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If India is so good at nuclear reactors why is Russia building them for India?
We are making N-reactors upto 700MWe.Russian ones we bought are 1000MWe +.
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If India is so good at nuclear reactors why is Russia building them for India?
The issue is NOT if India cant build them, but whether India can build them in the time it needs them.We are making N-reactors upto 700MWe.Russian ones we bought are 1000MWe +.
The issue is NOT if India cant build them, but whether India can build them in the time it needs them.
hi oscar!
You are cent percent correct! back in 2013,when BARC came to my college for recruitment drive advertisement and just to motivate young engineers to take up career in nuclear engineering( instead of settling for companies like goldman sachs,credit suisse etc that visit my college and hire engineers at really awesome salaries),i raised this very same question to the guy giving the speech and he simply said-
"India's established manufacturing capabilities in nuclear energy sector cant keep pace with the demand of energy and hence we'll buy additional reactors to balance the offset".
Then i asked him about development of light weight reactors,and he replied that india's focus was never on LWRs,instead it was on PHWRs(1st stage),FBR(2nd stage) and AHWR(3rd stage),CHTRs(4th gen).He went on to explain how canadian designed PHWRs formed the basis for the design of indian 120MW variants back in 70s .Later on they upgraded the design to 220MW and 550MW in mid 90s and mid 2000s respectively.Finally a highly advanced variant of 550MW PHWR was designed that could produce 700MW- this new reactor has been standardized and being offered to various state govt energy dept by NPCIL/BARC. However as opposed to itz predecessors(that consumed LEU),this 700MW variant consumes SEU(slightly enriched uranium)
In a written reply in LOK SABHA,former energy minister informed that cost of operating indian PHWRs is even lower than korean 1000MW reactors.(I can quote LOK SABHA proceedings,in case you wish to verify the data)
He also went on to say-
"We have designed 900MW light water reactors,with passive safety features- however no decision has been taken by the central govt to install them"
The biggest issue with all projects(whether in India or Pakistan) is the rather stupid public perception(by the ignorant) that projects like nuclear submarines, reactors..weapons.. or aircraft programs.. Can be churned out like bottles of coke on a factory.
Hi,
I cant agree anymore! you are again right! People with no experience think that making reactors or for that matter any engineering project is just a piece of cake(especially on a commercial scale)! However ,people must realize that these projects especially projects dealing with metallurgical research require decades to reach maturity!- a country with no research background will find it extremely diffcult to design systems and believe me oscar, no other country possesing such critical tech will give you the IPRs(regardless of how citizens perceive that country).I mean chinese will never part away with the "metallurgical process" by which they created their SCBs. And any pakistani thinking on these lines is simply himself,similar argument can be extrapolated for india and russia
They rarely do. However, as long as they can provide SCBs to order.. that is all that is needed.
@Oscar
This kind of approach might be good if you are interested in somehow assembling the engine and producing a requisite number of engines/year etc, but this kind of approach will fall flat if suppose some fine day you decided to develop your own SCBs!
True, but then again that desire for that "fine day" does not exist. At least not with the limited funds available.
Which is why I'll state what I did earlier to your queries on how does Pakistan achieve what it claims without any visible infra for it. It lies in the core ideaology of R&D here.
@Oscar
My comment wasnt entire directed at pakistan,it was a general statement that holds good for india too,however india happens to have a plethora of research going on in various streams.And i took the case of BHEL just to highlight my case(it should also be noted that BHEL file 450 patents a year- their patent footprint is in fact larger than DRDO!)
True, but then again that desire for that "fine day" does not exist. At least not with the limited funds available.
Which is why I'll state what I did earlier to your queries on how does Pakistan achieve what it claims without any visible infra for it. It lies in the core ideaology of R&D here.
Step 1: Check the free markets(both white and black) for the capability/item
Step 2: If the Item is available buy from the cheapest source
Step 3: Can the item be bought again without issues? If yes, proceed to END
If NO:
Step 4: Can the item be reverse engineered at home?
YES:
Step 5: Reverse engineer the item
NO:
Step 6: Can the item be given for reverse engineering to another supplier(who can supply freely)?
YES: Give item to supplier, wait for product. END
NO: What does the item do? Can some information on its function be found which another supplier can be asked to replicate?
YES: Step 7: Give order and coordinate with supplier for custom alternative to item
NO: Skip item/capability.. look for alternatives END
END
As long as it gets the job done, i am not sure why this method is not okay?
You cannot compare a nation of 180 million people with a nation of 1.2billion. For their size, they have a shameful R&D in any case. We better focus on more important issues.
One must understand that there should exist INDUSTRY!
Hi @Donatello!
I dont think i was comparing the two countries for i know both are entirely different ,what i was alluding to was however entirely different.I was merely bringing the issue of designing a nuke sub into perspective and writing my observations(again based on my engineering experience) against the comments of a few pakistanis who believe designing a nuke sub is a piece of cake! I was also flabbergasted by the sheer fallacy of the arguments used by a few pakistani members.What really boggles my mind,is how can someone(with obvious lack of knowledge) conclude as ludicrous as this- " running without learning to walk"- here i mean how can one design a nuclear submarine without designing reactor and ALLIED SYSTEMS
One must understand that there should exist INDUSTRY!
When you can afford it, and on a priority basis...