Pakistan's Lost Opportunity: A Blunder

[Darth Vader]

Every significant officers of ISI (present as well as retired) must be clenching their fists in suppressed anger. The only way for Pakistan to stand up to India was by use of nuclear weapon. Now the opportunity to exercise nuclear option is gone because of below stated reason. India is way too big to be disturbed by tiny Pakistan. A single state of Uttar Pradesh has a population bigger than the entire population of Pakistan. Non-usage of nuclear weapon meant it was only a matter of time before Pakistan was gobbled by giant India. Nuclear tipped missiles were the only thing that came in between Indian hordes and Pakistan.

Now China has made investments in Pakistan. If Chinese interests in Pakistan are threatened due to conflict with India it will not bother to take the inconvenience of war with India. Instead it will simply dissuade Pakistan from exacerbating tension with India. Chinese would say to Pakistanis, "Exercise restraint and stave off the war or else we will withdraw the investments."

Pakistan didn't miss the opportunity. It threw it away.

1 you didnt state the reason ? Why Pak wouldn't use Nukes against india
2 they will remove the investment
A that investment is mostly in projects which are loans and Pak will be paying back
B if india threatnes Pakistan it will be threatening chinese investment in Pakistan and Chinese nationals working in Pakistan so it would be india not pakistan
3 as Pakistan is not part of No First Use they can pretty much do whatever they like as same as india because in the heat of war no nations care about treaties
So @mods please close this thread just waste of time and waste of bandwith

 

[Jf Thunder]

Yeah, but it's efforts couldn't influence the result. In 1965, Pakistan didn't get an inch of Kashmir and in 1971, Pakistan lost it's eastern wing.

In no place did I mention either of those cases, nor was the outcome of the wars discussed, you simply stated that the PAF did not stand up to India, while I showed you the reality that the IAF had the sh*t beaten out of them by the PAF.

 

[Fledgingwings]

 

[Jugger]

We have tactical weapons like NASAR, which is capable of limited destruction.
Especially made to take out complete bases of Indian army.
Your army knows it, this is why they always stay behind the human cover of Kashmiris.
We are waiting for the day, your army is out in open and that day all conflicts should end.

So you are also a caliphate person hell bent on ruling India and the world?

 

[Bharat Muslim]

soviet direct involvement along with enemy locals were the reason we lost.

besides all those factors w would have won the war if soviets were not using g their advance weapons to shoot our Navy ships.

Tell as much as you can about this direct Soviet help. Post links about it. Indian media never talked about it. What it said was that Soviets merely made an appearance to deter Americans.

 

[singlefighter]

What can determined Pakistani civilians do if they are bombed from the heights of air force plane? PAF cannot face IAF because it is heavily outnumbered.

Ja bhai ja k soo ja itna much soch k tera dimagh kaam karna choor day...ja k so ja

 

[singlefighter]

In no place did I mention either of those cases, nor was the outcome of the wars discussed, you simply stated that the PAF did not stand up to India, while I showed you the reality that the IAF had the sh*t beaten out of them by the PAF.

Ye bharat muslim nahi samjhay ga "chitrool" k bina

 

[Bharat Muslim]

wallah Bruder you joking? Look what this Gora man John Fricker s saying
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Another question:

Both in 1965 and 1999 Kargil, Pakistan won some territories. Why then did it return to enemy? It was probably because Pakistan's rulers are corrupt and accept bribe from enemies. Is there such a dearth of honest and patriotic citizens in Pak?

 

[singlefighter]

Tell as much as you can about this direct Soviet help. Post links about it. Indian media never talked about it. What it said was that Soviets merely made an appearance to deter Americans.

There was Soviet blockade of Karachi and Chittagong ports to stop the supply.go and check the facts on internet and old newspapers.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

You have posted such threads before.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/reas...winning-these-particular-types-of-war.446398/

 

[Bharat Muslim]

@El Sidd

 

[El Sidd]

@El Sidd

Lol

Leave me out, impatient one.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Every significant officers of ISI (present as well as retired) must be clenching their fists in suppressed anger. The only way for Pakistan to stand up to India was by use of nuclear weapon. Now the opportunity to exercise nuclear option is gone because of below stated reason. India is way too big to be disturbed by tiny Pakistan. A single state of Uttar Pradesh has a population bigger than the entire population of Pakistan. Non-usage of nuclear weapon meant it was only a matter of time before Pakistan was gobbled by giant India. Nuclear tipped missiles were the only thing that came in between Indian hordes and Pakistan.

Now China has made investments in Pakistan. If Chinese interests in Pakistan are threatened due to conflict with India it will not bother to take the inconvenience of war with India. Instead it will simply dissuade Pakistan from exacerbating tension with India. Chinese would say to Pakistanis, "Exercise restraint and stave off the war or else we will withdraw the investments."

Pakistan didn't miss the opportunity. It threw it away.

@Kaptaan @django @RealNapster

 

[Super Falcon]

Useless threat nuclear weapons guarantees u never lose

 

[Hamza913]

I really don't think Pakistan won't press the button just because China asks the army and government not to.

Which means Pakistan needs lesser numbers to defend while India needs greater numbers to defend.

Also, China does not need to join the war overtly. All they have to do is move some forces to the Indo-Chinese border, send some ships and subs into IOR region and India would be spread thin defending from all sides which means there would be hardly any forces left to go on the offensive against Pakistan.

India needs at least 7 (ideally 10):1 advantage against Pakistan to go on the offensive which is highly unlikely with the defense budgets that India allocates.

I would be happy if India could defend itself in the next war. I foresee a repeat of 1962. No actual build up of strength taking place but people giving out jingoistic statements.

War won't happen between Hindustan and Pakistan or China, it's too dangerous for all parties involved and would result in MAD.

We are just going to keep firing at each other on the LOC and sending proxies to kill each other. That's all.

I totally agree with the point that China will not support the aggressor country. And i am pretty sure India has no interests with any territory in Pakistan we are okay with status quo.

Not true at all.

You guys would love to get rid of any militants across the border and take Kashmir, you just don't because you can't.

What can determined Pakistani civilians do if they are bombed from the heights of air force plane? PAF cannot face IAF because it is heavily outnumbered.

Wrong, we are only outnumbered roughly 2:1, and the IAF isn't going to send all (or even most) of it's planes on the offensive. So your numbers advantage falls flat on it's face. The PAF also boasts significantly better training.

The Hindustani military doesn't have enough of a conventional edge to cripple Pakistan. Even if it did, doing so would bring nukes into the equation. So, we are completely fine.

Pray tell me, if PAF is able to stand up to India, why it didn't do it in 1965 and 1971?

That's a joke right?

Yeah, but it's efforts couldn't influence the result. In 1965, Pakistan didn't get an inch of Kashmir and in 1971, Pakistan lost it's eastern wing.

In 1965, the Hindustani military outnumbered Pakistan more than it does now, and wasn't able to capture Lahore (a city practically right on the border) like it intended to. Your PM also died of a heart attack due to the sheer shock of the result, doesn't that tell you something?

In 1971, in order to get the Eastern wing to surrender, Hindustan had several months of preparation and outnumbered the Pakistani military 13:1 according to your own sources.

So you are also a caliphate person hell bent on ruling India and the world?

We all are.

Another question:

Both in 1965 and 1999 Kargil, Pakistan won some territories. Why then did it return to enemy? It was probably because Pakistan's rulers are corrupt and accept bribe from enemies. Is there such a dearth of honest and patriotic citizens in Pak?

In every war, Hindustan won some territories. Why then did it return to enemy? It was probably because Hindustan's rulers are corrupt and accept bribe from enemies. Is there such a dearth of honest and patriotic citizens in Hindustan?