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Pakistan's ad in Wall Street Journal on 9/11

WTF !!!

Why should the world's 7 billion be grateful to a country that is only cleaning its OWN mess. ?

I am honestly amazed at the lengths to which the Pakistanis play the victim hood card. :eek:

not 7bn it should be 5.8bn as they have not done much in dismantelling terrorist organisations attacking india
 
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not 7bn it should be 5.8bn as they have not done much in dismantelling terrorist organisations attacking india

how many more 26/11 you have? and why?- what you think we are not willing now?-
 
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how many more 26/11 you have? and why?- what you think we are not willing now?-

26/11 is not a yard stick to measure terrorism,there are other thins like infiltration,support to leaders of terrorist org in pakistan, etc
 
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As I said in another forum... The person who conceived this plan of advertisement in WSJ, was either an idiot as far as mass communication goes, or was intentionally out to harm Pakistan's public image in the US. Its like sending an invite for a prayer meeting for Nazi Holocaust victims with a photo of Hitler on the envelope.
 
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As I said in another forum... The person who conceived this plan of advertisement in WSJ, was either an idiot as far as mass communication goes, or was intentionally out to harm Pakistan's public image in the US. Its like sending an invite for a prayer meeting for Nazi Holocaust victims with a photo of Hitler on the envelope.

Ah. the comparisons to Hitler and Holocaust...

And people still wonder whether hysteria has overtaken rationality in this whole debate.
 
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And it is the US that pays no heed to occasion or time while smearing Pakistan and ignoring its many magnitudes more casualties ..

And a tasteless ad of the stats of WOT is supposed to play tit for tat is it?
Again...It is Pakistan which is vying for US attention here...not the other way around...
So sensitivity towards the timing with regards to the audience is important....simply speaking a bad PR practice
You can feel free to disagree

The intent was not to 'honor Pakistanis killed in terrorism through seeking US approval', but to try and argue Pakistan's case in the US in the face of fierce US Establishment and media propaganda against Pakistan.

Which part of the ad is supposed to "argue the case"? As far as the American public is concerned, this will be displayed as a case of "You reap what you sow"..
Nowhere does the message of the ad speak to the Americans to say that Pakistan and America are on the same side....which is the doubt Americans have about their relations with Pakistan

The bit about the "Foiled assasination attempts" and the "68 Billion losses" is simply laughable...
Again...as I stated in an earlier post...The selection of certain stats displayed...wording of the ad itself....the size of the copy and the timing make this a campaign that will serve the exact opposite of its intended purpose...


You mean the constant statements, articles and TV shows 'condemning terrorism', honoring martyred soldiers etc. are nothing compared to a 'half page advert for one day on page 10 of a newspaper'?

And how many of these people living in your northern areas watch tv, read the english or urdu dailies?
Are you seriously claiming that the PR efforts at home are sufficient to warrant a campaign at the worst possible time aimed at the American public?

Many of those 'initiatives' have been discussed in this forum - perhaps you should peek out of that hole of 'anti-Pakistaniat' you have stuck your head in to realize this ...

If you could be kind enough to point me in the direction....my "anti Pakistaniat" does not allow my searching habits to venture outside of my core interests...
 
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I think it was the right move. Opportunistic may be, but sometimes you need to remind people that WE have done this for YOU. YOU need to stop being a thankless twat and show some appreciation.
 
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I think it was the right move. Opportunistic may be, but sometimes you need to remind people that WE have done this for YOU. YOU need to stop being a thankless twat and show some appreciation.

All that may be fine AA, but the timing sucked like a 10 year old on a candy lollipop..
 
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Pakistan WSJ Ad Unlikely to Change Narrative

By Tom Wright

Pakistan has taken out a half-page advertisement in The Wall Street Journal to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks in an attempt to shift what Islamabad feels is an anti-Pakistan narrative in the American media.

“Which country can do more for your peace?” the ad asks, sitting below a story on page A10 of the U.S. Journal’s Saturday/Sunday edition titled “When the Towers Came Down.”

“Since 2001 a nation of 180 million has been fighting for the future of world’s 7 billion!” it continues.”Can any other country do so? Only Pakistan…Promising peace to the world.”

Pakistani army and civilian officials complain that in the U.S. their country is often portrayed in the media and by members of Congress as a double-dealing ally that takes billions of dollars in U.S. aid but secretly helps the Taliban kill U.S. soldiers.

Pakistan’s leaders have been publicly trying to promote a competing narrative, but with almost no success.

In their telling, Pakistan did foster Islamist militant groups, first to fight Soviet troops in Afghanistan and then Indian soldiers in Kashmir. Pakistan military and civilian officials point out the U.S. was all for the Mujahideen war against Moscow in the 1980s. But in the past decade, Pakistan’s army has severed its links with militants, who have unleashed a bloody war against Pakistan’s army and government, according to Islamabad’s narrative.

Pakistani officials regularly tell this version of events in public speechs and to visiting U.S. officials and journalists. The military has even made a local TV drama featuring real soldiers to publicize its sacrifices in the war against militants.

The advert in the Journal seeks to give the message to a wider audience.

To underline its point, the ad carries a picture of Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan’s former prime minister who was assassinated by Islamist militants in 2007, next to the slogan, “The promise of our martyrs lives on…”

The ad cites a series of statistics. Almost 22,000 Pakistani civilians have died or been seriously injured in the fight against terrorism, the ad said. The army has lost almost 3,000 soldiers. More than 3.5 million people have been displaced by the fighting and the damage to the economy over the past decade is estimated at $68 billion, it added.

People will quibble with these statistics from a country where reporters often find it difficult to get basic data.

It was not clear whether the ad was carried in other U.S. publications. Pakistan’s government also tried to place it in the New York Times. The Times asked for “more clarity in the ad about who was placing it,” according to a spokeswoman for the newspaper. The Times did not hear back from the government and so has not yet run the ad, she said.

The ad as printed in the Journal carries a line at the bottom in small font saying “Government of Pakistan” next to a web address for the government. A spokeswoman for the Journal declined to comment.

Will the advertisement be effective in shifting the narrative? It’s unlikely.

The points raised are all fair enough. Pakistan has been hammered by suicide bombings by Islamist militants against civilian and army targets. It’s perhaps fair to say that many in the U.S. have failed to recognize the changes in Pakistan, especially in the past few years, that have led to its domestic war against militancy.

Still, many in the U.S. and elsewhere are likely to shrug their shoulders. In the U.S. and India, where Pakistani-based militants are viewed as a daily threat to security, many politicians, analysts and ordinary citizens blame Pakistan for failing to stop the export of terrorism and being selective in which Islamist militant groups they go after.

Pakistan has waged a war against homegrown Pakistan Taliban militants for the past three years, suffering large casualties. But U.S. defense officials say publicly they are concerned that the country continues to protect Afghan Taliban fighters that don’t attack inside Pakistan. It’s these fighters who use Pakistan soil as a base from which to launch attacks on U.S. forces in Afghanistan, they say.

Some U.S. officials say they believe Pakistan’s argument that it’s too stretched fighting the Pakistan Taliban to open new fronts in its war against militants. But many members of Congress and U.S. defense officials say Islamabad wants to keep ties strong with the Afghan Taliban so it can influence politics over the border once the U.S. pulls out its troops by 2014.

India blames Pakistan for failing to crack down on Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant group which carried out the attacks on Mumbai in 2008, killing over 160 people, and has hit Indian targets in Afghanistan. LET has not carried out any attacks against the Pakistan state.

Pakistan WSJ Ad Unlikely to Change Narrative - India Real Time - WSJ
 
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And instead of paying respects to the 30,000 killed in terrorist related violence in Pakistan, the US government and media smeared Pakistan with the same old propaganda ...



Pakistan and Pakistanis first, please -- There is a thread on the current affairs board - "DEFENDING Militancy" --- When Pakistanis themselves refuse to honor the death of innocents at the hands of Islamist insurgents, When Pakistanis themselves assert that the Islamist insurgent is the moral equal of the state and that the Islamist insurgent has a RIGHT to a platform for his ideas, and has a right for the protection of those ideas ----- Well, Pakistani intellectuals who further such ideas will have lost not just the thinking majority of Pakistanis but also majorities around the world -- After all what is that the Pakistan government sought to inform or remind the US and world readership of? That Pakistanis cannot tell the good guys from the bad guys? That majorities in Pakistan in media and in government see US as part of the problem and not the solution? That Pakistan government are cynical enough to remind the world that 35000 Pakistanis killed is but a drop in the ocean compared to who many more are willing to be sacrificed to safeguard US lives ($$)?


If Pakistanis could first work out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are and What makes them the good guys and bad guys and find that they see these good guys and bad guys, pretty much in the same intellectual, moral, ethical light, then of course there will not be any need for adverts and such.

But of course, it all begins with Pakistan and Pakistanis -- so long as the world can see daily that Pakistanis choose to be more comfortable being willfully ignorant, and in strong disagreement with who the bad guys and especially WHY the bad guys are the Bad guys, the world will only pay lip service to these Pakistani deaths, in equally cynical terms.




On topic, aren't all these 'flak' articles sourced to the PTI, and do they refer to anything other than comments on a assinine anti-Pakistan blog crawling with anti-Pakistan commentators, i.e the LWJ/Threat Matrix?

A segment of opinion has made it de rigeur to imagine that pointing at India or Indian press as somehow the same as suggesting the printing of lies -- How does this help anybody?

Friends, It all begins with Pakistan - not the US not India, not anybody else -- Who are the good guys, who are the bad guys, what makes the good guys "good" and what makes the bad guys "bad"? and do overwhelming majorities of Pakistanis agree with this? Get this right and forget about US and India and the martians --- LEAD and the world will follow!!!
 
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there is no denying on Pakistan fighting terrorists or the the fact Pakistan is the biggest victim of terrorism .....:pakistan: but this"180 million has been fighting for the future of worlds 7 billion " is a bit over exaggerated:agree: ...no no, not just over exaggerated but total unadulterated horsecrap.....:tup:
 
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Some peoples just get jelous..........and start burining from inside when they see Pakistan's name in the world...........their hated has no boundries. :flame: :flame:
 
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beside being in poor taste , this article actually would in my opinion damage the impression of Pakistan in general . its surprising how the leaders in your country seem to make such basic mistakes. its like a diplomatic hara kiri .
 
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lol...No offence meant...


OK - you should be given the opportunity to take it down -- otherwise an opportunity to allow you to reconsider abusing your privileges, may be afforded you
 
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Muse,

I am sure AM will reply in time, but just this...

That majorities in Pakistan in media and in government see US as part of the problem and not the solution?

Pakistanis are smart enough to know that the US is in Afghanistan for American interests, not Pakistani interests. This begs the question: what are American interest? Are they simply limited to GWOT, as they claim, or is there a bigger game afoot?

Certainly, to the extent of fighting terrorism, they will find support from most Pakistanis. However, most people believe there is more than meets the eye. Now people can dismiss it all as conspiracy theories or paranoia but, given other evidence of America's obsession with this region, that's a different debate.

A segment of opinion has made it de rigeur to imagine that pointing at India or Indian press as somehow the same as suggesting the printing of lies -- How does this help anybody?

It's not that the Indian media prints lies, but that they actively promote anti-Pakistan propaganda. So that, even a bunch of predictable comments on a rabidly anti-Pakistan blog get elevated to the status of front page news.
 
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