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Pakistan's helicopter fleet has been ageing and while infusion of new helicopters in the form of UH-60s (potentially), Mi-17s and others, there is a perceived shortage of airframes. This is due to the present war in the tribal areas, where helicopters are at a premium and their shortage is being felt while simultaneously rapidly ageing and depreciating the fleet. It is also due to the extreme topography of Pakistan's north, where an undeclared border conflict continues to consume resources against India.

Helicopters are also an important consideration in terms of the topographic scenario not only in the north but also to the east, where any future conflict with India requires conflicts across rivers and other natural barriers. In contrast to India's huge fleet of growing helicopters including now locally manufactured units, Pakistan has a long-term perceived need of maintaining a semblance of comparability.

One of the key features of the Pakistani helicopter fleet is the diversity of the helicopters available. These include AH-1s, IAR 330, Aerospatiale Alouettes, AS350, UH-1, Bell 412, 206 Jet Ranger, Mi-17s, Z-9s and more. This wide diversity of helicopters with often a small number of units of each type adds a great deal of maintenance and operational issues that adds both expense and consumes significant resources.

The attack helicopter presently in use is also ageing and rapidly losing its operational capability at a time it is needed the most. The AH-1s have been highly successful in FATA and Swat and their dwindling numbers is a serious cause of concern. Pakistan Army (PA) is presently looking at potential replacements including potentially the Z-10 and the Turkish T-129 but funds remain scarce and these deals seem far off. The point remains that even if such a deal goes through, PA will not be able to buy the quantities that the present operational conditions and the long term requirement vis-a-vis the topography in the North and the challenge from the East pose.

Perhaps the answer to this quandary is to replicate the JF-17 and Al-Khalid programs and build an equivalent helicopter plan. One possible solution is to look at importing blue-prints and know-how coupled with joint development. Such a solution could find a partner in China or Turkey. Yet another solution exists.


Given the geo-strategic situation, the US cannot be seen to contribute much post-2014 when their troops leave Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the new Iranian government is showing positive overtures to Pakistan. Iran produces UH-1 / AH-1 helicopters and has the blue prints and production line. While Iranian helicopters are of doubtful quality, if manufacturing of these can be obtained under the table, Pakistan could have an ideal platform to begin helicopter production at minimal cost. Utilizing better technology and higher quality machine tools, Pakistan would produced significantly higher quality aircraft. If technology partnerships can be made with South Africa, China and Turkey in terms of sub-systems and components, the AH-1s and UH-1s could be updated to a competitive offering.

In addition, given the huge market of AH-1s and UH-1s globally, this is one product that can be sold as replenishment, spares or even new procurement. It is after all, much easier to add an existing type rather than procure a new type which are often significantly more complex and costly. The present US AH-1 Super Cobras offered have also evolved significantly and are not equivalent to the original AH-1s so the path is clear to make a meaningful inroad into the international market.

It is often said that with every challenge comes an opportunity. The present challenge in FATA, the decades long war in Siachin, and the new threat posed by India with its wild procurement of advanced helicopters and local production may just be the challenge that can become an opportunity.

Read more: Grande Strategy
 
Cobras cant be of Any help in siachin because of the altitude.As to collaboration with Iran with a US product you will have the Americans upyouor regions where the sun dont shine so this would be out. The Chinese,Turkish , and South African options are all there and if the price isrighteach and everyone will play ball. However you have to understand that you cant just setup industry based on a demand for 80 units and no proor experience of any helo manufacturing. The only possible bet is to have a unit that is both a utility and attack version to cater a need for 200 units to make it worth your while. This is where the problem of helo manufacturing locally hits a snag. the MI17 has proven to be a ruggid unit and the chinese have an attack version of it. This might be a better bet for establishing an industry. You also need to understand that in the Indo Pak theatre qhere we cannot establish air superiority it would be a suicide to send out attack helos without air cover. Now that means that we need to look at other options like ACs in the war theatre with limited A2A capability. This could mean a evolved K8 or other solutions which do not break the bank yet produce a desired result
 
Pakistan's helicopter fleet has been ageing and while infusion of new helicopters in the form of UH-60s (potentially), Mi-17s and others, there is a perceived shortage of airframes. This is due to the present war in the tribal areas, where helicopters are at a premium and their shortage is being felt while simultaneously rapidly ageing and depreciating the fleet. It is also due to the extreme topography of Pakistan's north, where an undeclared border conflict continues to consume resources against India.

Helicopters are also an important consideration in terms of the topographic scenario not only in the north but also to the east, where any future conflict with India requires conflicts across rivers and other natural barriers. In contrast to India's huge fleet of growing helicopters including now locally manufactured units, Pakistan has a long-term perceived need of maintaining a semblance of comparability.

One of the key features of the Pakistani helicopter fleet is the diversity of the helicopters available. These include AH-1s, IAR 330, Aerospatiale Alouettes, AS350, UH-1, Bell 412, 206 Jet Ranger, Mi-17s, Z-9s and more. This wide diversity of helicopters with often a small number of units of each type adds a great deal of maintenance and operational issues that adds both expense and consumes significant resources.

The attack helicopter presently in use is also ageing and rapidly losing its operational capability at a time it is needed the most. The AH-1s have been highly successful in FATA and Swat and their dwindling numbers is a serious cause of concern. Pakistan Army (PA) is presently looking at potential replacements including potentially the Z-10 and the Turkish T-129 but funds remain scarce and these deals seem far off. The point remains that even if such a deal goes through, PA will not be able to buy the quantities that the present operational conditions and the long term requirement vis-a-vis the topography in the North and the challenge from the East pose.

Perhaps the answer to this quandary is to replicate the JF-17 and Al-Khalid programs and build an equivalent helicopter plan. One possible solution is to look at importing blue-prints and know-how coupled with joint development. Such a solution could find a partner in China or Turkey. Yet another solution exists.


Given the geo-strategic situation, the US cannot be seen to contribute much post-2014 when their troops leave Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the new Iranian government is showing positive overtures to Pakistan. Iran produces UH-1 / AH-1 helicopters and has the blue prints and production line. While Iranian helicopters are of doubtful quality, if manufacturing of these can be obtained under the table, Pakistan could have an ideal platform to begin helicopter production at minimal cost. Utilizing better technology and higher quality machine tools, Pakistan would produced significantly higher quality aircraft. If technology partnerships can be made with South Africa, China and Turkey in terms of sub-systems and components, the AH-1s and UH-1s could be updated to a competitive offering.

In addition, given the huge market of AH-1s and UH-1s globally, this is one product that can be sold as replenishment, spares or even new procurement. It is after all, much easier to add an existing type rather than procure a new type which are often significantly more complex and costly. The present US AH-1 Super Cobras offered have also evolved significantly and are not equivalent to the original AH-1s so the path is clear to make a meaningful inroad into the international market.

It is often said that with every challenge comes an opportunity. The present challenge in FATA, the decades long war in Siachin, and the new threat posed by India with its wild procurement of advanced helicopters and local production may just be the challenge that can become an opportunity.

Read more: Grande Strategy

this grande strategy guy is full of air sometimes.

there are many chinese platforms available (licenced copy of eurocopter) light, med and heavy lift from where PAA can choose if required. at the moment Mi-17's and Pumas are providing adequate service. PAA did request Chinooks from the US but so far there hasnt been any response from the US. if PAA like the PAF invests in a facility like Kamra for maintenance and rebuild of its helo fleet, the impact of 'shortages' would ease to quite an extent. need the will to do this.
 
Pakistan's helicopter fleet has been ageing and while infusion of new helicopters in the form of UH-60s (potentially), Mi-17s and others, there is a perceived shortage of airframes. This is due to the present war in the tribal areas, where helicopters are at a premium and their shortage is being felt while simultaneously rapidly ageing and depreciating the fleet. It is also due to the extreme topography of Pakistan's north, where an undeclared border conflict continues to consume resources against India.

Helicopters are also an important consideration in terms of the topographic scenario not only in the north but also to the east, where any future conflict with India requires conflicts across rivers and other natural barriers. In contrast to India's huge fleet of growing helicopters including now locally manufactured units, Pakistan has a long-term perceived need of maintaining a semblance of comparability.

One of the key features of the Pakistani helicopter fleet is the diversity of the helicopters available. These include AH-1s, IAR 330, Aerospatiale Alouettes, AS350, UH-1, Bell 412, 206 Jet Ranger, Mi-17s, Z-9s and more. This wide diversity of helicopters with often a small number of units of each type adds a great deal of maintenance and operational issues that adds both expense and consumes significant resources.

The attack helicopter presently in use is also ageing and rapidly losing its operational capability at a time it is needed the most. The AH-1s have been highly successful in FATA and Swat and their dwindling numbers is a serious cause of concern. Pakistan Army (PA) is presently looking at potential replacements including potentially the Z-10 and the Turkish T-129 but funds remain scarce and these deals seem far off. The point remains that even if such a deal goes through, PA will not be able to buy the quantities that the present operational conditions and the long term requirement vis-a-vis the topography in the North and the challenge from the East pose.

Perhaps the answer to this quandary is to replicate the JF-17 and Al-Khalid programs and build an equivalent helicopter plan. One possible solution is to look at importing blue-prints and know-how coupled with joint development. Such a solution could find a partner in China or Turkey. Yet another solution exists.


Given the geo-strategic situation, the US cannot be seen to contribute much post-2014 when their troops leave Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the new Iranian government is showing positive overtures to Pakistan. Iran produces UH-1 / AH-1 helicopters and has the blue prints and production line. While Iranian helicopters are of doubtful quality, if manufacturing of these can be obtained under the table, Pakistan could have an ideal platform to begin helicopter production at minimal cost. Utilizing better technology and higher quality machine tools, Pakistan would produced significantly higher quality aircraft. If technology partnerships can be made with South Africa, China and Turkey in terms of sub-systems and components, the AH-1s and UH-1s could be updated to a competitive offering.

In addition, given the huge market of AH-1s and UH-1s globally, this is one product that can be sold as replenishment, spares or even new procurement. It is after all, much easier to add an existing type rather than procure a new type which are often significantly more complex and costly. The present US AH-1 Super Cobras offered have also evolved significantly and are not equivalent to the original AH-1s so the path is clear to make a meaningful inroad into the international market.

It is often said that with every challenge comes an opportunity. The present challenge in FATA, the decades long war in Siachin, and the new threat posed by India with its wild procurement of advanced helicopters and local production may just be the challenge that can become an opportunity.

Read more: Grande Strategy

Pak Army Aviation will acquire 10 modified AS550 C3 Fennec light attack helicopters ..... A tender was released in May 2013 for 70 mm unguided rockets for these helicopters ..

For transport purposes, Pakistan is going for more Mi 17's..

And forget AH-1Z / AH-1W Super Cobras .. We aren't getting any ... However, Pakistan wants to buy 15 T-129's from Turkey for $ 500 million .. Expect progress only when economy stabilizes
 
In my humble opinion... Pakistan should get the Z-9 series or pehaps the Mi-17s from china under ToT...

Pak Army Aviation will acquire 10 modified AS550 C3 Fennec light attack helicopters ..... A tender was released in May 2013 for 70 mm unguided rockets for these helicopters ..

For transport purposes, Pakistan is going for more Mi 17's..

And forget AH-1Z / AH-1W Super Cobras .. We aren't getting any ... However, Pakistan wants to buy 15 T-129's from Turkey for $ 500 million .. Expect progress only when economy stabilizes

2 SQDs isnt 15 helicopters..
 
Guys it says "UH-60 (potentionaly)" any infos regarding it?

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@Neptune - Lets face it....we're not getting any !

Its either going to be more Cobras under the FMS or the Z-10s or one of the Chinese Variants on Soft-Loans !
 
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@Neptune - Lets face it....we're not getting any !

Its either going to be more Cobras under the FMS or the Z-10s or one of the Chinese Variants on Soft-Loans !

man don't be that. Because I have an idea.

When the gov't many of these to Law Enforcement/army/Navy/air force/gendermerie. There's been a hell of a blackhawks. And now gov't doesn't wanna pay for it anymore, but still wants to buy.

Under the Turkish Utility Heli program. They chose sikorsky under the name of T-70 with ToT.

I mean Pakistan can join to that program!!! :yahoo:
 
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man don't be that. Because I have an idea.

When the gov't many of these to Law Enforcement/army/Navy/air force/gendermerie. There's been a hell of a blackhawks. And now gov't doesn't wanna pay for it anymore, but still wants to buy.

Under the Turkish Utility Heli program. They chose sikorsky under the name of T-70 with ToT.
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I mean Pakistan can join to that program!! :yahoo:

that also require money
its simple we dont have any :cry:
 
15 means only one squadron .... But Pakistan doesn't have $ 500 million to buy this one squadron too..

Hope the Fennec's will be delivered soon ..

16-18 helis = 1 sqd... also as per news PAA wants 2 sqds... and how did u even came to the conclusion of the figure?

How can China give a licence of such product which they himself manufacture under licence?

Just like they gave it to Argentina...
 
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