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Pakistan is developing a new generation of nuclear-tipped tactical missiles that has alarmed India and the world.



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Raj Chengappa
June 9, 2016 | UPDATED 17:22 IST

Narendra Modi and President Barack Obama were evident at the Oval Office on June 7-their seventh meeting in two years. But the ghost of Pakistan hovered in the room like a Betaal, as an Indian official put it, likening our north-western neighbour to the irksome character in the ancient fable. India had recently lobbied successfully to get the US Congress to put a temporary hold on the sale of eight nuclear-capable F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan by refusing to subsidise their cost.

The more alarming concern for India, the US and the rest of the world, however, is Pakistan's development of a new generation of nuclear-tipped missiles that threaten to lower the nuclear threshold and make the sub-continent, as a US official put it, "the most dangerous place in the world to live in". Pakistan has reportedly inducted these 'tactical' nuclear weapons as part of its artillery arsenal to pulverise any advancing Indian army division in the event of a war.

Prior to this, both India and Pakistan had developed a panoply of 'strategic' nuclear weapons designed to strike terror among civilian populations in metros, or to knock out major military targets some distance away from the border. India's Agni V, for instance, can strike targets over 5,000 km away and can be launched from as far south as Chennai to strike Islamabad or Beijing. Pakistan, too, has developed the Ghauri and Shaheen to strike anywhere in India, and has lately extended their range to the Andaman & Nicobar Islands, where India has an important tri-service base. But never before were nuclear weapons meant to be used as a tactical manoeuvre on the battlefield to thwart an advancing army corps.


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The Nasr, as the midget red-and white nuclear-tipped missile has been christened, is a slim pencil-shaped rocket with fins, which can traverse a distance of 60 km, or little more than the range of an artillery gun. In its current configuration, shown during Pakistan's Military Day parade last year, the Nasr was housed in a multibarrel launch vehicle that could fire four of them simultaneously. Unlike conventional munitions, whose lethality comes from their explosive force and shrapnel, a nuclear-tipped missile doesn't only kill or immobilise enemy troops with the force of the blast. The extreme heat it produces, followed by the radiation it emits, can lead to debilitating sickness or kill a large number of troops within minutes of a strike.



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Though they had been in the works for the past five years, the first official confirmation that Pakistan had deployed tactical nuclear weapons to thwart an Indian aggression was made by the country's foreign secretary, by Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, at a press briefing before Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's bilateral meeting with Obama last October. The timing of Chaudhry's announcement was significant and clearly meant to warn both the US and India. For months, there was speculation that Pakistan had requested the US to give it a civil nuclear deal similar to the one India signed in 2005. In return, the US was forcing Pakistan to roll back its nuclear weapons programme, including stopping the development of tactical nuclear weapons and agreeing to sign the Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty (FMCT) and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) that would further limit its nuclear capability.


When The Washington Post's David Ignatius leaked the details in what he termed 'a diplomatic blockbuster' just weeks before Sharif's visit to the US, Islamabad went into overdrive to deny the report. The Pakistan army, which controls the country's nuclear arsenal, was reportedly furious with the civilian establishment for trying to dilute its nuclear deterrence against India. Sharif was forced to say, en route to the US: "We will protect the national interests of Pakistan during my meetings with the US leadership." He added, for good measure, that "we should not forget who the prime minister was in 1998 when we became a nuclear power", reminding his country that the tests had happened during his watch.

It was also a significant message to India. At that point, relations between the neighbours had touched a new nadir. A planned meeting of the national security advisors (NSAs) of both countries in Delhi had ended in a fiasco and had to be called off. There was growing suspicion and fear in Pakistan that Modi's 'blow hot, blow cold' policy was a cover for the new 'offensive defence' doctrine advocated by Ajit Doval, his hawkish NSA. Doval had always maintained that the only answer to Pakistan's repeated terror strikes was for India to develop the capability to strike at Pakistan's vital interests without escalating it to an all-out war. By flaunting Nasr, as an expert put it, Pakistan was "showing India its nuclear middle finger and telling Doval to dare".

Experts now see the Pakistan army's belligerence, and its continued backing of terrorist groups targeting India, as an emboldening because of the development and deployment of tactical nuclear weapons. There is no let-up on terror strikes against India, as demonstrated by the Pathankot attack in December and the recent strikes in Jammu & Kashmir. The Pakistan army appears smug in the belief that India will now think thrice before contemplating an 'offensive defence' attack. The threat that Pakistan is sending is that it will quickly escalate any retaliation to a nuclear dimension, spooking the world and getting major powers to hold India back. It is also being seen as the reason why, while Sharif makes conciliatory gestures towards Modi, the army appears against normalising relations.



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Chinese President Xi Jingping with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Photo: Getty images
Pakistan justifies the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons as a response to India's Cold Start doctrine. Though India officially denies the existence of such a doctrine, it was first enunciated by the Indian army after the Kargil War in 1999 and the terror attack on Parliament in 2001. Policy experts had complained that it took months for the Indian army to ready its strike corps for a counter-attack on Pakistan. Since then, India is supposed to have developed a proactive strategy to mobilise major formations at short notice to launch a surprise strike.


To counter such a strike, Lt Gen (retd) Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, advisor to Pakistan's National Command Authority (NCA), which controls its nuclear weapons, asserted that Pakistan had to develop tactical nuclear weapons that could thwart a surprise thrust by Indian troops on its border. In March this year, Kidwai told a gathering at the Institute of Strategic Studies in Islamabad: "We are not apologetic about the development of tactical weapons. They are here to stay. Pakistan will not cap or curb its nuclear weapons programme or accept any restrictions."

It was Kidwai who, as director-general of the Strategic Plans Division (SPD), the operational wing of Pakistan's NCA, in 2002, had listed four conditions that would elicit a Pakistani nuclear riposte. These were: if India conquers a large swathe of Pakistani territory; if it destroys a large part of its armed forces; if it strangulates the Pakistani economy; or if it causes political destabilisation. Pakistan also retained the option of striking first and its nuclear threshold is deliberately ambiguous so as to generate uncertainty in the minds of Indian leaders. In contrast, India has a No First Use (NFU) nuclear doctrine but reserves the right to massively retaliate if Indian forces, populace or territory suffer a nuclear, biological or chemical strike.

Feroz Hassan Khan, author of Eating Grass: The Making of the Pakistan Bomb, believes that Pakistan's new deterrence strategy is based on risk manipulation. "Tactical weapons create a high level of uncertainty that India could not proceed with a conventional war for fear of the unknown," he says. India's counter is to call Pakistan's 'nuclear bluff', and punish it for waging proxy war. If Pakistan resorts to using tactical nuclear weapons, a top official in India's NCA, told India Today, "We will retaliate so massively that Pakistan, as we know it, will cease to exist."

The worry for US nuclear experts such as Michael Krepon, co-founder of the Stimson Center, is that "neither side believes that the other's stated nuclear use doctrine is credible and that, by itself, creates a dangerous uncertainty." Worse, Pakistan is now the fastestgrowing nuclear weapons power in the world and has overtaken India's arsenal in size. Krepon points out that Pakistan is playing the "catch-up game" and, in the last decade, has constructed four reactors that can produce 25 to 50 kilogram of weapons-grade plutonium-four times the amount India is producing. When added to its stockpile of Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU), which can also be used to make bombs, Pakistan can produce as many as 14 to 27 nuclear weapons every year, as compared with the two to five nukes that India can build. Pakistan is now said to have 120 nuclear bombs as compared with India's 110.

In spite of this, India remains committed to its doctrine of 'credible minimum deterrence'. A former top NCA official says, "Tactical nukes are as dated as the Cold War between Soviet Union and the US. There is a meaningless distinction between 'tactical' and 'strategic' because the distances in the subcontinent are short as compared with Moscow and Washington DC. If Pakistan hits us with a tactical nuke, we are going to hit it hard with everything we have."



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Prime Minister Narendra Modi with president Barack Obama at the Oval office on June 7. Photo: Getty images
Despite Pakistan's suspicions, India denies it has tactical nuclear weapons in its arsenal. The official reveals that, after Nasr's development, the issue was reviewed three times by the NCA in meetings chaired by the prime minister, and each time the armed forces said there was no need to develop a counter or alter India's No First Use doctrine. As he points out, "We have never treated India's nuclear capability as part of our offensive arsenal. We developed it only for defence and to deter anyone planning a nuclear strike against us." Instead, the Indian army has now prepared itself to absorb a tactical nuclear strike by equipping its troops with suits that can withstand such attacks and evolving other strategies.


While India has not altered its nuclear course, it has used every occasion to highlight the dangers of Pakistan's tactical nuclear weapons, particularly to the US. Ashley Tellis, who has written several defining books on India's nuclear programme, believes that Pakistan is wrong in its belief that it has 'checkmated' India by developing tactical weapons. He points out that even the US has all but abandoned tactical nukes because they are not effective war-fighting instruments. Tellis points out that it would take "300 to 400 Hiroshima-sized weapons, not tactical weapons, to stop an armoured corps". He says that Pakistan just doesn't have the numbers to sustain such a nuclear battle.

Other experts point to the inherent dangers of maintaining an arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons because the chances of misuse and accidental use rise manifold. Jeffrey D. McCausland of the Stimson Center, pointed out in an in-depth study last year that Pakistan's military planners would find battlefield nuclear weapons a logistical nightmare, calling such an induction "dangerous and problematic". For one, it would require a pre-delegation of authority to field military commanders, which increases the risk of miscalculations and weapons falling into the wrong hands. Also, because of the proximity of the borders to large towns such as Lahore, there is a danger of radioactive clouds being blown back to Pakistan and affecting its own people.

So what do India and the world do with Pakistan's renegade nuclear plans? There is a limit to the pressure India can put on the US and other major powers as New Delhi is first seeking clarity on its own global nuclear status. With its imminent acceptance as a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) coupled with its bid to be a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), India hopes to sit on the high table of nuclear decisionmaking. It could then use the forums to put pressure on Pakistan to restrain its nuclear ambitions. George Perkovich, another US expert who has written a seminal book on India's nuclear programme, believes that "for India to put boots on the ground and battle Pakistan would be a mistake. It needs to develop zero-cost methods to put pressure on Pakistan and further isolate it."



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Noted Pakistan expert Stephen Cohen of the Brookings Institution has advocated a US civil nuclear agreement for Pakistan in a bid to 'mainstream' its role. He views it as a prerequisite for Pakistan to achieve strategic stability and normalise relations with India. Krepon believes the US should make such an offer only if Pakistan undertakes nuclear-related initiatives such as committing to a recessed deterrence posture and cutting down on tactical nuclear missiles, apart from joining the FMCT negotiations and signing the CTBT. And, like India, it should agree to separate its civilian and nuclear facilities.


India is appalled by such an offer to mainstream Pakistan and believes that Islamabad has to demonstrate far greater nuclear restraint and responsibility before any concessions are made. India constantly reminds other nations of how physicist A.Q. Khan sold Pakistan's nuclear secrets to a number of countries including North Korea and Iran and that its non-proliferation record remains suspect.

Pakistani experts such as Feroz Hassan Khan, who once served in the nuclear establishment, advocate a more moderate and nuanced nuclear posture by Pakistan. As he points out in a recent paper, "Ultimately nuclear weapons only make strong states stronger; they do not make weak states impregnably secure. They can be diversions of the precious resources that weak states possess. Nuclear weapons are an ineradicable part of Pakistan and it does need a credible nuclear deterrent. Yet, for Pakistan to achieve real security, it must focus on some long-term societal, economic and social problems that nuclear weapons cannot address." Sensible words. If only the leaders and generals in Pakistan would listen.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nuclear-missiles-pakistan-india/1/687727.html
 
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So basically your four point are:
1 Research
2. Resource
3. Research "Thorium" based power generation.
4. Economy.
All are irrelevant to the immediate topic in discussion. Article is about rapid expansion and tactical nukes. which obviously mean Pakistan has the research, resource and economy for it. Thorium is expensive than Uranium, Indian has some reserve for it, they want to pursue thorium route for power generation, that's their domestic decision. Long story short Pakistan is expanding with such confidence that they are not worry about resource and economy, and will have enough Nukes to cover whole India many times over.



Yap, but you are throwing open ended responses acting all genius, matter of fact is if you really knew what you are

talking about you could have highlighted your point in few lines.
thats what happen when try to get on running bus, either bus is wrong or you fall down.

I think you missed the other half of topic heading "Why India has to worry".
My discussion with the poster was on Indias stand, and those 4 pointers are from Indias point of view in regard to nuclear capabilities.

Change the course to flow with stream :D
 
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Can you provide a link to this Pakistani assumption other than your stinking indian arse where you pulled it from?


Nasr is just a small nuclear weapon with limited range, and Pakistan thinks it is invincible because of their laughable assumption that India won't retaliate with its big nuclear weapons against a nuclear attack by Pakistan with Nasr, as Nasr is a small nuclear weapon.

This happens when a country's irresponsible military planners collectively lose their minds.
 
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What is a tactical system in your dictionary?
by that definition of yours how you compare it with Nasr system.
Tactical system is system which used targeting statergic and conventional target


Do you even how invasion are conducted into the enemy target

Nasr is system which is obsolete due to its range and payload

Prahaar system and other mobile system brahmos in indian thrashold are much more capable and have large payload for destruction

Nasr is range is just 60 km that makes its vulnerable to various PGMs and MBRL and systems like prahaar and others

Indian battlefield surveillance and recon will be always ahead from pakistan with our vast satellite coverage

Guy is dum he don't know about battlefield awareness and pre war analysis

No wonder Pakistan always poor in this regard of pre battle analysis

1971 or kargil are great examples of it of what expected even in modern days they never change
 
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Polygon represents the region inside Pakistan where Nasr could be used.

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India will not attack Pakistan, there is nothing to worry for either sides.
 
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hamnay shabraat pe chalanay kiliye nahe rakhay howay.. try it .. and jawab use tarhan milayga!
kisne roka hai ek baar challa ker dekh kyon nahi lete :azn: :butcher:

It is used to stop the advance of the Indian troops in the battlefield
so you mean to say you have made NASR and so called miniature tactical neucs to use against advancing indian armoured columns inside pakistani terriorory :azn:

so in layman terms its like a rouge guy trying to blackmail other guy not to respond agressivelly to his trouble making buy pointing a gun towards its own head :haha:
 
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Tactical system is system which used targeting statergic and conventional target
You seem to be a senior member but Nasr has had an effect on your nerves also just like the rest of India, lol.


Do you even how invasion are conducted into the enemy target
I know a little bit which tells me that Arty and MBRL move far behind the main assault force of infantry and Armour. so IA Armour will come in 60km kill zone of NASR earlier than the other arms.

Nasr is system which is obsolete due to its range and payload
My utterly confused friend, your army is welcome to come and experience NASR when 50% or more of them will be burnt to death.

If by now you cannot comprehend the payload and range of NASR, im thinking why im even bothering to reply you. But hey lets have some fun over your confused state of mind :)

NASR lesson 101:

1. RANGE: less flight time means less reaction time. It will probably show up at 9,10 different places, shoot and scoot.
2. Payload: Not required to destroy a vast area. why? go figure ;)

Prahaar system and other mobile system brahmos in indian thrashold are much more capable and have large payload for destruction
Resorting to BM, CM etc to counter NASR ,lol.

See you lost your nerve here due to NASR, now you see why Pakistan made NASR and India has lost its balance.
Im sure Indian commanders are not as dumb as you by firing a ballistic missile into Pakistan and then get retaliatory fire of Pak BM, CM etc.
Eventually starting a missile war and India will be losing more than what it bargained for.

Nasr is range is just 60 km that makes its vulnerable to various PGMs and MBRL and systems like prahaar and others
NASR will always have an element of surprise of showing up in any numbers in anywhere on battlefield. It will shoot and scoot giving very less reaction time for reflationary fire. .

However, NASR forced you to start a ballistic and cruise missile war, right? still 150km is more flight time and gives NASR a better chance to scoot.

By the way, India will be forced to bring double and triple than assigned assets of MBRL into Pakistan just to counter NASR?
a regiment or two to assist armoured thrust and another regiment or two to counter NASR.

Interesting, NASR has more than done its job yet again. The forces that could be used elsewhere on battlefield will all be thrusted into one sector. Especially more forces need to be deployed to provide security to MBRL regiments.

Mate, NASR has screwed you guys up very badly , hahahaha :)

Pakistan Artillery, PAF. NASR will have a field day in this sector.


Indian battlefield surveillance and recon will be always ahead from pakistan with our vast satellite coverage
Pakistan used chinese resources many times (1999, 2002 etc) and will get those satellite resources again.
Pakistan also has AWACS which will detect buildup of IA on borders before IA even starts its offensive.
So, in any case, Pakistan battlefield surveillance and recon will never be less from india at any given time.

Detection of NASR is quite impossible because it will most probably be shipped un-assembled to its firing zone in civlian trucks/vans (thanks to our LOG AREA COMD) under fog (if present) and then assembled and ready to fire at a concealed position which would never look like a weapon holding facility.

and yes, no matter what you do, NASR can only be detected on launch, not before that. Ofcourse Pakistan knows about Indian detection systems.

But hey , send your army over to get burnt. we will know for sure then :) hahahahahaha.
 
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You seem to be a senior member but Nasr has had an effect on your nerves also just like the rest of India, lol.



I know a little bit which tells me that Arty and MBRL move far behind the main assault force of infantry and Armour. so IA Armour will come in 60km kill zone of NASR earlier than the other arms.


My utterly confused friend, your army is welcome to come and experience NASR when 50% or more of them will be burnt to death.

If by now you cannot comprehend the payload and range of NASR, im thinking why im even bothering to reply you. But hey lets have some fun over your confused state of mind :)

NASR lesson 101:

1. RANGE: less flight time means less reaction time. It will probably show up at 9,10 different places, shoot and scoot.
2. Payload: Not required to destroy a vast area. why? go figure ;)


Resorting to BM, CM etc to counter NASR ,lol.

See you lost your nerve here due to NASR, now you see why Pakistan made NASR and India has lost its balance.
Im sure Indian commanders are not as dumb as you by firing a ballistic missile into Pakistan and then get retaliatory fire of Pak BM, CM etc.
Eventually starting a missile war and India will be losing more than what it bargained for.


NASR will always have an element of surprise of showing up in any numbers in anywhere on battlefield. It will shoot and scoot giving very less reaction time for reflationary fire. .

However, NASR forced you to start a ballistic and cruise missile war, right? still 150km is more flight time and gives NASR a better chance to scoot.

By the way, India will be forced to bring double and triple than assigned assets of MBRL into Pakistan just to counter NASR?
a regiment or two to assist armoured thrust and another regiment or two to counter NASR.

Interesting, NASR has more than done its job yet again. The forces that could be used elsewhere on battlefield will all be thrusted into one sector. Especially more forces need to be deployed to provide security to MBRL regiments.

Mate, NASR has screwed you guys up very badly , hahahaha :)

Pakistan Artillery, PAF. NASR will have a field day in this sector.



Pakistan used chinese resources many times (1999, 2002 etc) and will get those satellite resources again.
Pakistan also has AWACS which will detect buildup of IA on borders before IA even starts its offensive.
So, in any case, Pakistan battlefield surveillance and recon will never be less from india at any given time.

Detection of NASR is quite impossible because it will most probably be shipped un-assembled to its firing zone in civlian trucks/vans (thanks to our LOG AREA COMD) under fog (if present) and then assembled and ready to fire at a concealed position which would never look like a weapon holding facility.

and yes, no matter what you do, NASR can only be detected on launch, not before that. Ofcourse Pakistan knows about Indian detection systems.

But hey , send your army over to get burnt. we will know for sure then :) hahahahahaha.

Do you think our satellites up there are just to watch glam shams of pakistan?
 
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kisne roka hai ek baar challa ker dekh kyon nahi lete :azn:

jahan tak mujhe yaad parta hey ham apnay neighbour say hamesha yehi suntay hain kay bhi pakistan hamesha pehal karta hey.. hamanay soocha asa kartay hain isdafa ham intezaar kartay hain is dafa neighbour ke bari .. kabhe surgical strikes arahe hoti hain kabhe kuch kabhe mymmar wala operation pakistan may karnay ke dhamkyaan... abhe tak bas intezaar he horaha hey...
 
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jahan tak mujhe yaad parta hey ham apnay neighbour say hamesha yehi suntay hain kay bhi pakistan hamesha pehal karta hey.. hamanay soocha asa kartay hain isdafa ham intezaar kartay hain is dafa neighbour ke bari .. kabhe surgical strikes arahe hoti hain kabhe kuch kabhe mymmar wala operation pakistan may karnay ke dhamkyaan... abhe tak bas intezaar he horaha hey...
well nanhe miya masoom aap shayad pakistani fauj ke raviyye se waakiff nahee ho per khair sannu ki :sarcastic:

thing is even this time pakistan will be agressor but trust me wont attack in case of onther mumbai like episode but the other way and thats whats giving your startegik planners sleep less night do you have any idea about them :azn:
 
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Pakistan is not thinking that much about this missile as much as India is getting headaches about it.

That's because Pakistan has lowered the threshold of a nuclear war, now a commander in the hit of the battlefield can start a nuclear war, previously that decision was with the highest ranking leadership of your country sitting in some secured command & control centre outside the madness of the battlefield, and thinking it through before going nuclear. Now even a limited war can go nuclear if just one officer fails to handle the hit of the battlefield, now even just one nutcase officer with a radical mindset can decide to declare jihad on kafirs by starting a nuclear war.
 
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