Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[blain2]

After 429 pages, any conclusion? No!

Changing the IW within any army is a complex task. Wishlists and fan favorites aside, one should realize that comparing Pakistan Army with Portuguese Army is a joke. We are comparing a fighting force of almost 250,000 to 15,000 or so troops in the latter. These are fighting troops. Then you add the PAF and PN to this list for economies of scale and we are talking about almost half a million individual weapons with sparing. What Portugal can afford for 15,000 troops is an entirely different proposition than equipping half a million.

For as long as the G-3 and AK variants continue to provide value, Pakistan will carry on. This is because this is one of the single largest capital acquisition for the army and one that happens perhaps once every 30-50 years (G-3 was adopted in 1967!)

 

[Path-Finder]

They will be using Chinese Type 56-II AND G-3 for the near future because empty pockets cannot demand high end rifles

Is it because, the rifles tested were not anything extraordinary leap over Type56 and G3 that they needed to upgrade!

 

[Great Janjua]

The g3 needs to be made lighter

 

[TheDarkKnight]

After 429 pages, any conclusion? No!

Changing the IW within any army is a complex task. Wishlists and fan favorites aside, one should realize that comparing Pakistan Army with Portuguese Army is a joke. We are comparing a fighting force of almost 250,000 to 15,000 or so troops in the latter. These are fighting troops. Then you add the PAF and PN to this list for economies of scale and we are talking about almost half a million individual weapons with sparing. What Portugal can afford for 15,000 troops is an entirely different proposition than equipping half a million.

For as long as the G-3 and AK variants continue to provide value, Pakistan will carry on. This is because this is one of the single largest capital acquisition for the army and one that happens perhaps once every 30-50 years (G-3 was adopted in 1967!)

Well I would at least like to know if the project is still in progress - slow but is it still on or has it been put in the freezer? I thought CZ bren was working with POF and then there was a local design revealed as well.
@Arsalan @Horus

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

CZ did get pretty excited that's for sure.
FB Radom was also bisited in Piland by either Fen raheel sharif or Gen bajwa.

MSBS has 4 different configurations conventional rifle, bullpup, dmr and saw. So a nice package. But it is not modular in the sense that it can be modified to take either 556 or 762 ammo on the spot.

Well I would at least like to know if the project is still in progress - slow but is it still on or has it been put in the freezer? I thought CZ bren was working with POF and then there was a local design revealed as well.
@Arsalan @Horus

 

[Zarvan]

I am still hopeful that one western gun will come.

@Horus

 

[Great Janjua]

They will be using Chinese Type 56-II AND G-3 for the near future because empty pockets cannot demand high end rifles

Why would POF waste money to build a new rifle and also buy ak 103 if it would have been scrapped it does not make sense

 

[Mig hunter]

I think this thread should be converted to indigenous rifles news and discussion

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Thread title should be changed to billi ko chichton k khwab.

Or Zarwan ko Scar k khwab.

I think this thread should be converted to indigenous rifles news and discussion

 

[khanasifm]

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[niaz]

I was under the impression that the replacements for Type 56 & G-3 have already been chosen. G-3 being replaced by the gas-operated PK -18 and type 56 by PK-21 a version of Ak -103. Or am I mistaken?

 

[MastanKhan]

Why would POF waste money to build a new rifle and also buy ak 103 if it would have been scrapped it does not make sense

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[Invictus.inc]

"Not a significant leap forward"
^This statement is made by those that have absolutely no idea what so ever about firearms
The concept of a battle rifle is pretty much dead now
Most of the current warfare is focused around urban areas
G3 is heavy..it kicks like a mule...the recoil impulse is sharp making successive shots on target difficult to make
20 round Mag ..Ammo Weight is another problem
Not to mention the absurd length of the weapon
What more reasons do you need to replace it?
Hardly anyone wanted to carry the G3 while carry out Coin Operations
The only use for a G3 is as a squad support weapon possibly a DMR in line with the Hk417 of the Marine Corp & Dragnov Of the Russian Army

 

[Thunder.Storm]

 

[Armchair]

I was under the impression that the replacements for Type 56 & G-3 have already been chosen. G-3 being replaced by the gas-operated PK -18 and type 56 by PK-21 a version of Ak -103. Or am I mistaken?

Looks heavy. why I can't understand. Imagine lugging this around. Not sure why its any better than a G-3.