Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Reichmarshal]

And that here ?
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Thats not a A-5 variant
It's the earlier version, before the upgrade

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Do we use smart shells or smart bomb for our artillery? For example we have the GIDS takbir smart bomb but do we have that for artillery as well?

 

[NP-complete]

Right now Pakistan has around 2500 artillery pieces. We should increase them to around 4000. Concentrated artillery fire is more important than concentrated armour.

 

[Inception-06]

Right now Pakistan has around 2500 artillery pieces. We should increase them to around 4000. Concentrated artillery fire is more important than concentrated armour.

What senseless comments are you 2014 Members posting ?

Do we use smart shells or smart bomb for our artillery? For example we have the GIDS takbir smart bomb but do we have that for artillery as well?

Please use wikipedia, Artillery use grenades not bombs !

 

[NP-complete]

What senseless comments are you 2014 Members are posting ?

Whats senseless about it ? Should i mention how many artillery pieces were involved in various wars ?

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Please use wikipedia, Artillery use grenades not bombs ![/quote]



K so do we use any satellite guided technology for our artillery?

 

[Inception-06]

Please use wikipedia, Artillery use grenades not bombs !

K so do we use any satellite guided technology for our artillery?[/quote]

Yes.

Whats senseless about it ? Should i mention how many artillery pieces were involved in various wars ?

Yes explain how many artillery pieces were involved in India-Pakistan wars !

 

[NP-complete]

Yes explain how many artillery pieces were involved in India-Pakistan wars !

Pakistan-India wars cannot be considered as proper wars. Just petty fights. Pakistan should build a total war capacity. India would never think about fighting us.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It would be nice to see an article on site that talks about relevance of Artillery in modern warfare, considering so much damage is done now a days by Air Strikes and precision guided weapons and cruise missiles and other Air to ground weapons. Or Even GPS based Missiles that are fired from Sea base platform

Is Artillery , still relevant in today's battle field vs usage of Tanks or Missile based systems or even Rocket launchers that seem to do massive damage

 

[Inception-06]

This picture were not posted before in this originals ! They are old but gold because in the Kargil war our Artillery was very effective and deadly for the Indian infantry, bunkers and logistic lines........So enjoy this glorious images.

Pakistan Artillery of Type-59 130 mm gun at Mushung (05.Jun.1999) during the Kargil War. Pakistani troops were able to bring down effective artillery fire on Indian positions through much of the conflict, since we commanded all heights.

Ordnance QF 25-pounder guns in service with the Frontier Corps (P.O.F is still selling the rounds for this gun).

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Pakistani self propelled artillery is very impressive-far better than ours atm,the rocket artillery too is modern but i find both india and pakistan having utterly old and obsolete towed artillery.I don't understand why PA bought panter artillery gun.It lacks an electronic fire control system,automatic crane and auto loader-necessary features of modern towed gun.Should have looked at a new chinese gun probably.
But still something is better than nothing which is the case for us.

 

[Inception-06]

Pakistani self propelled artillery is very impressive-far better than ours atm,the rocket artillery too is modern but i find both india and pakistan having utterly old and obsolete towed artillery.I don't understand why PA bought panter artillery gun.It lacks an electronic fire control system,automatic crane and auto loader-necessary features of modern towed gun.Should have looked at a new chinese gun probably.
But still something is better than nothing which is the case for us.

All Pakistani 130mm Type-59IIM towed gun (ca. 500) are upgraded to 155mm standard, according to a indian source.

Indian Analysts Rap Plan To Buy Homemade 130mm Artillery Gun | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

All Pakistani 130mm Type-59IIM towed gun (ca. 500) are upgraded to 155mm standard, according to a indian source.

Indian Analysts Rap Plan To Buy Homemade 130mm Artillery Gun | Defense News | defensenews.com

Yeah i think IA too upgraded 200 odd 130 mm guns from israelis,but these guns themselves are very old designs and lack modern features of towed guns like Electronic FCS,crane,autoloader etc.Even bofors and m198 which are the most advnaced towed guns in respective armies lack these features.All these towed guns in the subcontinent are a generation behind modern guns currently in use.

 

[Inception-06]

Yeah i think IA too upgraded 200 odd 130 mm guns from israelis,but these guns themselves are very old designs and lack modern features of towed guns like Electronic FCS,crane,autoloader etc.Even bofors and m198 which are the most advnaced towed guns in respective armies lack these features.All these towed guns in the subcontinent are a generation behind modern guns currently in use.

Yes you are right, but I think both Armys are capable to use older equipment very effective. For example in high altitudes like Siachen and Kargil. The soviet equipment here the 130mm/155mm Type.59IIM/M-46 Guns is easier to maintain and cost effective compared to hightech guns. Highttech requires more education, highly qualified staff, more spare parts, more cost, more time, it's worth all this? So it comes also down to at what a battlefield is located, is it Siachen ? Desert of Thar ? Punjab ? etc.



just a example: Effects on Weapons
"Low barometric pressure affects the tools of war with a severity that equals its
impact on man. Thin air at high altitudes alters the trajectory of all projectiles that move
through the atmosphere. Projectiles are more efficient in low air pressure because of the ........

Cold weather affects weapon performance as well. Cyclic weapons perform
poorly due to lubricant freezing and metal brittleness.50 A weapon fired in subzero
temperatures crystallizes water vapor in the air, creating ice fog that hangs over the
weapon and vapor trails that follow the round and obscures the gunner's vision.51 Frigid
air reduces the range of projectiles and affects the burst characteristics of artillery
projectiles. Deep snow absorbs most of the impact burst of artillery rounds. Mortars are
significantly affected; a cold tube can prevent the propellant from completely burning,
causing the round to lose range.
So I dont know if the 4 generations of Artillery guns would perform better than the Russian cold weather proofed 130mm Guns.....!

The Pakistan Army was even in 1999 very professional to bring fast, effective and deadly fire with the "old" 130mm Guns (not upgraded at this time) and WW2 british towed guns on Indian positions (indian source:in Kargil, 80% of indian casualties were attributed to Pakistani artillery). While the Indian Army did enjoy the luxery of the Bofors guns Electronic crane, autoloader etc......

source:

NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL
Monterey, California
THESIS
Approved for public release, distribution is unlimited
HIGH ALTITUDE WARFARE: THE KARGIL CONFLICT
AND THE FUTURE


Link:

http://hope.nps.edu/Academics/Centers/CCC/Research/StudentTheses/Acosta03.pdf

 

[Inception-06]

This picture were not posted before in this originals ! They are old but gold because in the Kargil war our Artillery was very effective and deadly for the Indian infantry, bunkers and logistic lines........So enjoy this glorious images.


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Pakistan Artillery of Type-59 130 mm gun at Mushung (05.Jun.1999) during the Kargil War. Pakistani troops were able to bring down effective artillery fire on Indian positions through much of the conflict, since we commanded all heights.
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The Pakistan Artillery during Kargil war here in detail:


"Doctors attributed over half of the Indian casualties evacuated to the military
hospital at Leh to indirect fire. NLI artillery frustrated troop movements on the
Srinagar-Leh Highway and destroyed the Indian Army's ammunition dump in the town of
Kargil. The firepower provided by NLI artillery and mortars thwarted initial Indian
Army assaults, but it would not be enough for the undermanned force to hold its
mountain outposts"

Three 120-mm and two 81-mm mortars stopped Indian assaults on the Tiger Hill
complex for several weeks. Well-developed mule tracks and wire communications
connected the positions, which sat in nullahs protected by steep mountainsides.
Coordinated indirect fire confused Indian offensives and inflicted heavy casualties

while India needed a massive artillery barrage, with as many as 1,200 rounds impacting
every 5 minutes to force an NLI retreat.....at Tiger Hill.
http://hope.nps.edu/Academics/Centers/CCC/Research/StudentTheses/Acosta03.pdf