Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[razgriz19]

People keep on saying that 1 wss written off but did anyone has a proof to back up his statement secondly there wss no smoke seen after terrorist attack that an aircraft is on fire. Only small puffs here and there.

Do you know what this is?
Fire Suppression, it goes off when it detects any heat signature. This could be one of the reasons why there wasn't any smoke coming out of the hangar!

People keep on saying that 1 wss written off but did anyone has a proof to back up his statement secondly there wss no smoke seen after terrorist attack that an aircraft is on fire. Only small puffs here and there.

Do you know what this is?
Fire Suppression, it goes off when it detects any heat signature. This could be one of the reasons why there wasn't any smoke coming out of the hangar!

Sir what are you trying to show? There's not a single pic in the above mentioned links which is showing a SAAB 2000 being destroyed. Only 1 pic shows an aircraft burning but that was from PNS Mehran base Attack not Kamra's incident.
PS i do think that one SAAB Erieye got completely destroyed but no concrete (digital) evidence is available of its destruction. Although some Minister statement confirmed about the destruction of 1 SAAB back then. I think 4 SAAB are operational now 3 AWACS and 1 Transport version

Do you have pictures of other 3 Saabs Eriye?
Post them now if they are operational like you said thy are

 

[Bratva]

People keep on saying that 1 wss written off but did anyone has a proof to back up his statement secondly there wss no smoke seen after terrorist attack that an aircraft is on fire. Only small puffs here and there.

Secretary defense and Undersecretary defense briefing in parliament

Bilal Khan.
May I know on what basis you are posting somethkng totally contrary to the information which has officially been provided. We dont quite know what is your background and what you have been upto till now. As such and please dont assume this to be disrespectful I would like to know your sources/experience before we understand why youare saying so.
Awaiting a response

He is making these assertions based on official information. One damaged, that nose cone AWAC and one was completely destroyed. Again disclosed in parliament by secretary and undersecretary of defense

 

[araz]

Secretary defense and Undersecretary defense briefing in parliament



He is making these assertions based on official information. One damaged, that nose cone AWAC and one was completely destroyed. Again disclosed in parliament by secretary and undersecretary of defense

I have been made to understand that the plane written off was the very one that had the nose cone damage. If was a shrapnel induced damage that went ghrough the nose co e causing the initial statement. Later on the matter on even closer assessment was found to be more serious with damage to the bulkhead and also the radar system . However like everyone else I remain confused as to what the actual picture is and hence my question to probe the gentleman who has so far kept very much to himself. I want to assess whether his news comes from reliable sources and therefore we need to pay more heed to it or is he just guesstimating just like everyone else in ahich case one can hold on to ones opinion. There you have all of my cards on the table.
Araz

 

[Bratva]

I have been made to understand that the plane written off was the very one that had the nose cone damage. If was a shrapnel induced damage that went ghrough the nose co e causing the initial statement. Later on the matter on even closer assessment was found to be more serious with damage to the bulkhead and also the radar system . However like everyone else I remain confused as to what the actual picture is and hence my question to probe the gentleman who has so far kept very much to himself. I want to assess whether his news comes from reliable sources and therefore we need to pay more heed to it or is he just guesstimating just like everyone else in ahich case one can hold on to ones opinion. There you have all of my cards on the table.
Araz

Hope these clear your doubts about the destruction of one SAAB awac

ISLAMABAD: The February 6 admission by senior officials of the defence ministry that a Saab-2000 aircraft fitted with an Airborne Early Warning & Control System (AWACS) was totally destroyed in the August 15, 2012 terror attack on the Kamra airbase, implies that the concerned authorities had been keeping the tax payers in the dark for the past six months by claiming that it was only the nose cone of the precious aircraft which had been partially damaged and that it would be repaired by the manufacturers in Sweden.



The fact that the Kamra airbase raiders had completely destroyed one of the four Saab-2000 AWACS planes was made public for the first time by Additional Secretary Defence Rear Admiral Farrokh Ahmad during a meeting of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Defence on February 6, six months after the Minhas airbase at Kamra was attacked by the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan.

Tax-payers kept in the dark about loss of plane worth $250m - thenews.com.pk

 

[araz]

Hope these clear your doubts about the destruction of one SAAB awac

ISLAMABAD: The February 6 admission by senior officials of the defence ministry that a Saab-2000 aircraft fitted with an Airborne Early Warning & Control System (AWACS) was totally destroyed in the August 15, 2012 terror attack on the Kamra airbase, implies that the concerned authorities had been keeping the tax payers in the dark for the past six months by claiming that it was only the nose cone of the precious aircraft which had been partially damaged and that it would be repaired by the manufacturers in Sweden.



The fact that the Kamra airbase raiders had completely destroyed one of the four Saab-2000 AWACS planes was made public for the first time by Additional Secretary Defence Rear Admiral Farrokh Ahmad during a meeting of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Defence on February 6, six months after the Minhas airbase at Kamra was attacked by the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan.

Tax-payers kept in the dark about loss of plane worth $250m - thenews.com.pk

This I agree with and it is in keeping with what I have said. The damage to the bulkhead was deemed unrepairable by Saab and a US company on account of the cost. This is the same issue which happens to older cars jn UK( giving a very crude example). Sometimes the repair is more than the car is worth. However it still does not say that 3 planes were destroyed. One loss was acknowledged and if that is the case the plane has now been repaired. This has been the narrative on this forum and from people like Usman Shabbir and Hkhan. I have not heard the 1 destroyed and 2 damaged news from anyone reliable in Pakistan. As I said we need to authenticate an opinion ventured and therefore I asked.

 

[ice_man]

This I agree with and it is jn keeping with what I have said. The damage t the bulkhead was deemed unrepairable by Saab and a US company on account of the cost. This is the same issue which happens to older cars jn UK( giving a very crude example). Sometimes the repair is more than the cat is worth. However it still does not say that 3 planes were destroyed. One loss was acknowledged and if that is the case the plane had now been repaired. This has been the narrative on this forum and from people like Usman Shabbir and Hkhan. I have not heard the 1 destroyed and 2 damaged news from anyone in Pakistan. As I said we need to authenticate an opinion ventured and therefore I asked.

and yet picture of just NUMBER 040 keeps appearing and no other. it is strange but in our country no one is accountable to the tax payer.

 

[araz]

and yet picture of just NUMBER 040 keeps appearing and no other. it is strange but in our country no one is accountable to the tax payer.

Like everyone else i am just trying to ascertain the true picture. If you have proof contrary to the official assertions then present it. Iam just trying to clear the air with regards to this confusion.
Araz

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Like everyone else i am just trying to ascertain the true picture. If you have proof contrary to the official assertions then present it. Iam just trying to clear the air with regards to this confusion.
Araz

"Proof" here is the same as "introduction" here. For some one us in service to share data, we can neither give proof not introduce ourselves.

 

[araz]

"Proof" here is the same as "introduction" here. For some one us in service to share data, we can neither give proof not introduce ourselves.

Then at least have the designation of military professional. This is not the first time a Ex PA/PAF official is oming to the forum. We have had the pleasure of the company of fairly senior officers from PAF(Air commodore level) and others from other branches. I am happy to understand your need for privacy but you can still converse with someone like icarus or fatman 17 who are ex servicemen or the mods like Irfan baluch/ oscar /slav defence and have your title changed. It is simply a reflection of the fact that if you say something to the contrary it should be believed on the basis of the work and experience that you have. Since you have chosen to share an opinion contrary to commonly held belief you should also have the credentials to back it up.
Araz

 

[ice_man]

"Proof" here is the same as "introduction" here. For some one us in service to share data, we can neither give proof not introduce ourselves.

i will believe you but you must at least have picture of 4 AWACs parked not only number 040 around.

This is not a picture of Kahuta. so please spare me the nonsense till then my boy.

 

[roseline]

Ofcourse, there's no need to ask for that. As we have talked alot, that Pakistan has already signed a deal with Sweden to acquire Eireye system. Incase some how, if that deal doesnt go through then we have China to provide AWACS system.

I would like to go for more details on this issue later......

Really

 

[Lightning Soul]

Do you have pictures of other 3 Saabs Eriye?
Post them now if they are operational like you said thy are

No I don't have any pictures. I've just inferred from what has been told by different defense ministry and military officials. Do you have any concrete proof where you believe that more than 1 SAAB got destroyed?
Even there is no evidence about the 1 which is assumed to be destroyed (which i also believe it too)
But then PAF would've definitely converted the transport version into AWACS too or placed an order for the replacement of the lost SAAB Erieyes but that also didn't happen!

 

[Thorough Pro]

this is a pic from the internet not PAF base kamra

Do you know what this is?
Fire Suppression, it goes off when it detects any heat signature. This could be one of the reasons why there wasn't any smoke coming out of the hangar!

 

[Asli Lahori1]

There were news in Pakistani news papers that PAF engineers repaired an Air Craft saving $15 million. Which Air Craft was that?

 

[Path-Finder]

There were news in Pakistani news papers that PAF engineers repaired an Air Craft saving $15 million. Which Air Craft was that?

SAAB Erieye