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You are quoting my post out of context Sir. Yes they are building new SSNs but who is doing it and for what political objective?
First & foremost is the cost of building/acquiring a nuclear submarine. Second being what are going to do with it?
Answer to the first is simple, Pakistan Navy in particular is cash starved and Pakistan can easily buy up to 3 or even more conventional subs at the cost of one nuclear submarine. Hence it does not make economic sense.
Second is the utilization of such an expensive asset. Global powers such as US, Russia & China need to exert power far beyond their shores. Submarine is a stealth weapon and its mission success demands that it remains undetected.
Chinese or Russian subs need to lurk near US shores to be effective, thus need to traverse very long distances without being detected and quickly.
Main shortcoming of an SSK compared to SSN is the size which in turns limits its weapon load and stores carrying capacity; thus shorter endurance. SSN can maintain higher speeds longer, quickly reaching the target and also get away from danger.
Longer endurance also requires more staff. Even a small SSK such as Augusta 90B with a complement of about 40 would require a lot of food if it were to remain at sea for a couple of months without resupply.
In Indian/ Pakistan scenario, distances are not that much. Hence in our case as long the submarine is very quiet and can remain under the surface for a couple of weeks or more, it would be sufficient to meet theatre requirements. For example at 10 knots submerged, an SSK based at Karachi can reach Visakhaptnam, HQ Eastern Command of IN, in about 10 -11 days. This means about 3 weeks under water endurance is enough. Thus a German 214 with max speed of 20 knots submerged; if modified to fire cruise missile would fulfill all of Pakistan Navy needs.
I have to admit that I have been reading about SSN versus modern SSK’s for quite a few years. Each arguably has advantages over the other depending upon the naval objectives. This discussion here is in the context of need for Pakistan for an SSN. I stand by my contention that there is none.
The sea is a very big place to worry about "predictability". Till now, we have a covert doctrine and coastal defense role. As we move into "second strike" capability, Subs with longer submerged ranges become relevant.Hi,
To learn about sub warfare---people need to read up on some good works of fiction----.
The thing is that the diesel subs have predictability of where they will be. It is a known that when they launch----then with their average speed it is very well know the radius of area that it can reach---it can also be calculated that in the area that it will pop up----it is also known that the where about of it to come up to breath---then it needs to refuel as well after sometime.
The best thing these subs do is to lie in wait if someone is coming your way----pop up---let go and disappear.
The sea is a very big place to worry about "predictability". Till now, we have a covert doctrine and coastal defense role. As we move into "second strike" capability, Subs with longer submerged ranges become relevant.
Sir,Hi,
To learn about sub warfare---people need to read up on some good works of fiction----.
Sir,
Could you recommend something ? To read or watch ?
Yes I have watched the movie --The Hunt for Red October -- but will go for the book for sure as it's a whole new experience n a lot to learn. Will also read Joe Buff.Hi,
If you have not read it---then start with the book--- The Hunt for Red October ----by Tom Clancy.
If you can get your hands on Joe Buff's works of fiction---that is entertaining. He has aronund 4 or 5 books on latest sub warfare---.
There are so many others---I have not kept a track of them.
In one of these works of fiction---not too long ago----I read that the newest U S submarine literally has the technology to practically see outside of the submarine when it is under water on a flat panel TV screen.
Let me put it to you this way-----whatever I had read in these works of fiction 20-30 years ago---is coming true in this day and age.
Yes I have watched the movie --The Hunt for Red October -- but will go for the book for sure as it's a whole new experience n a lot to learn. Will also read Joe Buff.
I am seeing it this way that the gadgets mentioned by Ian Fleming in Bond series decades ago are now a reality. Same analogy would go for subs I guess as you mentioned.
Thnx. Much appreciated.
Sure sir , I got your pointHi,
When you read hunt for red October----just clear your mind of any technical clutter---just imagine yourself living in a world where there was no concept of cell phones---lap tops desk tops etc etc etc----
Hi,
To learn about sub warfare---people need to read up on some good works of fiction----.
The thing is that the diesel subs have predictability of where they will be. It is a known that when they launch----then with their average speed it is very well know the radius of area that it can reach---it can also be calculated that in the area that it will pop up----it is also known that the where about of it to come up to breath---then it needs to refuel as well after sometime.
The best thing these subs do is to lie in wait if someone is coming your way----pop up---let go and disappear.
What I know is Pakistan is in advance talks with China for two nuclear Submarines and even bigger news is that these two sub's will have Pakistani nuclear system in itHi,
If you have not read it---then start with the book--- The Hunt for Red October ----by Tom Clancy.
If you can get your hands on Joe Buff's works of fiction---that is entertaining. He has aronund 4 or 5 books on latest sub warfare---.
There are so many others---I have not kept a track of them.
In one of these works of fiction---not too long ago----I read that the newest U S submarine literally has the technology to practically see outside of the submarine when it is under water on a flat panel TV screen.
Let me put it to you this way-----whatever I had read in these works of fiction 20-30 years ago---is coming true in this day and age.
What I know is Pakistan is in advance talks with China for two nuclear Submarines and even bigger news is that these two sub's will have Pakistani nuclear system in it