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PAKISTAN’S SAUDI-IRAN BALANCING ACT

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A NUMBER of high-profile Saudi visitors have been in Islamabad recently. Saudi Foreign Minister Saud Al Faisal visited the capital on Jan 7; this was said to be the most high-level Saudi visit to Pakistan in six years. On Monday, another prince from the desert kingdom, Salman bin Sultan, who is also his country’s deputy defence minister, was in Islamabad to meet the prime minister and army chief heading a 17-member defence delegation.

There has been much speculation about the ‘real’ nature of the visits, ranging from the Saudis wanting to seek Pakistani help to train the Syrian rebels, to talk of Riyadh bailing out Pervez Musharraf, saving the former president-general from the ignominy of a messy public trial.

What is clear is that Nawaz Sharif enjoys the confidence of the Saudis and the visits mark renewed warmth in ties between Riyadh and Islamabad. Interestingly, the Saudis largely gave a cold shoulder to the Asif Zardari-led PPP government during its tenure.

To gauge the Saudis’ confidence in Mr Sharif, we should consider this quote from Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the Saudi financier and a member of the House of Saud, given to the Wall Street Journal: “Nawaz Sharif, specifically, is very much Saudi Arabia’s man in Pakistan.”

Former foreign secretary Najmuddin Shaikh concurred that the visits by senior Saudi figures marked a new direction in relations between the two countries. “There is a lot of significance to these visits. They have come after a long time. The Saudis have always said they have a special relationship with Pakistan. They consider Pakistan a second line of defence, to be called up in times of difficulty.”

However, considering Pakistan’s current predicament regarding the unchecked growth of sectarian militancy, it is significant that the Prime Minister’s Adviser on Foreign Affairs and National Security Sartaj Aziz told the press that Pakistan had asked for Saudi help to “deal” with sectarianism during Prince Saud’s visit.

One senior former diplomat told this writer that he believed at least 50pc of the madressahs in Pakistan were either directly funded by the Saudi government, or by Saudi philanthropists. If even a fraction of this estimate is correct, the Saudis could significantly help by cutting off funding to those madressahs that spread extremist or sectarian views. “They have extensive control,” remarked Mr Shaikh when asked about Saudi influence.

Yet senior journalist Khaled Ahmed, who has authored a book on sectarianism in Pakistan, was sceptical about the extent of Saudi influence.

“The Saudis can’t help because the funding is private and Arab, not entirely Saudi. Iran is reactive and will stop if the Arab funding stops.”

While the level of Saudi involvement and ability to cut off funds to extremist madressahs may be up for debate, it is largely true that both Saudi and Iranian ulema wield considerable influence over the Sunni and Shia communities in Pakistan, respectively, and what they say can change the discourse.

For example, Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei, in his role as marja-i-taqleed (object of emulation, one of the highest positions in the Shia clerical hierarchy), has forbidden the use of impolitic language directed against figures from Islamic history held in high esteem by Sunnis.

On the other hand, Saudi Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz Aal As Shaykh, in his last Haj sermon, also called for shunning sectarianism and condemned terrorism. While the Saudi religious leader is an adherent of the Salafi creed, whereas most Pakistani Sunnis — both Barelvi and Deobandi — are Hanafi, the cleric’s pronouncements nonetheless have influence, largely due to Islam’s two holiest sites being located in Saudi Arabia.

Such constructive remarks from Iranian and Saudi clergymen are welcome; however, they will only have an impact if they are actively propagated at the mosque and madressah level in Pakistan.

Ultimately, Pakistan will have to walk a fine line balancing its relations with the Saudis and Iranians, keeping both regional players in confidence.

As Dr Farhan Siddiqi, an academic at the University of Karachi’s Department of International Relations says, “We cannot ignore Iran. We share borders. [The government] will have to balance the relationship. Pakistan has to work out a strategy to convince both the Saudis and the US to work with Iran.”

PAKISTAN’S SAUDI-IRAN BALANCING ACT - DAWN.COM
 
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Right now the balance is perhaps only in some people's imagination. Practically there is no balance as of now. But I do not see things happening any other way.

I hope that Iran shuns some of its sectarian policies, comes out of sanctions, and improves its economy. As long as Iran is viewed as an agent of instability and exporter of a militant ideology, there can not be much of a balance.
 
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Hmmm.....
IMO Saudis think of us as their handymen who will do their work (dirty work) in rough times.

I don't support it.....

As the article says they directly or their people are funding the institutions that are producing suicide bombers which in turn are killing our soldiers, not to mention the aid Saudis give us (if any) is most probably lesser than this "private funding".

I don't support it either.....

ranging from the Saudis wanting to seek Pakistani help to train the Syrian rebels

I have no idea of how to respond to this post, i think of Syrians as my brothers and these stupid buffoons want help of my country to propagate war on them!? Why!? Just because they are from the other sect.!? While these people themselves are being supported by America and it's allies, i mean seriously guys WTH!?

Ok.... now comes Iran, as much as it hurts me to say Iran is becoming close allies with India which i have problems with not only as a Pakistani but also i would like to ask Iranians how can you guys be friends with a country which let you down in the UN?, also how can you be friends with a country which is largest importer of Israeli weapons?, not to mention Israeli economy is based heavily upon these imports.

Now i am not saying that Pakistanis are angels but by and large we have a positive attitude towards Iranian nation, at least the educated ones. I am not saying that there is no sectarianism here, it is, and will stay for some time. All i wish is for two immediate neighbors to co-operate in a much friendly way as there are no serious problems in the said approach, and even if there are, they are of size able magnitude and can be solved easily.
 
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Ok.... now comes Iran, as much as it hurts me to say Iran is becoming close allies with India which i have problems with not only as a Pakistani but also i would like to ask Iranians how can you guys be friends with a country which let you down in the UN?, also how can you be friends with a country which is largest importer of Israeli weapons?, not to mention Israeli economy is based heavily upon these imports.
Do you have a problem with Israel?
 
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We haven't accepted Israel's existence as a state.....
 
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Right now the balance is perhaps only in some people's imagination. Practically there is no balance as of now. But I do not see things happening any other way.

I hope that Iran shuns some of its sectarian policies, comes out of sanctions, and improves its economy. As long as Iran is viewed as an agent of instability and exporter of a militant ideology, there can not be much of a balance.

One senior former diplomat told this writer that he believed at least 50pc of the madressahs in Pakistan were either directly funded by the Saudi government, or by Saudi philanthropists. If even a fraction of this estimate is correct, the Saudis could significantly help by cutting off funding to those madressahs that spread extremist or sectarian views.

You must have missed the part highlighted in red and thats OK majority of Pakistanis cant read this and directly go to blame Iran for sectarian problems in pakistan.

You fail to understand me son. What makes you think that I have anything to say about Saudis?

Please feel free to explain yourself as I also fail to understand you. Here is my understanding of hand or and.">your and other pakistani as long as the sectarian problem of Pakistan can be blamed on Iran Indian or Israel and not saudi Arabia we are willing to call it a problem otherwise what problem.


stop trying to derail this thread
 
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Iran is your neighbor and can be a strategic ally, Saudi Arabia on the other hand funds terrorist groups that kill Arabs and Pakistanis. Don't forget the same people that kill Pakistani women and children with drones are welcomed with open arms in Saudi Arabia. Remember the Saudi government is an ally of Israel, if Saudis will back stab the Arabs what makes you think they won't back stab Pakistan . When you deal with devil you will get burned for sure.
 
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One senior former diplomat told this writer that he believed at least 50pc of the madressahs in Pakistan were either directly funded by the Saudi government, or by Saudi philanthropists. If even a fraction of this estimate is correct, the Saudis could significantly help by cutting off funding to those madressahs that spread extremist or sectarian views.

You must have missed the part highlighted in red and thats OK majority of Pakistanis cant read this and directly go to blame Iran for sectarian problems in pakistan.



Please feel free to explain yourself as I also fail to understand you. Here is my understanding of hand or and.">your and other pakistani as long as the sectarian problem of Pakistan can be blamed on Iran Indian or Israel and not saudi Arabia we are willing to call it a problem otherwise what problem.

Cheetah bhai, I am not ignoring the part in red. If you read carefully, I am actually agreeing with it. When people talk of Pakistan balancing between Iran and Saudi, they are wrong. Pakistan's tilt is so far out towards Saudis that it is clearly wrong to talk about any balance. I hope you understand me now. Hadith: "Husn-e-Zan Sadaqah ki tarah hai".

You do not really need to be so pro-active in championing Iran. The difference between Iran and Saudi is that of scale, not intentions or even methods. We can debate about it if you wish, but given the evidence I do not see how you could convince me otherwise. Pakistani Shia brothers (yes brothers - though estranged and at times provocative) are not all fluffy bunnies. Neither are Iranis fluffy peace-loving bunnies. In any case I do not like overt Saudi support for extremists in Pakistan, nor would I defend any of its effects. You could understand my drift if you were to look at the problem from an analytical perspective instead of being emotional and thus biased.

I do not blame Iran for anything other than openly championing Shia cause to the detriment of peace and stability of their neighbors. Obviously any theocracy would attach itself to some particular interpretation of religion, and then go on to champion it. This is exactly what Iran has done, and continues to do so. You may not see it that way, but I do. I have some understanding of your perspective, and I hope you would make an effort to accommodate my POV too.
 
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Cheetah bhai, I am not ignoring the part in red. If you read carefully, I am actually agreeing with it. When people talk of Pakistan balancing between Iran and Saudi, they are wrong. Pakistan's tilt is so far out towards Saudis that it is clearly wrong to talk about any balance. I hope you understand me now. Hadith: "Husn-e-Zan Sadaqah ki tarah hai".

You do not really need to be so pro-active in championing Iran. The difference between Iran and Saudi is that of scale, not intentions or even methods. We can debate about it if you wish, but given the evidence I do not see how you could convince me otherwise. Pakistani Shia brothers (yes brothers - though estranged and at times provocative) are not all fluffy bunnies. Neither are Iranis fluffy peace-loving bunnies. In any case I do not like overt Saudi support for extremists in Pakistan, nor would I defend any of its effects. You could understand my drift if you were to look at the problem from an analytical perspective instead of being emotional and thus biased.

I do not blame Iran for anything other than openly championing Shia cause to the detriment of peace and stability of their neighbors. Obviously any theocracy would attach itself to some particular interpretation of religion, and then go on to champion it. This is exactly what Iran has done, and continues to do so. You may not see it that way, but I do. I have some understanding of your perspective, and I hope you would make an effort to accommodate my POV too.


KARACHI:
Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat (ASWJ) will hold a sit-in outside the Iranian Consulate General on January 31, against what the party termed, ‘Iran’s increasing interference to flare sectarian tension in Pakistan.’


The ASWJ leadership made the announcement on Sunday as its activists held a protest at the Karachi Press Club in connection with the disclosure of a ‘neighbouring country’s involvement in sectarian violence’ by Raja Omar Khattab, in-charge of the Crime Investigation Department’s (CID) Counter Terrorism and Financial Crime Unit, a day earlier.

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The activists shouted slogans against the Iranian government as they demanded the Pakistani authorities to raise the matter on the diplomatic front.

Allama Taj Muhammad Hanafi, the ASWJ’s Karachi spokesperson, said that Khattab’s revelations about the 17-member group, affiliated with the banned outfit, Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan, were an eye-opener for the government. Speaking to the media on Saturday, Khattab said that the group was involved in around 60 cases of sectarian killings in Karachi alone and was being provided funds and militancy training by a neighbouring country.

“We demand that the government to launch a crackdown against such elements and keep a strict check on suspicious activities,” said Allama Hanafi.

Meanwhile, the Majlis-e-Wahdat-e-Muslimeen, in reaction to the CID’s arrests of alleged target killers, said that they will not tolerate the detention of innocent Shia youngsters. Its deputy secretary general, Allama Ali Anwar, said that the community reserves the right to protest the arrests of innocent people by the law enforcers.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 27th, 2014.

In Most civilized countries Sipah-e-Sahaba AKA ASWJ would not be allowed to operate freely and its members captured and charged as terrorist but not in pakistan. not only are the allowed to operate they are given help by'' Raja Omar Khattab, in-charge of the Crime Investigation Department’s (CID) Counter Terrorism and Financial Crime Unit. apparently he is blind to millions upon millions ASWJ gets from GCC . So trust me i am well aware of your analytical perspective.

Good news is pakistan is reaching a junction faster then speeding train unless the problem is addressed with sincerity and fixed it will derail.
 
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I think if such an act really exists, its a good move and Pakistan should strive to remove misunderstandings between the two.....
 
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In Most civilized countries Sipah-e-Sahaba AKA ASWJ would not be allowed to operate freely and its members captured and charged as terrorist but not in pakistan. not only are the allowed to operate they are given help by'' Raja Omar Khattab, in-charge of the Crime Investigation Department’s (CID) Counter Terrorism and Financial Crime Unit. apparently he is blind to millions upon millions ASWJ gets from GCC . So trust me i am well aware of your analytical perspective.

Good news is pakistan is reaching a junction faster then speeding train unless the problem is addressed with sincerity and fixed it will derail.

There is a subtle difference here. While LeJ is banned for terrorism, ASWJ is involved in politics. So you could say that anti-Shia elements have a militant wing and a political wing. In Pakistan such things happen, especially when different sects have various and multiple affiliated political parties. As long as there are sectarian religious political parties, we would see entities as SSP and ASWJ etc... To stop this madness, there should be legislation that prohibits political parties on basis of sectarian distinctions.

You see we have LeJ / ASWJ pair; then what is the analog of ASWJ from Shia side, since we already have SeM?

I would like to remind you of my words from earlier post: "The difference between Iran and Saudi is that of scale, not intentions or even methods." Saudi Arabia and Iran are both abetting terrorism inside Pakistan.

One's perceptions are determined by primary identity - Muslim, Shia, or Pakistani or whatever. Which ever takes precedence determines one's outlook and bias.
 
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