Pakistan’s pangolins fall victim to Chinese demand

[nahtanbob]

I have not much knowledge about pangolin.
Could not we take it positively? If pangolin demand is high and it could be farmed, GoP should raise a section at PARC for research purpose and start farming, persuade people and export?
Recently, I came thru an article. The consumption of hens feet is not common in Pakistan and most of them end up in garbage. A Chinese business group was in Qissa-Khawani poultry market, they noticed it and enquired about it. Now on daily basis only KPK contributing six or sixty (not sure) thousand kilos of that item to China and earning.
A useless item in Pakistan is a delicacy in chins. We have to think out of the box.

breeding wild animals is a little tricky. you have to learn a little bit more

 

[khail007]

breeding wild animals is a little tricky. you have to learn a little bit more

Understand ... that's why mentioned in my post about pre R&D thru some government organisation upon feasibility.

 

[beijingwalker]

Pangolins are protected animals in China and hunting them will land you in a jail serving prison terms.

 

[nahtanbob]

Understand ... that's why mentioned in my post about pre R&D thru some government organisation upon feasibility.

visit a lot of zoos in the West. a lot of money has been spent on this subject. it is non-trivial subject

 

[khail007]

visit a lot of zoos in the West. a lot of money has been spent on this subject. it is non-trivial subject

So if west already done the homework mean there is nothing positive in this case.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I have not much knowledge about pangolin.
Could not we take it positively? If pangolin demand is high and it could be farmed, GoP should raise a section at PARC for research purpose and start farming, persuade people and export?
Recently, I came thru an article. The consumption of hens feet is not common in Pakistan and most of them end up in garbage. A Chinese business group was in Qissa-Khawani poultry market, they noticed it and enquired about it. Now on daily basis only KPK contributing six or sixty (not sure) thousand kilos of that item to China and earning.
A useless item in Pakistan is a delicacy in chins. We have to think out of the box.

What rubbish. It's ENDANGERED. It's not a business commodity. Doesn't matter what anyone pays, it isn't for sale. How would Chinese feel if we smuggled pandas out for use in our delicacies? Believe me I am China's no. 1 fan but no way should they be allowing this illegal trade to go unchecked. I hope Pakistan and China's police join forces to put an end to this trade. And as for Pakistani civilians who think it is some kind of threat, we need to reeducate these folks asap.

 

[Yankee-stani]

The whole "traditional medicine" crap is problem with Southeast Asia and East Asian countries needs to be counter to consumers by those govts like China I recall Shark Fin soup use to be a delicacy but was cracked down hard fell out of fashion

 

[nahtanbob]

The whole "traditional medicine" crap is problem with Southeast Asia and East Asian countries needs to be counter to consumers by those govts like China I recall Shark Fin soup use to be a delicacy but was cracked down hard fell out of fashion

some of them sound exotic like shark fin. but some of them like deer penis. I will pass under all circumstances

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

visit a lot of zoos in the West. a lot of money has been spent on this subject. it is non-trivial subject

Because humans cant mimic nature yet and most animals breeding habits are far more complicated then mere chickens and cows.

 

[Yankee-stani]

some of them sound exotic like shark fin. but some of them like deer penis. I will pass under all circumstances

Ahh Recall Andrew Zimmern the dude who ate nasty stuff I remember he ate Tiger Penis in one Episode of China

 

[khail007]

What rubbish. It's ENDANGERED. It's not a business commodity. Doesn't matter what anyone pays, it isn't for sale. How would Chinese feel if we smuggled pandas out for use in our delicacies? Believe me I am China's no. 1 fan but no way should they be allowing this illegal trade to go unchecked. I hope Pakistan and China's police join forces to put an end to this trade. And as for Pakistani civilians who think it is some kind of threat, we need to reeducate these folks asap.

You go thru the whole scenario and then discuss ... don't jump between and reach to the conclusions.
Further ... 'Hubbarah Bustard' and 'Markhor' are not endangered?

Because humans cant mimic nature yet and most animals breeding habits are far more complicated then mere chickens and cows.

You are right. IMO ... we are more familiar with cattles/poultry and know how to farm/breed them, so this chapter feels easy. If you adopt other species to whom you are not familiar but financially they are viable, will be difficult to breed/farm as you will be not familiar but over the time, you will learn the know how.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

You go thru the whole scenario and then discuss ... don't jump between and reach to the conclusions.
Further ... 'Hubbarah Bustard' and 'Markhor' are not endangered?


You are right. IMO ... we are more familiar with cattles/poultry and know how to farm/breed them, so this chapter feels easy. If you adopt other species to whom you are not familiar but financially they are viable, will be difficult to breed/farm as you will be not familiar but over the time, you will learn the know how.

Agree totally on bustard and markhoor. Why would I selectively seek protection of one endangered species but not another? If numbers can be recovered enough to get them off the endangered list and permit limited wild reserve hunting of certain species, this would be acceptable. Now with the pangolin, you are taking about recovering their numbers to create commercial pangolin farms. I disagree with such usage of land in this way. When there is no need for such a farm except to feed a foreign specialist culinary or homeopathic trade, why do so? Commercial farming affects ecosystems. We should protect natural habitats and allow populations to recover in their native undisturbed lands, and moreover it is likely that other species or plant life would be impacted if any such farming activity gained traction among local communities. In any case, that is a different debate. For now, pangolin is endangered so should be left in peace. Even if recovered, I would be uncomfortable commercially farming it for homeopathic medicine.

 

[khail007]

Agree totally on bustard and markhoor. Why would I selectively seek protection of one endangered species but not another? If numbers can be recovered enough to get them off the endangered list and permit limited wild reserve hunting of certain species, this would be acceptable. Now with the pangolin, you are taking about recovering their numbers to create commercial pangolin farms. I disagree with such usage of land in this way. When there is no need for such a farm except to feed a foreign specialist culinary or homeopathic trade, why do so? Commercial farming affects ecosystems. We should protect natural habitats and allow populations to recover in their native undisturbed lands, and moreover it is likely that other species or plant life would be impacted if any such farming activity gained traction among local communities. In any case, that is a different debate. For now, pangolin is endangered so should be left in peace. Even if recovered, I would be uncomfortable commercially farming it for homeopathic medicine.

OK ... we don't do it. Chinese could eat anything, if they themselves start doing this then what would we could do. They are very resourceful and hardworking ... believe me one day they will do it provided it is viable to their demand.
If we talk about Pakistan ... here up to now we are unable to convince the farmers not to use Oxytocin for dairy cattles and the result is now you could not see the vultures flying, the natural scavengers in Pakistan.
Somewhere in Pakistan, a government institute trying hard to breed them but not of much success.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

You go thru the whole scenario and then discuss ... don't jump between and reach to the conclusions.
Further ... 'Hubbarah Bustard' and 'Markhor' are not endangered?


You are right. IMO ... we are more familiar with cattles/poultry and know how to farm/breed them, so this chapter feels easy. If you adopt other species to whom you are not familiar but financially they are viable, will be difficult to breed/farm as you will be not familiar but over the time, you will learn the know how.

It will take years of research and even then some species are incredibly difficult to work with, because of their complex natures

 

[Nein]

This is so sad, Pakistan must do all it can to protect its animal treasures.

Once they are gone they gone for good.