smaller piece is regarded as "breaking away".

Funny considering Bangladesh beats Pakistan in all indices of human development.

Yeh I know it does. Which is why million of Bengali's migrants are found in Karachi. You need to tell them this. These indices are drawn by people far away in Western capitals. They are at best indicators. The reality is distorted by politics etc. Countries which are seen as favourites in West gewt the uppity treatment with others geting shafted.

Ever wondered if India and Bangland are doing so well why and how on gawds earth do both countries have millions pulling rickshaws? And 100s of millions in utter starvation?

What you expect me to believe people in India like retiring donkeys so they can do the work themselves? In Pakistan we use petrol rickshaws with even them being minority with stand vehicle taxi dominating. What does that tell you? On the ground the economics in Pakistan favours cars for taxi. In India and Bang the human becomes the beast. Bloody mockery.

And I won'y even go into starvation.

Ps. There is not a country on earth that has two wings so far apart and belonging to entirely differant ethnic groups. Such a conception in 1947 was crazy and bound to fail. Even English migrants living in America broke away to set up their America when both sets of people were English/English settlers. It was Richard versus Richard. So 1971 was better for them and us or it would have remained a running sore sapping the energy of the state.

West Pakistan has ethnic groups that have shared the same Indus Valley for mileniums and are contigous. Furthemore they are enmeshed socially and economically.

These are cycle rickshaws, not hand carts.

I did say the bike versions are more prevalent. However like I said they still depend on human articulation akin to having donkey on treadmill.

 

[saiyan0321]

The entire report reeks of lack of knowledge and bias.. After the 18th amendment all provinces have autonomy to make decisions without federal intervention and many projects working in kpk and Punjab are due to provincial autonomy... As for potential in Pakistan no province has realized its true potential and that is the case for many provinces of various countries. It doesn't mean that all should be separated. Not too mention what the report doesn't take into account is the corrupt and useless provincial govt of PPP which has done nothing over there... The current problems plagueing sindh are not due to Punjab but due to the ineptness of the peoples party and qaim ali shah...

Each province in pakistan is interdependent on each other. For irrigation and water canal we have Punjab along with farm land and the water of Punjab is provided to sindh who utilizes it to its own farming land and the ports of Karachi account for various exports and imports which help the economy of other provinces while kpk and Punjab have formed unity with crops being supplied in exchange for power and balochistan resources play an important role in all of Pakistan ... Pakistan is united like this and yes the potential is not realized but that's due to poor administration of governments...

As for sindhudesh its an Indian and american wet dream. Among all the insurgencies in Pakistan sindhudesh was the weakest and is now dead along with pukhtunistan and following are independent balochistan... With zarb e azb we have crushed it and with karachi being rid of the terror and mafia the city will see its power once again and hopefully chose somebody else in the 2018 election...

Long story short keep dreaming bcz its just a dream never to become a reality... The US has been after a broken pakistan for years and for a nation who fears our nuclear arsenal will fall into terrorists, its really trying hard to destabilize and break pakistan which will make that absurd nonsense true.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

hope to see independent sindhudesh before i die.

A few years ago Indians (and some of their American/European apologists) were harping on about, and hoping for, an "independent Pashtunistan", trying their best to categorize the TTP terrorist violence as 'Pashtun desires for independence from Pakistan' and completely ignoring the fact that the Taliban (TTP or Afghan) are by ideology (as an Islamist movement committed to Caliphate and what not) an expansionist movement, and not separatist.

A little later, as realizations about the nature of the TTP movement begain to sink in globally, the Indians and their American apologists latched onto 'Independent Balochistan' (made easier for the Americans by the fact that any such approach would also hurt Iran with its own Baloch issues). The Secular Baloch are our allies they railed. Of course with the security crackdown against Baloch terrorists, the successful Iran negotiations with the US, with many of the leading Baloch terrorists leaders and commanders now dead and many of the remaining few talking about negotiations to end violence, that particular idea is also going nowhere.

So of course now Indian desperation has led them to Sindh, with some of the same arguments made before being rehashed - 'the Secular Sindhis are our allies', 'Punjabi Oppression' etc etc. So intellectually weak is the argument here that even the so called OP based on the 'CRS research' can't offer a plausible reason for linking Sindh's governance and development issues to 'Punjabi domination'.

Sindh has been ruled by a 'Sindhi' political party since 2008. For 5 of those years the same 'Sindhi' political party also controlled the Federal government and led national discussions and agreements on increasing provincial control over various issues as well as an improved formula for resource sharing between the provinces and the Federal government. Sindh is mismanaged and underdeveloped because of Sindhis themselves, just as large parts of Punjab are mismanaged and underdeveloped because of Punjabis. In both cases the fault lies with the electorate, that chooses to return the same feudals and corrupt politicians to power.

In Punjab at least the competition between the PPP and PMLN (and now the PTI) has led to a need for those in power to demonstrate 'progress'. The same political dynamic now exists in NWFP, with the past 3 elections seeing 3 different alliances in power - MMA, PPP+ANP and now PTI+JI, with the PMLN a strong force that could form a government in alliance with other parties. The political landscape in Sindh offers no such relief to the Sindhis, with the PPP continuing to be voted in, continuing to destroy Sindh through corruption and incompetence, and continuing to be rewarded for its corruption and incompetence by the Sindhi electorate.

It was to evict raping, plundering marauders, kinda like above*, from Kashmir which we might have done but for Nehru.

A handful of the tribals engaged in those atrocities. And, as Pakistan reported to the UNSC, the GoP did in fact ensure the eviction of the tribals as part of the first set of requirements under the UNSC Resolutions on the Kashmir Dispute, so you can stop using those lame excuses now.

do math and India get into war only after pak invaded lot of Kashmir lands... if you talk realistically we defended that portion from your forces...

45% - do you disagree with the 'the math I done'?
If you talk realistically, the argument of 'successful defence' only means that the Indian Army was incapable of any significant territorial gains against the Pakistan Army, once the Pakistan Army officially engaged the Indian Army in war.

 

[VCheng]

We should stop going to US, because they are not ready to listen to us! Now first we need to make them realize that they need to listen to us and then it will be any useful to go there, otherwise we can conveniently avoid going there, rather visit more to Moscow and beijing

Of course, it is Pakistan's right to meet or not with whichever country is so chooses. How do you propose to "make them realize that they need to listen to us" more than what USA is already doing for Pakistan? Not visiting or not talking would not help at all.

 

[tsinga]

Actually it was more than half. It was 65/45. So strictly speaking they lost us rather then the other way around. Smaller piece is regarded as "breaking away".



Yeh I know it does. Which is why million of Bengali's migrants are found in Karachi. You need to tell them this. These indices are drawn by people far away in Western capitals. They are at best indicators. The reality is distorted by politics etc. Countries which are seen as favourites in West gewt the uppity treatment with others geting shafted.

Ever wondered if India and Bangland are doing so well why and how on gawds earth do both countries have millions pulling rickshaws? And 100s of millions in utter starvation?

What you expect me to believe people in India like retiring donkeys so they can do the work themselves? In Pakistan we use petrol rickshaws with even them being minority with stand vehicle taxi dominating. What does that tell you? On the ground the economics in Pakistan favours cars for taxi. In India and Bang the human becomes the beast. Bloody mockery.

And I won'y even go into starvation.

Ps. There is not a country on earth that has two wings so far apart and belonging to entirely differant ethnic groups. Such a conception in 1947 was crazy and bound to fail. Even English migrants living in America broke away to set up their America when both sets of people were English/English settlers. It was Richard versus Richard. So 1971 was better for them and us or it would have remained a running sore sapping the energy of the state.

West Pakistan has ethnic groups that have shared the same Indus Valley for mileniums and are contigous. Furthemore they are enmeshed socially and economically.



I did say the bike versions are more prevalent. However like I said they still depend on human articulation akin to having donkey on treadmill.

And yet, every index including the Global Hunger Index paints a different picture - that of India doing better than Pakistan.
Or car ownership index...or per capita income...or half a dozen other such indexes.
2015 Global Hunger Index: Armed Conflict and the Challenge of Hunger | IFPRI


Maybe, they are all Islamophobic(that's the term you lads use nowadays isn't it?). Because other than that, they have no reason to lie and say that India is doing better than Pakistan in all such indexes across a variety of Institutions.

All said and done lad, this part of the world is changing. And India is progressing much faster than Pakistan. While differences may appear be small enough right now for you to outrightly ignore them, you might not be able to do the same 10 years down the line when both India and Bangladesh leave Pakistan far behind in every positive index conceivable.

 

[danger007]

A few years ago Indians (and some of their American/European apologists) were harping on about, and hoping for, an "independent Pashtunistan", trying their best to categorize the TTP terrorist violence as 'Pashtun desires for independence from Pakistan' and completely ignoring the fact that the Taliban (TTP or Afghan) are by ideology (as an Islamist movement committed to Caliphate and what not) an expansionist movement, and not separatist.

A little later, as realizations about the nature of the TTP movement begain to sink in globally, the Indians and their American apologists latched onto 'Independent Balochistan' (made easier for the Americans by the fact that any such approach would also hurt Iran with its own Baloch issues). The Secular Baloch are our allies they railed. Of course with the security crackdown against Baloch terrorists, the successful Iran negotiations with the US, with many of the leading Baloch terrorists leaders and commanders now dead and many of the remaining few talking about negotiations to end violence, that particular idea is also going nowhere.

So of course now Indian desperation has led them to Sindh, with some of the same arguments made before being rehashed - 'the Secular Sindhis are our allies', 'Punjabi Oppression' etc etc. So intellectually weak is the argument here that even the so called OP based on the 'CRS research' can't offer a plausible reason for linking Sindh's governance and development issues to 'Punjabi domination'.

Sindh has been ruled by a 'Sindhi' political party since 2008. For 5 of those years the same 'Sindhi' political party also controlled the Federal government and led national discussions and agreements on increasing provincial control over various issues as well as an improved formula for resource sharing between the provinces and the Federal government. Sindh is mismanaged and underdeveloped because of Sindhis themselves, just as large parts of Punjab are mismanaged and underdeveloped because of Punjabis. In both cases the fault lies with the electorate, that chooses to return the same feudals and corrupt politicians to power.

In Punjab at least the competition between the PPP and PMLN (and now the PTI) has led to a need for those in power to demonstrate 'progress'. The same political dynamic now exists in NWFP, with the past 3 elections seeing 3 different alliances in power - MMA, PPP+ANP and now PTI+JI, with the PMLN a strong force that could form a government in alliance with other parties. The political landscape in Sindh offers no such relief to the Sindhis, with the PPP continuing to be voted in, continuing to destroy Sindh through corruption and incompetence, and continuing to be rewarded for its corruption and incompetence by the Sindhi electorate.


A handful of the tribals engaged in those atrocities. And, as Pakistan reported to the UNSC, the GoP did in fact ensure the eviction of the tribals as part of the first set of requirements under the UNSC Resolutions on the Kashmir Dispute, so you can stop using those lame excuses now.


45% - do you disagree with the 'the math I done'?
If you talk realistically, the argument of 'successful defence' only means that the Indian Army was incapable of any significant territorial gains against the Pakistan Army, once the Pakistan Army officially engaged the Indian Army in war.

may be Pakistan tried hard to get the land from India... India entered into war after pak forces reaches uri sector.. at least we don't handover our land to other states like pak shared land with China..

 

[livingdead]

A few years ago Indians (and some of their American/European apologists) were harping on about, and hoping for, an "independent Pashtunistan", trying their best to categorize the TTP terrorist violence as 'Pashtun desires for independence from Pakistan' and completely ignoring the fact that the Taliban (TTP or Afghan) are by ideology (as an Islamist movement committed to Caliphate and what not) an expansionist movement, and not separatist.

A little later, as realizations about the nature of the TTP movement begain to sink in globally, the Indians and their American apologists latched onto 'Independent Balochistan' (made easier for the Americans by the fact that any such approach would also hurt Iran with its own Baloch issues). The Secular Baloch are our allies they railed. Of course with the security crackdown against Baloch terrorists, the successful Iran negotiations with the US, with many of the leading Baloch terrorists leaders and commanders now dead and many of the remaining few talking about negotiations to end violence, that particular idea is also going nowhere.

So of course now Indian desperation has led them to Sindh, with some of the same arguments made before being rehashed - 'the Secular Sindhis are our allies', 'Punjabi Oppression' etc etc. So intellectually weak is the argument here that even the so called OP based on the 'CRS research' can't offer a plausible reason for linking Sindh's governance and development issues to 'Punjabi domination'.

Sindh has been ruled by a 'Sindhi' political party since 2008. For 5 of those years the same 'Sindhi' political party also controlled the Federal government and led national discussions and agreements on increasing provincial control over various issues as well as an improved formula for resource sharing between the provinces and the Federal government. Sindh is mismanaged and underdeveloped because of Sindhis themselves, just as large parts of Punjab are mismanaged and underdeveloped because of Punjabis. In both cases the fault lies with the electorate, that chooses to return the same feudals and corrupt politicians to power.

In Punjab at least the competition between the PPP and PMLN (and now the PTI) has led to a need for those in power to demonstrate 'progress'. The same political dynamic now exists in NWFP, with the past 3 elections seeing 3 different alliances in power - MMA, PPP+ANP and now PTI+JI, with the PMLN a strong force that could form a government in alliance with other parties. The political landscape in Sindh offers no such relief to the Sindhis, with the PPP continuing to be voted in, continuing to destroy Sindh through corruption and incompetence, and continuing to be rewarded for its corruption and incompetence by the Sindhi electorate.


A handful of the tribals engaged in those atrocities. And, as Pakistan reported to the UNSC, the GoP did in fact ensure the eviction of the tribals as part of the first set of requirements under the UNSC Resolutions on the Kashmir Dispute, so you can stop using those lame excuses now.


45% - do you disagree with the 'the math I done'?
If you talk realistically, the argument of 'successful defence' only means that the Indian Army was incapable of any significant territorial gains against the Pakistan Army, once the Pakistan Army officially engaged the Indian Army in war.

I just want it because I like the sound of it.. it sounds like bangladesh..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

back to old way of thinking eh

Nothing new or old about this. You should know the routine by now. Indian's make disparaging comments about Pak as "failed" or about to "break up into pieces" or "terrorist" which then gets the reaction of Indian "starvation, Dalits, Rickshaw pulling, filth".

When you lot stop with your garbage you will see it being reflected by us. Simple as that. Symmetry. If you go back you will see it was some Indian who began this by making provocative comments about Sindesh. Well we can't have asymmetry can we?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

In the US researchers get paid to write what the congress "needs to hear".

Not gonna change anything, let these small interest groups and lobby groups (some funded by indian) waste their money and time. Sindh certainly needs better governance but it's part and parcel and pride of Pakistan. It's PPP and feudal mafia types who think Sindh is their treasure and they can enslave the people

 

[Pakistanisage]

Pakistan's Sindh has characteristics of an independent state: US Congressional report:



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[illusion8]

A few years ago Indians (and some of their American/European apologists) were harping on about, and hoping for, an "independent Pashtunistan", trying their best to categorize the TTP terrorist violence as 'Pashtun desires for independence from Pakistan' and completely ignoring the fact that the Taliban (TTP or Afghan) are by ideology (as an Islamist movement committed to Caliphate and what not) an expansionist movement, and not separatist.

A little later, as realizations about the nature of the TTP movement begain to sink in globally, the Indians and their American apologists

Thats a wrong notion. .TTP wants the whole of Pakistan, similar to the AT wanting the whole of Afghanistan...They aren't for Pastunistan exactly...they are more ideological than territorial.

 

[Manidabest]

Just another article or report to sow discord in our Pakistan.... Tribes & People in Punjab & Sindh, Punjab & Balochistan, Punjab & KPK, Punjab & Kashmir, Sindh & Balochistan, Sindh & KPK, KPK & Kashmir, Balochistan & KPK are all interlinked and many have inter-marriages ....Nationalist policies of separatism have been exposed & failed ....

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

what US think is none of our concern....
We Pakistani are one

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Lol independent Sindh my ***.