Pakistan’s female commandos of the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS)

[truthseeker2010]

In the forces you have to have a dress code. Its not a democratic institution.

Look at the photo I posted above and tell me if you do not see a resemblance.

Are Pakistanis Indic or Iranic?

Seems to me in your attempt to move away from India, you are also losing your own culture and aping someone else's.

Pakistanis are pakistanis neither iranian nor indian, we have our own culture and traditions.

covering their head and covering their face are two different thing, covering their head with dupatta is a must and its a norm in pakistani society, but covering their face is on their own discretion.

 

[doppelganger]

Our faith is indifferent to 'race'. The women dress like that all over the Muslim world. Apart from Kurds, i don't see any Muslim people who take their 'race' too seriously.

Seems you haven't met many Iranians then. Or arabs from the UAE. Or Turks. Why go so far away? Your own country prior to 1971 between the Punjabis and the Bengalis. If that was not a racist hatred, I do not know what was.Or your Hazara of today. Muslims all.

Pakistanis are pakistanis neither iranian nor indian, we have our own culture and traditions.

I said Indic and Iranic, not Indian or Iranian. One is phenotype, the other political. As people, you (Punjabis and Sindhis) are Indic. While your Pashtun and Baloch are Iranic.

The black dress seen in the pictures is definitely not Indic.

covering their head and covering their face are two different thing, covering their head with dupatta is a must and its a norm in pakistani society, but covering their face is on their own discretion.

Nothing in the photos resembles a shalwar kameez or a dupatta. You are reaching here.

 

[Jayhawk]

Seems you haven't met many Iranians then. Or arabs from the UAE. Or Turks. Why go so far away? Your own country prior to 1971 between the Punjabis and the Bengalis. If that was not a racist hatred, I do not know what was.



I said Indic and Iranic, not Indian or Iranian. One is phenotype, the other political. As people, you (Punjabis and Sindhis) are Indic. While your Pashtun and Baloch are Iranic.

The black dress seen in the pictures is definitely not Indic.



Nothing in the photos resembles a shalwar kameez or a dupatta. You are reaching here.

Why does it matter what they dress like. If they are getting the job done, thats all that matters.

 

[doppelganger]

Why does it matter what they dress like. If they are getting the job done, thats all that matters.

Baba I am just noticing, observing and commenting. Their country, their women, their dress sense, their society.

 

[Kompromat]

Seems you haven't met many Iranians then. Or arabs from the UAE. Or Turks. Why go so far away? Your own country prior to 1971 between the Punjabis and the Bengalis. If that was not a racist hatred, I do not know what was.

I have met all of them and trust me the ethnic nationalism in Muslim world is less than the rest of the world. There is no denying however that it does exist and defines many communities. As for being Iranic or whatever has nothing to do with how people choose to dress in here. Pakistan has its own culture and i believe the best way to protect it is to let people make their own choices out of free will.

 

[doppelganger]

Pakistan has its own culture

What was Pakistan (culture or anything else) before 1947?

Not getting into a ghisapita India Pakistan debate with you here. Just commenting that increasingly I am seeing your values and dress and possibly thinking moving away from the parent culture.

Sari is hindu, shalwar kameez is muslim. This black dress is more Iranian or Afghan (though their is blue-ish?).

 

[Kompromat]

What was Pakistan (culture or anything else) before 1947?

Not getting into a ghisapita India Pakistan debate with you here. Just commenting that increasingly I am seeing your values and dress and possibly thinking moving away from the parent culture.

All provinces in Pakistan have their own indigenous cultures, attire, cuisine, music and so on. Much like India, Pakistan too doesn't have a uniformed culture as it varies while you travel from Islamabad to Karachi. Only thing that Pakistan has done successfully so far in cultural integration is that almost all Pakistanis speak a single language. In terms of dresses etc, Shalwar Kameez is also the dominant dress for both males and females. In other words after Pakistan's creation, there has been a lot of mixing of cultures and slowly but steadily we see it becoming uniformed, i,e speaking a common language, common dress, common music and food. In Pakistan you might start your day with Punjabi Sri Paye in breakfast, have Sindhi Biryani in lunch and eat Peshawari Kebab in dinner while sipping Kashmiri tea. Urbanization, and ability to travel fast are tools which a state can use to create a broad yet diverse culture from its existing traditions. These days for instance in Punjab its quite common for boys to wear Sindhi Ajrak on weddings and the Sindhi cap. The Pakhtoon cap is a must have for everyone in Pakistan during winter along with a Kashmiri shawl. Having said all of this, you can still find the cultural diversity while you travel from one corner to another.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Oh i never knew about this . Salute to these sisters. What a good statement "They are mothers,sisters and daughters Now we need them to be Commando too"

 

[doppelganger]

All provinces in Pakistan have their own indigenous cultures, attire, cuisine, music and so on. Much like India, Pakistan too doesn't have a uniformed culture as it varies while you travel from Islamabad to Karachi. Only thing that Pakistan has done successfully so far in cultural integration is that almost all Pakistanis speak a single language. In terms of dresses etc, Shalwar Kameez is also the dominant dress for both males and females. In other words after Pakistan's creation, there has been a lot of mixing of cultures and slowly but steadily we see it becoming uniformed, i,e speaking a common language, common dress, common music and food. In Pakistan you might start your day with Punjabi Sri Paye in breakfast, have Sindhi Biryani in lunch and eat Peshawari Kebab in dinner while sipping Kashmiri tea. Urbanization, and ability to travel fast are tools which a state can use to create a broad yet diverse culture from its existing traditions. These days for instance in Punjab its quite common for boys to wear Sindhi Ajrak on weddings and the Sindhi cap. The Pakhtoon cap is a must have for everyone in Pakistan during winter along with a Kashmiri shawl. Having said all of this, you can still find the cultural diversity while you travel from one corner to another.

I get all this.

Still I feel that the all black dress is not of the subcontinent. It is arabic.

I guess if I am not mistaken, one can be fully modest and chaste and in keeping with all the diktats of your faith and its holy book, without having to wear what's foreign.

Sari has pallu, shalwar kameez the dupatta. This black abaya, nikab, burqa etc. are all an attempt to show the arabs that we are good muslims, just like you. It is a yearning to be what you are not, a yearning to be included where you never belonged and will never belong.

Insofar as the above, yes it is suppressed and latent racial longing to "belong." Indian civilization, even after the advent of Islam, never had this black clothing for the longest time. Its a recent phenomenon, even out here in India.

 

[Kompromat]

I get all this.

Still I feel that the all black dress is not of the subcontinent. It is arabic.

I guess if I am not mistaken, one can be fully modest and chaste and in keeping with all the diktats of your faith and its holy book, without having to wear what's foreign.

Sari has pallu, shalwar kameez the dupatta. This black abaya, nikab, burqa etc. are all an attempt to show the arabs that we are good muslims, just like you. It is a yearning to be what you are not, a yearning to be included where you never belonged and will never belong.

Insofar as the above, yes it is suppressed and latent racial longing to "belong." Indian civilization, even after the advent of Islam, never had this black clothing for the longest time. Its a recent phenomenon, even out here in India.

First 100% Female CT team.

 

[doppelganger]

That's professional. Otherwise also I think your army women etc have pretty professional clothing. So was wondering why this sudden Iranian type attire out of the blue.

 

[Kompromat]

That's professional. Otherwise also I think your army women etc have pretty professional clothing. So was wondering why this sudden Iranian type attire out of the blue.

As i said earlier, the woman can choose what kind of attire to wear as per their own wishes.

These are from the Rangers.

 

[doppelganger]

In all the photos, the women are wearing military style fatigues and caps or berets (even the ones who have the loose scarf under the berets).

I don't know why you keep stressing the free personal choice bit when all the photos show the women wearing a single common uniform.

A uniform is for everyone. Not specific to some per personal choice. Coming back to the black ones.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

All provinces in Pakistan have their own indigenous cultures, attire, cuisine, music and so on. Much like India, Pakistan too doesn't have a uniformed culture as it varies while you travel from Islamabad to Karachi. Only thing that Pakistan has done successfully so far in cultural integration is that almost all Pakistanis speak a single language. In terms of dresses etc, Shalwar Kameez is also the dominant dress for both males and females. In other words after Pakistan's creation, there has been a lot of mixing of cultures and slowly but steadily we see it becoming uniformed, i,e speaking a common language, common dress, common music and food. In Pakistan you might start your day with Punjabi Sri Paye in breakfast, have Sindhi Biryani in lunch and eat Peshawari Kebab in dinner while sipping Kashmiri tea. Urbanization, and ability to travel fast are tools which a state can use to create a broad yet diverse culture from its existing traditions. These days for instance in Punjab its quite common for boys to wear Sindhi Ajrak on weddings and the Sindhi cap. The Pakhtoon cap is a must have for everyone in Pakistan during winter along with a Kashmiri shawl. Having said all of this, you can still find the cultural diversity while you travel from one corner to another.

You forgot balochi SAGGI/SAJJI......

 

[TOPGUN]

In all the photos, the women are wearing military style fatigues and caps or berets (even the ones who have the loose scarf under the berets).

I don't know why you keep stressing the free personal choice bit when all the photos show the women wearing a single common uniform.
A uniform is for everyone. Not specific to some per personal choice. Coming back to the black ones.

Doppe , please give it up .. I think my friend has expressed enough info and pic's for you to understand Islamic values play major part of muslim women even in the forces some wear hajib or in this case wear black and covering their faces etc....and some don't in our forces as well it all depends please leave it alone its hard to understand and let us enjoy and appreciate our women in our forces thanks no hard feelings .