Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Path-Finder]

First of all no defects have come forward in SCAR in our trials. Secondly no rifle is coming with optics. We have to buy optics separately and I see optics from within Pakistan and Turkey but not from Europe. As for these buissesman they have nothing to do with defence matters.

Zarvan why do you get so emotional on a bloody rifle? I made that post as a bait and you bit it! Honestly you really think buying separate optics will be cheaper rather than getting as a bulk price? are you more intelligent than the PA decision makers? is the money coming out of your pocket?

@Path-Finder I believe Pakistan already has a few domestic vendors that can provide solutions for PA's optic needs.

my one and only reason for mentioning the optics is because Steiner is owned by Beretta and they make fine optics, now if there could be a deal that where rifle plus accessories also has Steiner optics then that has to be deal worth considering. i posted a video of the new Steiner offering which would be great 'if' offered as part of this deal!

 

[RAMPAGE]

Bhaio mujhay nahi pata bas Israel sai MEPRO MOR pakar lou ya phir IoP/Shibli sai reverse engineer karwalo.

 

[Zarvan]

Zarvan why do you get so emotional on a bloody rifle? I made that post as a bait and you bit it! Honestly you really think buying separate optics will be cheaper rather than getting as a bulk price? are you more intelligent than the PA decision makers? is the money coming out of your pocket?

my one and only reason for mentioning the optics is because Steiner is owned by Beretta and they make fine optics, now if there could be a deal that where rifle plus accessories also has Steiner optics then that has to be deal worth considering. i posted a video of the new Steiner offering which would be great 'if' offered as part of this deal!

I am not emotional I am just telling about what I get from source. Other countries who faced defects could have been using SCAR L and that for sure has issues but we are testing SCAR H and it is doing great in trials. Now as for optics no Rifle is coming up with Optics. We would have select Optics separately. No rifle is offering optics as well. I think for optics Italy and Turkey along with our own Shelbi can be great sources.

 

[Path-Finder]

I am not emotional I am just telling about what I get from source. Other countries who faced defects could have been using SCAR L and that for sure has issues but we are testing SCAR H and it is doing great in trials. Now as for optics no Rifle is coming up with Optics. We would have select Optics separately. No rifle is offering optics as well. I think for optics Italy and Turkey along with our own Shelbi can be great sources.

Doing Great in trials? so is Beretta, Zastava and Kalashnikov Concern!!! If issues exist with L then what are the chances that same may not exist with H as well? These issues have yet not surfaced either? do you have solid proof of it? are you going to ask FN Herstal?

Optics are a very precise and delicate engineering science. Now Pakistan does not have a history of making sophisticated modern electronic sights. The kind that are in the league of aimpoint among other vendors. You say Italy for optics well that is what I said and yet your clouded judgement did not ponder Steiner is the Italian optic as Steiner is owned by Italian Beretta!!! I have said this many times and few pages back you lashed out on the video of the optic I posted, Remember? Turkish optics are new on the market and will need to be tested where as established brands already exist.

Shelbi? Shibli? make Thermal sights unless they now make rifle sights as well then no they only specialise in thermal imagining

Zarvan sorry but you are VERY VERY Emotional.

 

[That Guy]

Doing Great in trials? so is Beretta, Zastava and Kalashnikov Concern!!! If issues exist with L then what are the chances that same may not exist with H as well? These issues have yet not surfaced either? do you have solid proof of it? are you going to ask FN Herstal?

Optics are a very precise and delicate engineering science. Now Pakistan does not have a history of making sophisticated modern electronic sights. The kind that are in the league of aimpoint among other vendors. You say Italy for optics well that is what I said and yet your clouded judgement did not ponder Steiner is the Italian optic as Steiner is owned by Italian Beretta!!! I have said this many times and few pages back you lashed out on the video of the optic I posted, Remember? Turkish optics are new on the market and will need to be tested where as established brands already exist.

Shelbi? Shibli? make Thermal sights unless they now make rifle sights as well then no they only specialise in thermal imagining

Zarvan sorry but you are VERY VERY Emotional.

Calm down, @Zarvan isn't being emotional, he's simply statin his own opinion.

 

[Path-Finder]

Calm down, @Zarvan isn't being emotional, he's simply statin his own opinion.

forgive me but this whole thread is one persons views and other views get shot down. if you go back to page 143 wher is posted this video and the response to it speaks volumes!

 

[That Guy]

forgive me but this whole thread is one persons views and other views get shot down. if you go back to page 143 wher is posted this video and the response to it speaks volumes!

A lot of people are presenting different opinions in this sticky thread.

Besides, it doesnt matter what his emotional state is. Don't bring it up again, it just makes your argument appear weaker.

 

[Taygibay]

LOL @RAMPAGE using a national product as an excuse to post a cutie.
And not just a somewhat suggestive scantily clad cutie but an Israeli one at!!!

You're the great provocateur of these lands, mate!

Good day all, Tay.

P.S.

I made that post as a bait and you bit it!

Why even do that in the first place?
It's a convo, not a trapping run!

 

[Path-Finder]

A lot of people are presenting different opinions in this sticky thread.

Besides, it doesnt matter what his emotional state is. Don't bring it up again, it just makes your argument appear weaker.

ok point taken onboard

 

[Zarvan]

Doing Great in trials? so is Beretta, Zastava and Kalashnikov Concern!!! If issues exist with L then what are the chances that same may not exist with H as well? These issues have yet not surfaced either? do you have solid proof of it? are you going to ask FN Herstal?

Optics are a very precise and delicate engineering science. Now Pakistan does not have a history of making sophisticated modern electronic sights. The kind that are in the league of aimpoint among other vendors. You say Italy for optics well that is what I said and yet your clouded judgement did not ponder Steiner is the Italian optic as Steiner is owned by Italian Beretta!!! I have said this many times and few pages back you lashed out on the video of the optic I posted, Remember? Turkish optics are new on the market and will need to be tested where as established brands already exist.

Shelbi? Shibli? make Thermal sights unless they now make rifle sights as well then no they only specialise in thermal imagining

Zarvan sorry but you are VERY VERY Emotional.

SCAR H is doing better than other rifles in trials this is what I know as for optics well the companies you are mentioning would be way expensive and Pakistan is ready to spend money on rifles but not on Scopes that much. So for scopes this Turkish company as vast experience
http://www.3eeos.com/en/main-page

http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/cap...applications/python-boa-thermal-weapon-sights
ASELSAN is also producing few great products. Also China would definitely have good stuff and we also have good relations with South Korea now

 

[RAMPAGE]

LOL @RAMPAGE using a national product as an excuse to post a cutie.
And not just a somewhat suggestive scantily clad cutie but an Israeli one at!!!

You're the great provocateur of these lands, mate!

Good day all, Tay.

P.S.

Why even do that in the first place?
It's a convo, not a trapping run!

Those who're provoked by everything Israeli should drown themselves in the Arabian sea. Admiration should be the only thought that should come to mind at the mention of the name Israel.

 

[Zarvan]

Different optics from Turkish company

 

[Arsalan]

I wouldn't look at the rifle in as much as the vendor. In other words, even if SCAR was a critically defective rifle, I would ask "is FN able to go back to the design room and pump out an improved version in short order?" This iterative cycle is critical because it seems to me that there are no truly perfect rifles in the running; with each trial the Pakistan Army will have feedback, and then in subsequent years (after long-term usage) the Army will have more feedback, and so on. In other words, we're not just buying a rifle, we're entering into a partnership.

Specially considering that there are now around 3 or may be even four guns that will give relatively similar performance and capabilities, looking at the supplier is getting all more importance.

This is something i have been trying to explain to all the enthusiasts out there, performance is just one single aspect that is being judged. The gun offering better business deal will be the winner!

 

[New Resolve]

Bhaio mujhay nahi pata bas Israel sai MEPRO MOR pakar lou ya phir IoP/Shibli sai reverse engineer karwalo.

Indeed a very hot product and the gun is ok too.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Can anyone update me what caliber was standardized for the competition?