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Rocket attacks rock Quetta; no causalities reported | Metropolitan | DAWN.COM

QUETTA: Two consecutive rocket attacks on Saturday spread fear in Quetta a day after a car-bomb blast killed more than a dozen, DawnNews reported.

However, according to rescue resources, attacks did not cause any causality.

The first rocket, fired from an unknown location, dropped in a graveyard near Sabzal Road was followed by the second one which dropped in a crop field next to Spinney Road.

Emergency was imposed in two hospitals of the city which was plunged with fear and chaos after the attacks.
 
What type of rockets are these buggers firing? RPGs? 122mm rockets? Or 107mm missiles? Where are they getting them from? There was a news report that the SAS had recently seized a consignment of Iranian rockets from the southern province of Nimroz, destined for Taliban fighters (TTP?). Now that's serious!
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What type of rockets are these buggers firing? RPGs? 122mm rockets? Or 107mm missiles? Where are they getting them from? There was a news report that the SAS had recently seized a consignment of Iranian rockets from the southern province of Nimroz, destined for Taliban fighters (TTP?). Now that's serious!
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Taliban/ TTP are mortal enemies of Shias. I dont know how credible this news about SAS siezing Iranian weapons for Taliban is. the same SAS that is blamed and actually caught in Iraq insitgating secterian violence.

just in case you demand the links I am providing some .. I trust you can look up the rest on the web. there are many examples


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdD4JdNNv0c
http://wagoodvdfilmtv.com/are-u-s-a...tarian-violence-in-iraq-to-divert-resistance/
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/2195-british-terrorism-iraq.html
 
I have met someone who says that this documentry was conducted few months back and provided transport to the team while it stayed in Sarena Hotel in Quetta.

I will give my analysis once you go through the report


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In the rugged mountains of southwest Pakistan lies the country's largest province of Balochistan. Far from the bustling cities of Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad, this remote region has been the battleground for a 60-year-long insurgency by the Baloch ethnic minority.

"The Baloch people now live in a state of war. Every day, they face injustice. The army and intelligence agents kidnap our young, and we know nothing about them for years. The Baloch people live in a state of war. We will not accept any offers until we regain control over this land. They burn down our homes and then ask us for peace? We are not stupid."

- Baloch Khan, Baloch rebel leader

The ongoing conflict is often called Pakistan's dirty war, because of the rising numbers of people who have disappeared or have been killed on both sides.

But the uprising against Pakistan's government has received little attention worldwide, in part because most eyes have been focused on the fight against the Taliban and al-Qaeda in other areas of Pakistan.

Bordering Iran and Afghanistan, Balochistan remains notorious for cross-border smuggling and has more recently been infiltrated by former members of the Taliban and al-Qaeda operatives. Few outsiders gain access or permission to travel in the region.

Al Jazeera's Ahmad Zaidan travelled to Balochistan to meet with key Balochi politicians who explain the history and current circumstances of the region and to get an exclusive interview with the leader of the Balochistan rebel movement seeking secession from Pakistan.

This film offers a glimpse into a region which, in 2010, had the highest number of militant, insurgent and sectarian attacks of any province in Pakistan. It is a region torn apart with separatist organisations attacking the state, sectarian and ethnic attacks, and crime, including kidnapping for ransom.
 
I wont be going through the documentary, whatever is written is 100 % true.

shame on those who support killing of Baloch, shame on those who oppress Baloch, shame on those who take away rights of Baloch people.
 
the program is heavily edited and keeps the Anti-Pakistan taste for the sell value.
here are the videos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4aT...xt=C3093bf2UDOEgsToPDskJhVV0EvC_0Lcm2G-J39Mz1


the CM's interview is heavily edited and the meeting with Haider Abbas Magsi has been totally removed who gave some shocking accounts of the BLA leadership.

please check out the videos and give your feedback and kindly keep the rhetoric and tacky lines out of the discussion and stay on topic. I will share my side later with you
 
I wont be going through the documentary, whatever is written is 100 % true.

shame on those who support killing of Baloch, shame on those who oppress Baloch, shame on those who take away rights of Baloch people.

please do go through the documentary because then the shame is on you for making a prejudgement .

I dont think anyone in this forum will support the killing of another human being, let alone Baloch. why only shame on those who take away the rights of Baloch? which baloch? onyl Bughti, marri and Mangal or Hazara, Magsi and Pashton too?

again. for the sake of your Avatar please make an effort and contribute more than what you just said above
 
I wont be going through the documentary, whatever is written is 100 % true.

shame on those who support killing of Baloch, shame on those who oppress Baloch, shame on those who take away rights of Baloch people.

And no shame on you for not going through the non Pakistani documentary and giving petty replies?
 
Videos are in Arabic, sir. I can't understand what they are saying. No English subtitles available?
 
Videos are in Arabic, sir. I can't understand what they are saying. No English subtitles available?

the link on the first post contains the full video on the website

sorry I didnt realise that youtube version was in Arabaic

it is corrected now.. full one version in English from Ahmed Zaidan who also happens to be a Baloch himself so its understandable how the program is presented. normally its Kamal Haider who reports on Pakistan but maybe Zaidan was seen as a better option.
never mind that, all News Channels and other reporting media give their version of reporting Al Jazera is no exception here
 
please do go through the documentary because then the shame is on you for making a prejudgement .

I dont think anyone in this forum will support the killing of another human being, let alone Baloch. why only shame on those who take away the rights of Baloch? which baloch? onyl Bughti, marri and Mangal or Hazara, Magsi and Pashton too?

again. for the sake of your Avatar please make an effort and contribute more than what you just said above

no, the shame is surely on the military!! I dont favour their "missions" in the name of Pakistan...
they only portrayed the true picture of whats going on in Balochistan, which someone doesnot want to believe to be true... conscience becomes a hurdle, ego finds its way by denial...

Respect earned through Respect given !!!
 
Irfan Bhai, you are from Balochistan. Why don't you give us a first hand account of what the heck is really going on out there? We would like to hear it straight from the 'horse's mouth'.
 
Interesting article that I came across. Thought members might be interested

Foreign powers have dangerous designs in Balochistan
Thu, 2011-09-08 03:56 — editor


By Asif Haroon Raja

Balochistan has figured high on the agenda of USA because of its geo-strategic importance. Former USSR too had toyed with the idea of Balochistan getting separated and coming under its influence since it provided the shortest route to warm waters.

KGB along with RAW and KHAD had supported insurgency in Balochistan from 1973 to 1977. Landlocked Afghanistan too evinced interest in Balochistan and always welcomed dissident Baloch Sardars and gave them asylum. Currently USA and its close allies are eying at Balochistan and Central Asian-Caspian Sea mineral resources.

The hungry eyes of USA are transfixed on the hidden treasures of Balochistan, laden with oil, gas, coal, black diamond, gold, silver, copper, zinc and precious stones. Reportedly, the province has 19 trillion cubic feet of natural gas reserve and 6 trillion barrels of oil reserve. Huge quantity of gold and copper found in Riqo Deq in Chaghai region has watered the mouths of several foreign companies and are desperate to clinch the mining deal.

Like USA, India too has deep interest in Balochistan. RAW had established contacts in this province in early 1970s and had played a significant role in Marri-Mengal led 1973 insurgency. Taking advantage of its closeness with USA, India is anxious to keep Pakistan deprived and draw maximum benefits from Central Asian markets. While it is overly eager to gain land route through Pakistan’s Wagah border to Afghanistan and Central Asia, it is striving hard to destabilize and possibly detach Balochistan from Pakistan so that the economic activity generated by USA in Central Asia doesn’t benefit Pakistan. It established 26 consulates/intelligence offices along Balochistan border in Afghanistan. Indian consulate in Zahidan was also Balochistan specific.

If one browses the US official website (US Citizenship & Immigration Service), one finds a form showing Balochistan as a separate state. Several US officials and US media have been projecting Balochistan as an independent and sovereign state and have circulated map of a truncated Pakistan minus Balochistan, FATA and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. In some maps Jinnahpur has also been shown. The US think tanks have been propagating creation of Greater Balochistan, which includes Sistan province of Iran.

CIA and MI-6, later joined by RAW and Mossad bribed and induced the Baloch Sardars of Bugti, Marri and Mengal tribes in 2002 and promised them all out support to make Balochistan a self-governing state. They were advised to keep airing their grievances about greater political rights, autonomy and control over natural resources and at an opportune time launch armed insurgency. All arrangements for funneling funds, weapons and equipment from Afghanistan, India and Zahidan and setting up training camps in interior Balochistan for training of rebels as well as communication network were tied up. 60 Farari (training) camps were setup in interior Balochistan to destabilize the province.

The three dissident Baloch Sardars together with nationalist insurgent groups are up in arms since 2004. Insurgency picked up momentum after the death of Nawab Akbar Bugti on 26 August 2006. He is lionized by the Balochis as a hero for having sacrificed his life for the sake of Baloch cause. Insurgency has now taken the shape of a separatist movement. After the death of Balach Marri, Akbar Bugti’s nephew Brahamdagh Bugti leading Baloch Republican Army (BRA), took up the mantle and continued launching terrorists from Afghanistan under the patronage of RAAM and RAW. He is now based in Switzerland and is patronized by USA and India. He openly claims that he had been receiving assistance from India and Afghanistan. He has requested US to stop aid to Pak Army so that it is unable to take action against Baloch rebels seeking independence.

Escapees Harbyar Marri and Khan of Kalat Mir Suleiman located in London are sheltered by Britain. Harbyar has been given political asylum despite being declared an absconder and involved in anti-state activities. Wahid Baloch, President Baloch Society of North America stated that Balochis loved Indian friends and wanted them to rescue the Balochis from the tyranny and oppression of Pak government. B. Raman, a former RAW agent wrote to Sonia Gandhi that struggle for independent Balochistan was part of unfinished agenda of partition. So-called government of Balochistan in exile is setup in Jerusalem in World Baloch Jewish Alliance Building and Mir Azad Khan Baloch is general secretary.

Militant organizations such as Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) under Harbyar, BRA, Baloch Liberation Front (BLF) under Dr Allah Nazar and Lashkar-e-Balochistan banned by Pakistan are materially and financially funded by CIA, RAW, MI-6, RAAM and Mossad to keep Balochistan destabilized through acts of sabotage and subversion. BLA alone receives Rupees 50-90 million per month from CIA to meet its expenses. Once majority of Farari camps were destroyed by security forces, members of these groups were imparted training in Afghanistan by Indian military trainers in dozens of training camps. These groups are involved in target killings of settlers, pro-Pakistan nationalist leaders and political activists, kidnappings, extra judicial killings and bomb blasts. Runaway terrorists taking part in subversive activities in Balochistan are projected as missing persons and the Army and intelligence agencies blamed for it by Human Rights.

While Baloch inhabited parts including Quetta are restive, Pashtun regions of the province have by and large remained peaceful. Pashtuns in Balochistan have played no role in Baloch insurgency, nor have shown any signs of separatist tendency. In fact they are a big check on Baloch separatists. Failing to win them over, Sanaullah Baloch, a nationalist Baloch leader seeking right of self determination for Balochistan in frustration had sounded threat of Talibanization in certain parts of Balochistan in early 2010. Two military operations in neighboring Helmand province by US-UK forces were launched with an eye on southwestern Balochistan to make it restless. The US wish to start drone war in Pashtun inhabited areas under the pretext of targeting Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders is also meant to foment militancy in that part and then develop alignment between Baloch and Pashtun militants. Demand put in by ANP for a separate province for Pashtuns in Balochistan could also be a sinister move to serve foreign agenda.

Indo-US-western powers are coaxing the rebel leaders in exile and nationalist leaders not to accept lucrative Balochistan package, development of Gwadar deep seaport and other mega projects, construction of military cantonments in Gwadar, Sui and Kohlu, grant of provincial autonomy and amnesty to exiled leaders since in their view all these are tricks to enslave the Balochis. They are instigating them to remain steadfast on single point agenda of independence and to continue airing grievances. They are deceptively led up the garden path that the oil, gas and mineral resources would be theirs to enjoy.

In order to help the cause of separatists, terrorist activities against Frontier Corps (FC) convoys and posts, gas pipelines, electric grids and pylons, bridges, railway tracks and trains, together with target killings and kidnappings for ransom by BLA and BRA terrorists are never objected to by USA, western world, paid NGOs and human rights organization led by Zohra Yusaf, Asma Jahangir, Hina Jilani and IA Rahman. The HRCP has recently issued a concocted report on Balochistan mainly to malign the Army. It is being wrongly projected that the Army is conducting military operation in Balochistan and involved in abduction and extra judicial killings, and that the Baloch are being victimized.

HRCP has made no mention of blatant interference of foreign agencies in Balochistan, or the sufferings of non-Baloch at the hands of Baloch rebels, and the perverse role of nationalists injecting hatred into the minds of the youths, burning of national flag, disallowing flying of Pakistani flag and singing of national anthem in schools and colleges located within Baloch dominated areas and systematic poisoning of minds of the Baloch youth and women in Balochistan against Punjab and Army.

Balochistan security situation is effectively being handled by the FC since late 2006 and FC is controlled by Ministry of Interior. The Army confined to cantonments is extending a helping hand in development works only.

Notwithstanding that the three planned military cantonments in interior Balochistan would have contributed a great deal towards uplift of the surrounding regions; the project has been shelved to honor the sentiments of the Baloch. Sui and Gwadar are being turned into education cities where Amy Medical College and modern schools are being opened. Baloch youth are joining armed forces and paramilitary forces in big numbers and significant numbers are being adjusted in government jobs. These are positive signs but a cause of frustration for anti-Pakistan Baloch nationalists. While the Army is doing its bit to win over people of Balochistan, the politicians are taking things easy and are not seized with the gravity of the situation in Balochistan where foreign powers have made deep inroads and have dangerous designs.
 
Irfan Bhai, you are from Balochistan. Why don't you give us a first hand account of what the heck is really going on out there? We would like to hear it straight from the 'horse's mouth'.

Agree Irfanbhai give us some of your views I am also very confused on this issue. It is clear that outside agencies and countries are interfering but how much is down to outside interference and how much is genuine discrimination. Also I know that there are people who are suffering from bad govern-ship in Punjab. However if the same problem happened lets say in Baluchistan some people there may think that they are getting abused because they are Balochis rather than just bad govern-ship by the central government
 
well please put source up and full story so we can see details.

that is right

without details or source its pointless to post.

Orian & Aryan_B
I will add my side as I said earlier also I will include the comments from the guy who actually provided some transport to the Al Jazera team when it visited Quetta few months back.

also I will mention my late friend Capt. Ali Rauf Magsi (Shaheed) and my Cousin who served as a Major in in FC and his family came under rocket attacks by the BLA.
I will also give you the reaction of my class fellow who's family business was burnt in Quetta in the early 2000's.


currently I am busy but rest assured I shall upload my detailed post shortly.
 
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