Pakistan's Actual status : Why Khan was really kicked out and their backers

[PradoTLC]

You are both right and wrong, if I may put forward my views. Its not my place to comment on Pakistan's internal issues, still -- given the public thread:

Firstly I don't think, Pakistan Army is working against Pakistan even now. Why do I say this?

For whatever reasons, Pakistan chose a direction for itself years back. Strategic Autonomy isn't a part of its lexicon, which means it has to tie itself to someone else's fortunes. For many decades it was US and Arabs, with some sort of relation with China (which was chosen clearly because, they had issues with India). Its kind of musical chairs, as to who is the top dog for this tie up for Pakistan (as to their fortune). Am not for one moment trying to mock the policy, am just stating what it is. Every country choses its options, and for long time it paid off as well for Pakistan. Pakistan is the only country to get money and weapons from West, and tacit support of China.

However the one aspect that Pakistan's powers be didn't work on, is its economy (other than governance system). Temporary patches have been applied, to problems that came about due to deep structural issues. These had to blow up at some point, and everyone knows that money makes the world go around.

So when a country whose policy is to tie up their fortunes to few outsiders, gets a leader who says am gonna go my way, its not going to sit well with these outsiders right? The Army has averted a total disaster in a way, by creating internal chaos frankly.

WSK himself said that, even if Munir wanted to save IK he couldn't. I think its in this same Vlog if am not wrong, and that the powers be in Pakistan and those who they heed to from outside had decided on IK's fate long back before May 9.

You or others, who criticize them for May 9 and downfall of IK feel they do now. Am sure there were other Pakistanis, who felt this way when the past popular leaders were ousted (who they supported at that point of time in history).

So it doesn't matter if its Bajwa/Munir or someone else, the writing was on the wall. IK had to just follow the script, but he didn't and paid the price.

Success has many fathers, and failure has none. If Army continued its streak of keeping Pakistan well economically (by whatever means), frankly no one would have cared about IK's ouster. Economic downturn/Security issues with Taliban and TTP/Natural calamities when combined with political crisis, is what is making so much noise. Honestly speaking, if people had food shelter, road and cheap electricity this kind of crisis would never have happened.

Social media and too much information is the spice to this chaos.

In the end of the day the litmus test is always the economy..

The very fact the army put $ dar shows either they were incompetent or had sinster intent from get go …

For a variety of reasons IK remains extremely popular and the army and PDM really has no takers for their narrative

Nawaz rally despite all the hype has proven he really has no support

there is theory. there is practicality. Expanding relations with Turkey is fine. It cannot be at the point of annoying powers to be in Saudi Arabia.

Tell us how much of $20 billion investment happened

Saudi Arabia Is Investing $20 Billion in Pakistan. Here's What It's Getting in Return

Islamabad honored the Saudi crown prince's visit with a public holiday, a gold-plated gun and the country's highest civilian award

time.com

All the PR about investment by Imran Khan's supporters is a cover for the begging bowl trips

Abstract analysis to suit your story line.. this is more lame than the army’s narrative

 

[Signalian]

a basic fault of him was he assumed (wrongly) the army was working in the nation's interest..

Sure. The same way he was brought into power and he accepted.

 

[PradoTLC]

Sure. The same way he was brought into power and he accepted.

If you mean like how nawaz was brought in ? Ie massive rigging 1990s ?

No

There is no comparison between nawaz and khan .. even though you people love to do that.

In fact historically army always sought to handy cap khan.. I know for a fact during Musharraf times khan won eleven seats and the army rigged so he got only one.

 

[Mav3rick]

Free madical insurance
Dealing with pandemic best in world
Win case in un about Islamic phobic
One education system
University near jhelim
27 feb fight for his country
6 percent gdb after pandemic when wold was fucked
Free food and beds for poor people in big cities
Two oic meetings
Fighting for kasmir when bajwa was selling it
Bought j10 fighter jets when world was facing trouble in economy after covid
Bring reforms in agriculture

And the fairies, don't forget the fairies and the castles!!

 

[Cash GK]

And the fairies, don't forget the fairies and the castles!!

You dickhead.. bring me real argument

 

[Mav3rick]

You dickhead.. bring me real argument

Stop bringing your father in our discussion.

And if you are serious on the discussion, be civil and be sensible.

 

[Cash GK]

Stop bringing your father in our discussion.

And if you are serious on the discussion, be civil and be sensible.

People like you must be treated like that. So you are not product of a man dick right?

 

[PradoTLC]

And the fairies, don't forget the fairies and the castles!!

like yellow scam scheme?.. sorry cab?

 

[Mav3rick]

like yellow scam scheme?.. sorry cab?

That was a bad one, the idea was quite good but either the intention was not right or the execution was severely flawed (most likely the intention was not right). Almost all the cabs ended up with private citizens who had no intention of driving cabs but rather to use the vehicles for personal use and that too without paying the remaining monthly installments (after receiving the vehicles on down payments).

But subsequent Governments should have gone after the defaulters for recovery of loans as well as penalties. Nobody actually bothered.

 

[PradoTLC]

That was a bad one, the idea was quite good but either the intention was not right or the execution was severely flawed (most likely the intention was not right). Almost all the cabs ended up with private citizens who had no intention of driving cabs but rather to use the vehicles for personal use and that too without paying the remaining monthly installments (after receiving the vehicles on down payments).

But subsequent Governments should have gone after the defaulters for recovery of loans as well as penalties. Nobody actually bothered.

it was scam like every thing Nawj does..

any planner/ civill servant officer knows such a scheme has to have conditions such only local assembly cars for example.. we imported $500M of imported cars because of it

 

[Enigma SIG]

Pakistan can be put on FATF black list, sanctioned, and you'd crumble into civil war within a few months to a year due to economic collapse. Living like North Korea is what the current version of "independent Pakistan" would look like, not like China.

You're oversimplifying it by a large margin. America can't afford a "North Korea" Pakistan with immediate interests in the region. Pakistan could've navigated the pressure. Issues like FATF, sanctions sure, but North Korea LMAO no.

 

[nahtanbob]

You're oversimplifying it by a large margin. America can't afford a "North Korea" Pakistan with immediate interests in the region. Pakistan could've navigated the pressure. Issues like FATF, sanctions sure, but North Korea LMAO no.

There is nothing Pakistan can do. Case in point - no one from USA to China to Saudi Arabia has given Pakistan any free money. the best is deferral of interest on loans.

 

[TNT]

This wont happen anytime soon because Pakistani ppl are mostly genetic slaves and they actually dont mind being slaves if they can get some food and medicine. These ppl have been british slaves for 2 centuries and hardly rose up against them, before brits they were slaves of mughal and before that slaves of afghans. So this slave mentality passes on genetically and they are ok with it. Yes a minority will always want freedom but that doesn't matter and it will take decades and decades to educate and install some ghairat, but even then Pakistanis might happily embrace slavery of some entity again.

 

[Olympus81]

This wont happen anytime soon because Pakistani ppl are mostly genetic slaves and they actually dont mind being slaves if they can get some food and medicine. These ppl have been british slaves for 2 centuries and hardly rose up against them, before brits they were slaves of mughal and before that slaves of afghans. So this slave mentality passes on genetically and they are ok with it. Yes a minority will always want freedom but that doesn't matter and it will take decades and decades to educate and install some ghairat, but even then Pakistanis might happily embrace slavery of some entity again.

If one goes by history, the majority of current Pakistan geography, has been mostly subservient to Greeks, Persians, Afghans, Arabs, Mughals, British empires in the past.

Not sure why, but that’s a fact.

 

[teX]

This is a must watch for Pakistan loving people ... WSK revealed perhaps more than he should

Very good one.

I think implicitly many people know about it. Of course when 1 plus 1 doesn’t make it to 2, then people raise their eyebrows, some keep investigating and others don’t bcz they don’t want to come out of their comfort.

Many people became hard believers like me when army elite kicked out ik (since no power wants Pakistan to take independent decisions). We are client - client state.

The sooner we wake up the better for the country in the long term.