Pakistan's future force

[KashifAsrar]

Why are u so eager to see Pakistan leading a muslim world???

And why you are so afraid of Pakistan leading the muslim world, old chap?
Kashif

 

[waz]

Army:

TANKS (2500?)

- 700 Al-Khalid (according to many pak militarys sites and personal)
- 700 Al-Zarrar (according to many pak militarys sites and personal)
- 500 T-85p (to be upgraded to T-96 p standard)
- 600 T-80UD/T-84 (300 more where orderd according to dawn in 03)
- Al-Khalid 2 (?) currently in developement

APC's (3300)

-2000 Al-Talha (according to many pak militarys sites and personal)
- 300 various different apc's built at HIT for specific misions
- 1000 m113 vehicles (currently 700 are on order from sweden)

Hi Kasier I am aware of the Al Khalid’s being up to 700 strong but I didn’t know we had received the follow on order from the original the 320 Ukrainian T-80UD can you find any link for this please? Also the follow on order would be still designated as “T-80UD” but would be more reminiscent of the T-84 which is the counter part of the Russian T-90 due to its advanced features.

As for the upgrading of the T-85’s to the T-96 standard do you have any times lines for this?

 

[Kaiser]

Hi Kasier I am aware of the Al Khalid’s being up to 700 strong but I didn’t know we had received the follow on order from the original the 320 Ukrainian T-80UD can you find any link for this please? Also the follow on order would be still designated as “T-80UD” but would be more reminiscent of the T-84 which is the counter part of the Russian T-90 due to its advanced features.

As for the upgrading of the T-85’s to the T-96 standard do you have any times lines for this?

Pakistan had recieved all T-80's long ago even after russia denyed some parts to pakistan. This later prompted ukraine to make its own new tank called the T-84 oplot which is considered one of the best tanks in the world. According to dawn pakistan later orderd extra 300 T-84 in 2003 because of its fast ageing patton fleet

 

[waz]

Pakistan had recieved all T-80's long ago even after russia denyed some parts to pakistan. This later prompted ukraine to make its own new tank called the T-84 oplot which is considered one of the best tanks in the world. According to dawn pakistan later orderd extra 300 T-84 in 2003 because of its fast ageing patton fleet

That’s fine but do you know if we have received them and are now actively in service? As this gives the PA an immense punch especially with the Al-Khalid as well.

 

[Quwa]

I would prefer a leading system as opposed to a leading country in the Muslim world; Caliphate should be a economic and political system in which no one suffers and everyone prospers. The leaders in the Caliphate should be the best among us - regardless of race, social status, economic status, etc. Pakistan can and should be on the forefront of this change - but that can only happen if it changes itself first!

 

[Bull]

And why you are so afraid of Pakistan leading the muslim world, old chap?
Kashif

There is nothing like leading the muslim world.All muslim countries should learn how to stand on their on legs.

You are making the muslim world looking like a bunch of kids. who needs someone master to lead them.They are not.Smaller muslim countries like UAE,Qatar are doing a wondrfull job in finding their own niche in the global market
place.

Nobody needs a master.

 

[Bull]

And why you are so afraid of Pakistan leading the muslim world, old chap?
Kashif

How did u know i was afraid?

 

[Spring Onion]

There is nothing like leading the muslim world.All muslim countries should learn how to stand on their on legs.

You are making the muslim world looking like a bunch of kids. who needs someone master to lead them.They are not.Smaller muslim countries like UAE,Qatar are doing a wondrfull job in finding their own niche in the global market
place.

Nobody needs a master.

Yes indeed that is the right way to think for Muslims.

Its a team work they can be might forces if they decide to team up some will provide money some brain some might.

ah alaas if they can understand.

 

[KashifAsrar]

There is nothing like leading the muslim world.All muslim countries should learn how to stand on their on legs.

You are making the muslim world looking like a bunch of kids. who needs someone master to lead them.They are not.Smaller muslim countries like UAE,Qatar are doing a wondrfull job in finding their own niche in the global market
place.

Nobody needs a master.

We are talking about defence here not Economy.
By your logic then NATO is a group pf TODDLERS.
UAE and QATAR might be doing good in economy but they do not have the potential to play a lead role in Muslim Ummah, atleast for now.

Kashif

 

[KashifAsrar]

How did u know i was afraid?

Then why you look concerned?
Kashif

 

[Spring Onion]

Then why you look concerned?
Kashif

Cuz u mentioned Pakistan

 

[Spring Onion]

We are talking about defence here not Economy.
By your logic then NATO is a group pf TODDLERS.

Is there any doubt

UAE and QATAR might be doing good in economy but they do not have the potential to play a lead role in Muslim Ummah, atleast for now.

Kashif

yes there had to be some1 with solid strategy who could lead the Ummah.
Agree with u.

 

[Bull]

We are talking about defence here not Economy.
By your logic then NATO is a group pf TODDLERS.
UAE and QATAR might be doing good in economy but they do not have the potential to play a lead role in Muslim Ummah, atleast for now.

Kashif

NATO was developed due to the cold war and not to lead anybody.

Economy is more vital than Military!!!

 

[Bull]

Then why you look concerned?
Kashif

try distinguishing btw curious,concern and fear

 

[U-571]

We are talking about defence here not Economy.
By your logic then NATO is a group pf TODDLERS.
UAE and QATAR might be doing good in economy but they do not have the potential to play a lead role in Muslim Ummah, atleast for now.

Kashif

dont say, U.A.E and QATAR have any thing to do with "defence", kashif is right, only the "potential" countries can work on the "massive defence projects", also, u need to have a strategic position, pakistan has the most "vital stratgic location" in the world, it is sandwitched bw some of the most "military active countries", pakistan borders iran, india, china and russia.

indonesia has some economic advantage over pakistan, but indonesia is an island nation, its using up its resources but it doesnt have the ability to transform it into "massive military power", noop, it cant be done, while pakistan taking deep dark sleep, it has super potential to become a "massive power", both location wise and resources wise,

do u ppl know pakistan has got world's largest uranium reserves, only the thing is to produce enriched uranium.

if muslims face any aggression from india, pakistan will be the one to protect them, if there is any possible chinese(i really believe it) then, it will be pakistan saving them. pakistanis can even launch the "gurella" war within its country, as the mountains of balouchistan lik afghanistan, greatly support gurelli war against agressors, v dont find any similar advantages packed together in one muslim country, pakistan can become the leading "supporting" nation in the islamic world in their offensive battle against any non-muslim agressor, tht doesnt mean pakistan becomes "the leader" of islamic world.