Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Gryphon]

https://twitter.com/x/status/879979631172079616

A report by Pravda (Serbia) said Sumadija is under trials in Pakistan.

@Penguin

Here it is.

 

[monitor]

A report by Pravda (Serbia) said Sumadija is under trials in Pakistan.

@Penguin

Here it is.

Interesting thing is Aleksandar new 155 mm wheeled self-propelled howitzer also use same chasis as Sumajia . It will lessen logistics nightmare for it's customer.

 

[proka89]

A report by Pravda (Serbia) said Sumadija is under trials in Pakistan.

Most probably false report. I don't believe that Sumadija will be ready for testing any time soon, it's still under development.

Interesting thing is Aleksandar new 155 mm wheeled self-propelled howitzer also use same chasis as Sumajia . It will lessen logistics nightmare for it's customer.

Nora B52, Aleksandar and Sumadija are using modified KAMAZ 6560 chasis.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

When last checked Pakistan was intersted in Nora B52/2

 

[Path-Finder]

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Can it reload by itself cuz I saw a french sph that could reload itself operating in ME

 

[Penguin]

A report by Pravda (Serbia) said Sumadija is under trials in Pakistan.

@Penguin

Here it is.

Finally ;-)
Thx.

So, Sumadija rocket can be fired from 4-rocket carrying 8x8 truck chassis, or from recapitalized FROG-7 TEL (Zil 135)

"The Sumadija can be configured with different types of launcher station according to the mission requirements. To fire the Jerina 1 missile, the vehicle can be fitted with two to four tube launchers each containing two missiles. With the use of the Jerina 2 unguided rocket, the vehicle can be fitted with four modules of 3 tube launchers offering the possibility to carried a total of 12 unguided rockets.

The Jerina 1 is guided ammunition using a inertial navigation system INS/GPS and a guidance system to control the fly of the missile. This missile can be fire from a range of 70 km to 285 km. The front of the missile is fitted with an HE fragmentation warhead which has a weight of 20 kg.

The Jerina 2 is unguided rocket with a caliber of 267mm and an HE/fragmentation warhead with a weight of 110 kg."

http://www.armyrecognition.com/part..._system_yugoimport_partner_2017_12706172.html

Nora B52, Aleksandar and Sumadija are using modified KAMAZ 6560 chasis.

Sure?

"At Partner 2017, the Defense Exhibition in Belgrade, Serbian Defense Company Yugoimport unveils the Sumadija, a new multiple rocket and missile launcher system based on a 8x8 Tatra truck chassis. This artillery system is able to fire guided missiles and unguided rockets. "
See http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.nl/2017/06/yugoimport-unveils-sumadija-multiple.html

"The new Sumadija is based on the same Tatra truck chassis which is used for the self-propelled artillery howitzer Nora B-52. "
See http://www.armyrecognition.com/part..._system_yugoimport_partner_2017_12706172.html

 

[proka89]

Sure?

"At Partner 2017, the Defense Exhibition in Belgrade, Serbian Defense Company Yugoimport unveils the Sumadija, a new multiple rocket and missile launcher system based on a 8x8 Tatra truck chassis. This artillery system is able to fire guided missiles and unguided rockets. "
See http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.nl/2017/06/yugoimport-unveils-sumadija-multiple.html

"The new Sumadija is based on the same Tatra truck chassis which is used for the self-propelled artillery howitzer Nora B-52. "
See http://www.armyrecognition.com/part..._system_yugoimport_partner_2017_12706172.html

Probably mistake made by armyrecognition. Since 2008 Yugoimport is using KAMAZ chassis. First version of Nora B52 without any armor that went to Burma, used KAMAZ 63501, and now they are using KAMAZ 6560

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

@Penguin @Path-Finder @TheOccupiedKashmir @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Guys any chances of new turkish sph's to be trialed in Pakistan?

 

[Path-Finder]

@Penguin @Path-Finder @TheOccupiedKashmir @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Guys any chances of new turkish sph's to be trialed in Pakistan?

Stay tuned to find out more!

 

[peruni]

New 155mm Nora MGS-25 is now in market.

Designed to be automatic and in future can easy became full robot 155mm gun.

Design was planed since 2009 and was designated as K2.

Crucial better improvements from predecessors and new features was planed:

-25 liter chamber
-higher rate of fire
-laser guided long range ammunition
-smaller crew of 3 man
-new automated functions like automatic re-upload of gun automatic loader
-smaller weight~25 tonnes
-automatic leveling of gun in north direction
-new VLAP, smoke and light grenade

Development started in 2012.

Nora MGS-25 named "Alexander" comes with 12 rounds ready for fire in a revolver type of automatic loader and has 12 additional ammunition that are stored in a storage box located at back after the crew cabin and engine-hydraulic compartment.

New automatic loading system can reload ammunition compartment in a back of a gun with 12 shells.
MGS-25 has a rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute and can continue firing operations until all ammunition is used on vehicle.
Maximum range is 56 km with new the 155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB (VLAP) domestically produced.

It is planned to finish development and domestically produce new 155mm laser guided projectile.

MGS-25 can be remotely controlled by its crew via separate remote control up to 100 meters from vehicle thanks to high level of automation of all functions. It is a robotic platform essentially.

New module can be placed on any chassis including vehicle and tracked that can handle its dimensions and weight and could be used as a main gun or artillery gun on warships.

There is a new development in Mortars in Serbia with a new round for 120mm mortars with a range of 13.5km.

As I mentioned before Pakistan could make great deals if it partners with Serbia for many different artillery upgrades and production.

That includes Nora MGS-25, Nora B-52, producing VLAP rounds and other round, upguning Pakistan existing 130mm to 155mm(we had this in offering for a few decades now since 1986), automation of Pakistan existing 122mm to Sora 122mm level with 6 barrel auto-loader, making 105mm with longer caliber barrel mounted on trucks, producing towed 155mm Nora A1 or M08 with longer barrel and many others including upgrading yours M114 155mm guns.

And we are open for some new joint ventures like new light 105mm gun, laser guided air to ground missiles, COIN airplanes and many more.

We had developed artillery Nora M-84 system before 1984 that had a range of 24km without unassisted projectile and today it is 2017 and still many countries had not achieved such a result with their guns.

I personally don't see what South Korea has to offer that we did not already done decades before in artillery segment. Only thing they have better is tracked vehicle for 155mm K-9 artillery because we had stop our producing of tracked vehicles and development of vehicles that could be used for such a purpose. When you talk about artillery gun we have our share of technology in world that has long time ago showed our capabilities and we are still improving and we are leading in many segments and offering unbeatable price/performance ratio.

MGS-25 comes with modern FCS and can be commanded on battery and division level trough appropriate communications and software.

 

[Path-Finder]

New 155mm Nora MGS-25 is now in market.

Designed to be automatic and in future can easy became full robot 155mm gun.

Design was planed since 2009 and was designated as K2.

Crucial better improvements from predecessors and new features was planed:

-25 liter chamber
-higher rate of fire
-laser guided long range ammunition
-smaller crew of 3 man
-new automated functions like automatic re-upload of gun automatic loader
-smaller weight~25 tonnes
-automatic leveling of gun in north direction
-new VLAP, smoke and light grenade

Development started in 2012.

Nora MGS-25 named "Alexander" comes with 12 rounds ready for fire in a revolver type of automatic loader and has 12 additional ammunition that are stored in a storage box located at back after the crew cabin and engine-hydraulic compartment.

New automatic loading system can reload ammunition compartment in a back of a gun with 12 shells.
MGS-25 has a rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute and can continue firing operations until all ammunition is used on vehicle.
Maximum range is 56 km with new the 155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB (VLAP) domestically produced.

It is planned to finish development and domestically produce new 155mm laser guided projectile.

MGS-25 can be remotely controlled by its crew via separate remote control up to 100 meters from vehicle thanks to high level of automation of all functions. It is a robotic platform essentially.

New module can be placed on any chassis including vehicle and tracked that can handle its dimensions and weight and could be used as a main gun or artillery gun on warships.

There is a new development in Mortars in Serbia with a new round for 120mm mortars with a range of 13.5km.

As I mentioned before Pakistan could make great deals if it partners with Serbia for many different artillery upgrades and production.

That includes Nora MGS-25, Nora B-52, producing VLAP rounds and other round, upguning Pakistan existing 130mm to 155mm(we had this in offering for a few decades now since 1986), automation of Pakistan existing 122mm to Sora 122mm level with 6 barrel auto-loader, making 105mm with longer caliber barrel mounted on trucks, producing towed 155mm Nora A1 or M08 with longer barrel and many others including upgrading yours M114 155mm guns.

And we are open for some new joint ventures like new light 105mm gun, laser guided air to ground missiles, COIN airplanes and many more.

We had developed artillery Nora M-84 system before 1984 that had a range of 24km without unassisted projectile and today it is 2017 and still many countries had not achieved such a result with their guns.

I personally don't see what South Korea has to offer that we did not already done decades before in artillery segment. Only thing they have better is tracked vehicle for 155mm K-9 artillery because we had stop our producing of tracked vehicles and development of vehicles that could be used for such a purpose. When you talk about artillery gun we have our share of technology in world that has long time ago showed our capabilities and we are still improving and we are leading in many segments and offering unbeatable price/performance ratio.

MGS-25 comes with modern FCS and can be commanded on battery and division level trough appropriate communications and software.

any more info on the 120mm mortar with 13 km range?

 

[peruni]

It is a range of a new ammo fired from our existing mortars including first and foremost heavy M-95 120mm mortar made currently by domestic producer Prva Petoletka Trstenik.

M-95 mortar has range of 9300 meters with VD HM-95 mortar mine and with this new range goes up to 13.5km.
M-95 mortar has greater range compared to older M-74 120mm mortar that is still produced.
M-95 120mm mortar has rate of fire of about 9 to 15 mines per minute and it is about 212kg.
M-74 mortar has maximum range of about 6.4km and has shorter barrel than M-95 mortar.
We alsa have M-75 light mortar that weights 178kg and has range od 9.4km with Mk12P1-L mortar shell.

With new long range 120mm shell M-95 and M-75 light mortar could have range of about 13km. Mortar shell is produced by Krusik Valjevo and they will produce a new 13.5km shell.

 

[Penguin]

Probably mistake made by armyrecognition. Since 2008 Yugoimport is using KAMAZ chassis. First version of Nora B52 without any armor that went to Burma, used KAMAZ 63501, and now they are using KAMAZ 6560

Could be. Since Nora B52 dates back to last century. Although Army Recognition generally is proven trustworthy. Tatra did take over the Serbian state-owned construction and agricultural machinery maker IMK 14. This produces

• LRSVM Morava
• M-94 Plamen-S
• M-96 Orkan II
• Tank power packs

http://www.armyrecognition.com/part...owitzer_yugoimport_partner_2017_12706173.html
Serbian state-owned construction and agricultural machinery maker IMK 14.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMK_14._oktobar_Kruševac#Military_program

But those FAP trucks are Benz based IIRC

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

New 155mm Nora MGS-25 is now in market.

Designed to be automatic and in future can easy became full robot 155mm gun.

Design was planed since 2009 and was designated as K2.

Crucial better improvements from predecessors and new features was planed:

-25 liter chamber
-higher rate of fire
-laser guided long range ammunition
-smaller crew of 3 man
-new automated functions like automatic re-upload of gun automatic loader
-smaller weight~25 tonnes
-automatic leveling of gun in north direction
-new VLAP, smoke and light grenade

Development started in 2012.

Nora MGS-25 named "Alexander" comes with 12 rounds ready for fire in a revolver type of automatic loader and has 12 additional ammunition that are stored in a storage box located at back after the crew cabin and engine-hydraulic compartment.

New automatic loading system can reload ammunition compartment in a back of a gun with 12 shells.
MGS-25 has a rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute and can continue firing operations until all ammunition is used on vehicle.
Maximum range is 56 km with new the 155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB (VLAP) domestically produced.

It is planned to finish development and domestically produce new 155mm laser guided projectile.

MGS-25 can be remotely controlled by its crew via separate remote control up to 100 meters from vehicle thanks to high level of automation of all functions. It is a robotic platform essentially.

New module can be placed on any chassis including vehicle and tracked that can handle its dimensions and weight and could be used as a main gun or artillery gun on warships.

There is a new development in Mortars in Serbia with a new round for 120mm mortars with a range of 13.5km.

As I mentioned before Pakistan could make great deals if it partners with Serbia for many different artillery upgrades and production.

That includes Nora MGS-25, Nora B-52, producing VLAP rounds and other round, upguning Pakistan existing 130mm to 155mm(we had this in offering for a few decades now since 1986), automation of Pakistan existing 122mm to Sora 122mm level with 6 barrel auto-loader, making 105mm with longer caliber barrel mounted on trucks, producing towed 155mm Nora A1 or M08 with longer barrel and many others including upgrading yours M114 155mm guns.

And we are open for some new joint ventures like new light 105mm gun, laser guided air to ground missiles, COIN airplanes and many more.

We had developed artillery Nora M-84 system before 1984 that had a range of 24km without unassisted projectile and today it is 2017 and still many countries had not achieved such a result with their guns.

I personally don't see what South Korea has to offer that we did not already done decades before in artillery segment. Only thing they have better is tracked vehicle for 155mm K-9 artillery because we had stop our producing of tracked vehicles and development of vehicles that could be used for such a purpose. When you talk about artillery gun we have our share of technology in world that has long time ago showed our capabilities and we are still improving and we are leading in many segments and offering unbeatable price/performance ratio.

MGS-25 comes with modern FCS and can be commanded on battery and division level trough appropriate communications and software.

Upgrading old 130mm guns would be helpful.. I wonder if Serbia is in talks.. considering Koreans have sent their KHs for the same purpose..

And they helped Pak produce VLAP ammunition.

A report by Pravda (Serbia) said Sumadija is under trials in Pakistan.

@Penguin

Here it is.

@Dazzler. @The Deterrent @Penguin. can't we work out older Abdali/Haft series short range missiles into something like this?

Maybe that's what they are thinking wrt new "indigenous advanced MLRS" modp report mentioned?