Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[ghazi52]

Impossible to argue with your genius arguments.

Well said.
I like it.

 

[jawadqamar]

PAF is having the multi role platform, tanker/transporter version.

And if we are gonna get KJ-2000, that would not be from the Chinese fleet, rather we will order a brand new one for ourselves.

And the reason China has 4 and we can't get KJ-2000 is neither the Chinese have more platforms to make KJ-2000s as their last deal for IL-76s/78s fell apart, nor we can as we don't have sources to buy the IL-76/78 platforms.

Pakistan have already bought 4 IL-78 AAR (converted from IL-76 transporter)from the Ukraine and they can buy more if they want as Ukraine had 160 of them in 2000 and is keeping only around 60 in service as per Ukraine - Air Force Equipment @ GlobalSecurity.org

 

[dbc]

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2 Erieyes operating 3-400 KM apart can provide more and better coverage then 1 phalcon at almost same price.

Exactly the point I've been arguing. Erieye's are great, but you don't have enough. You have enough if everything remains unchanged, but not enough for a full fledged war. For the folks who said neither India nor Pakistan will use AWACs/AEW&C for offensive operations - think again.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I love dark chocolate, simple unadulterated 80% cocoa chocolate.



Exactly the point I've been arguing. Erieye's are great, but you don't have enough. You have enough if everything remains unchanged, but not enough for a full fledged war. For the folks who said neither India nor Pakistan will use AWACs/AEW&C for offensive operations - think again.

well honey PAF is gonna have 8 AEWC in just 3 years and 3 for PN. isnt 11 AEWC enough for a country small country like pakistan when compared to india?

 

[SBD-3]

Hay guys, I saw an Erieye hovering over Faisalabad.......I took pictures and made a vid of it as well..................but unfortunately......Next moment I woke up....

 

[Super Falcon]

no maaater what we r going to get KC tanker toooo friends

 

[illuminatus]

I love dark chocolate, simple unadulterated 80% cocoa chocolate.



Exactly the point I've been arguing. Erieye's are great, but you don't have enough. You have enough if everything remains unchanged, but not enough for a full fledged war. For the folks who said neither India nor Pakistan will use AWACs/AEW&C for offensive operations - think again.

That's just utter nonsense. You certainly have no idea what you're talking about. You don't seem to be familiar at all with Pakistani defence deals. Pakistan will have a sizeable fleet of AWACS/AEW&C in the near future. Erieye's are just the tip of the iceberg and will be complemented with Chinese alternatives. The initial numbers are very encouraging and will only increase if/when required. Pakistan has signed a multi-million dollar deal with the Chinese for additional AWACS. Get your facts correct please.

 

[illuminatus]

Well, don't mind but you did not said so, you said something else.

And problem is not about buying, issue is that does PAF needs a KJ-2000 type platform or not, based on the threat perception it has identified. If they had wanted it badly, they would have converted 2-4 platform out of the IL-78s we got.

PAF has not much of a large airspace to defend looking at its width.

What if PAF thinks Erieye and the Chinese ZDK-03 would be enough for our requirements and can fulfill the role identified and assigned, so if that is the case, why would be a heavier, much more expensive, operationally expensive platform be inducted, when lesser expensive platforms can do the job.

The impression that I'm getting about the naysayers whilst reading previous posts is that their denial, negative and hostile attitude stems from a very different set of reasons. This debate isn't rational due to the biased arguments and nonsensical refusals put forward by the naysayers. The fact that the Pakistani airspace is a lot smaller to cover as compared to the Indian airspace should really suffice. Any sane being with a healthy and normal functioning brain would accept this reality instead of seeking refuge in denial.

 

[Super Falcon]

The primary role of the E-2C Hawkeye aircraft supplied by Northrop Grumman is as an all-weather airborne early-warning aircraft to the naval task force.

From an operating altitude above 25,000ft, the Hawkeye warns the naval task force of approaching air threats and provides threat identification and positional data to fighter aircraft such as F-14 Tomcats. Secondary roles include strike command and control, surveillance, guidance of search and rescue missions and as a relay to extend the range of communications.

"The E-2C Hawkeye surveillance aircraft supplied by Northrop Grumman is an all-weather airborne
early-warning aircraft."The E-2C became operational in 1973. Block II aircraft, with improved engine and radar, entered service in 1992, with final delivery in 2001. As well as the US Navy, E-2C aircraft are in service with the navies of Egypt, France, Israel, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan. Three ex-Israeli Air Force E-2C have been sold to the Mexican Navy, with the first two delivered in June 2004. Deliveries have totalled more than 180 for the USN and more than 30 for other nations. Six E-2C Hawkeye aircraft are deployed by the US Naval Reserve for drug interdiction and homeland security operations.

The aircraft is operated by a crew of five, with the pilot and co-pilot on the flight deck and the combat information centre officer, air control officer and radar operator stations located in the rear fuselage directly beneath the rotodome.

Carrier operations design
The fuselage is designed for carrier operations and is fitted with a nose-tow catapult attachment for accelerated carrier take-off, an A-frame arrester hook for engagement of the arresting gear and a tail bumper to withstand impact or scraping on the runway.

For storage in the hangar, the wings fold hydraulically to lie flat to the fuselage. The fuselage is of light metal construction, and parts of the tailplane are of composite structure in order to reduce radar signature.

From May 2004, US Navy Hawkeye 2000 aircraft are being fitted with two Hamilton Sundstrand NP2000 digitally controlled, eight-bladed propellers to replace mechanically controlled, four-bladed propellers. The new propellers provide less vibration and less noise. Initial carrier certification of the new propellers was carried out on USS John F Kennedy in November 2003.

Mission systems
The large 24ft diameter circular antenna radome above the rear fuselage gives the E-2C its distinctive profile. The radome houses the AN/APA-171 antenna supplied by Randtron Systems, which rotates at 5rpm to 6rpm.

"The large 24ft diameter circular antenna radome above the rear fuselage gives the E-2C its distinctive profile."The Lockheed Martin AN/APS-145 radar is capable of tracking more than 2,000 targets and controlling the interception of 40 hostile targets. One radar sweep covers six million cubic miles. The radar's total radiation aperture control antenna reduces sidelobes and is robust against electronic countermeasures. It is capable of detecting aircraft at ranges greater than 550km. The Lockheed Martin AN/UYQ-70 advanced display system and computer peripherals provide operators with multicolour displays, map overlays, zoom facilities and auxiliary data displays.

In August 2005, Northrop Grumman completed the E-2C mission computer replacement programme, with the provision of faster, more powerful and reliable computers.

Navigation and communications
A global positioning system and a Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) AN/ASN-92 CAINS (carrier aircraft inertial navigation system) are the main components of the aircraft's navigation suite. The aircraft is also equipped with the AN/ASN-50 heading and attitude reference system, an AN/ARA-50 UHF automatic direction finder from Rockwell Collins, an AN/ASW-25B automatic carrier landing system and a Honeywell AN/APN-171(V) radar altimeter.

The communications suite includes an AN/ARC-158 UHF data link, an AN/ARQ-34 HF datalink and a joint tactical information distribution system (JTIDS) which provides secure voice and data communications.

Engines
The E-2C was originally fitted with two Allison T56-A-425 turboprop engines, but since the introduction of E-2C group I variants, T56A-427 engines have been fitted. With the new engines, the E-2C can cruise on station for more than four hours, up to 200 miles from base.

"The Hawkeye 2000 made its first operational deployment in 2003 aboard USS Nimitz."Hawkeye 2000
The first of the Hawkeye 2000 (HE2K) standard aircraft, was delivered in October 2001. 24 aircraft are on order for the USN. The Hawkeye 2000 made its first operational deployment in 2003 aboard USS Nimitz (CVN 68) in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Northrop Grumman is also upgrading a number of USN aircraft to Hawkeye 2000 configuration.

One aircraft has been delivered to the French Navy for operation on the Charles de Gaulle carrier and two E-2Cs already delivered have been upgraded to the 2000 standard. In April 2007, France requested the foreign military sale (FMS) of an additional aircraft.

Two Hawkeye 2000 aircraft were delivered to Taiwan in 2004/2005, to join their fleet of four E-2Cs. The aircraft, designated E-2K, entered service in April 2006.

Egypt is upgrading its five E-2C Hawkeye to Hawkeye 2000 standard and has received one additional upgraded E-2C. The first upgraded aircraft was delivered in March 2003 and deliveries are to conclude in late 2008. Egypt requested two additional excess E-2C aircraft in October 2007.

The Japanese Air Self-Defence Force is also upgrading its 13 Hawkeye aircraft, the first was delivered in early 2005. In December 2007, the United Arab Emirates requested the sale of three upgraded E-2C aircraft.

Hawkeye 2000 features a Raytheon mission computer upgrade (MCU), Lockheed Martin advanced control indicator set (ACIS), cooperative engagement capability (CEC), satellite communications, new navigation and flight control systems. The MCU is based on open architecture commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) technology, with increased memory and faster processing.

The CEC consists of processor, data distribution system and antenna and will enable Hawkeye 2000 to perform real-time battle management, fusing and distributing information from sources such as satellite and shipborne radar.

E-2D Advanced Hawkeye
The next-generation, E-2D Advanced Hawkeye has a new radar, theatre missile defence capabilities, multisensor integration and a Northrop Grumman Navigation Systems tactical glass cockpit. Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems & Sensors has developed the AN/APY-9 solid-state, electronically steered UHF radar under the E-2C radar modernisation programme (RMP).

"E-2C Hawkeye became operational in 1973."Northrop Grumman supplies the transmitter, Raytheon the receiver, L-3 Communications Randtron the UHF antenna and BAE Systems CNIR the identification friend or foe (IFF) system. An in-flight refuelling capability will extend mission endurance to between eigth and nine hours.

The Advanced Hawkeye will replace all 75 USN E-2C aircraft. The aircraft began full system development and demonstration (SDD) in August 2003 and, in July 2007, Northrop Grumman was awarded a low-rate production contract for three aircraft for delivery in 2010. The E-2D was rolled out in May 2007 and made its maiden flight in August 2007. Operational assessment was completed in November 2008 followed by transfer to US Navy Patuxent River, Maryland for carrier testing and sea trials. Entry into service is scheduled for 2011



we heared that PN is serious about hawkeye what happened our navy put everything on pending what is the reason

 

[Super Falcon]

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[dbc]

That's just utter nonsense. You certainly have no idea what you're talking about. You don't seem to be familiar at all with Pakistani defence deals. Pakistan will have a sizeable fleet of AWACS/AEW&C in the near future. Erieye's are just the tip of the iceberg and will be complemented with Chinese alternatives. The initial numbers are very encouraging and will only increase if/when required. Pakistan has signed a multi-million dollar deal with the Chinese for additional AWACS. Get your facts correct please.

Welcome to the last 5 posts of a very long thread. We were discussing the need for more than the four Erieye's on order until Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman confirmed the acquistion of four more Chinese systems early this month...at which point the argument was pretty much won by me...

Get your facts correct please.

 

[illuminatus]

Welcome to the last 5 posts of a very long thread. We were discussing the need for more than the four Erieye's on order until Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman confirmed the acquistion of four more Chinese systems early this month...at which point the argument was pretty much won by me...

I've read/skimmed most of the posts and not only the last 5. Well, at that moment it was also quite clear that Pakistan was going to order more than just 4 Erieye's. The Chinese systems were always going to complement the Erieye's and we already knew that during the Musharraf era. You didn't win anything.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Welcome to the last 5 posts of a very long thread. We were discussing the need for more than the four Erieye's on order until Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman confirmed the acquistion of four more Chinese systems early this month...at which point the argument was pretty much won by me...

yes you defiantly won the trolling competition.

 

[Dazzler]

There is a wisdom behind Chinese AWE&C induction as we operate both Chinese as well as western systems. They will come with tech transfer and other goodies so you can jump as many times you want friend but we will have the last laugh.

 

[wangrong]

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