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Pakistanis Want Madrasa Reform

Editorial: Getting madrassa reform wrong

A survey funded by the Washington-based US Institute of Peace (USIP) says 64 percent of Pakistanis who were questioned wanted a reform of the madrassa system by the government. At the same time, however, the respondents preferred an “Islamic state” even as they thought that Al Qaeda was a “critical” (41 percent) or “important” threat (21 percent), thus making up a two-thirds majority who fear Al Qaeda. A similar majority also expressed the same hostile opinion about the Taliban “activity” in Pakistan even as it approved it against American troops in Afghanistan. The sample comprised 907 individuals examined in 19 cities.

If you want confusion, there is more. Sixty percent wanted Sharia and thought that Pakistan was not run on Islamic principles and gave the state a poor four out of ten marks on this point. Yet when Talibanisation wants to deliver “real Islam”, over 60 percent want the state to prevent it from spreading across the country. One can therefore say that the people have no alternative to Islamic government in their mind and will hopelessly judge all governance against a utopia they have in their imagination. But one thing is proved by the survey and that is they don’t want the Islam spread by the madrassas and they don’t want the version being enforced under duress by the Taliban and their patron, Al Qaeda.

The verdict against the madrassa is clear enough. Yet “expert” opinion on the subject is divided in Pakistan and abroad, even at the level of the United Nations. Seminaries examined by experts concluded there was no jihadi seduction practised by them. The basis of this conclusion was the textbooks read there and depositions made by the vested madrassa administrations. Clearly this was an unsatisfactory method. Then the government promised reform but failed to carry it out because it did believe in the correction, constantly saying there were “good” madrassas too and they were in a majority. The madrassas were registered and that was that, they said. But the violence never stopped and the seminarians came out again and again to defend their teachers, as in the case of Lal Masjid in Islamabad.

The confusion stems from the false separation everyone makes between the seminary and the mosque. The fact is that a mosque is a branch of the madrassa where its imam has been educated. Not finding normal employment, a madrassa graduate builds his own mosque and is helped by his institution, and this help is supplemented by the jihadi organisation affiliated with the madrassa through its leader. An Islamabad psychiatrist who has produced a competent study based on the “Afghanistan returnee” prisoners after 2001 has found that most recruits were engaged from the mosques and knew nothing about any madrassa. Yet the “minders” who hooked them for jihad belonged to the community of madrassa graduates that have led Pakistan’s covert war through jihadi militias.

Religious radicalisation in Pakistan has occurred through madrassas generously funded by the Arab governments and private individuals from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states. This has happened since 1980 when the Arabs of the Gulf began fearing the rise of Revolutionary Iran. The centre from where this radicalisation radiated across the globe was the university system in Saudi Arabia presided over by radical Wahhabi clerics who propounded a faith akin to what Al Qaeda and the Taliban are spreading in Pakistan these days. Youth from Pakistani madrassas were taken to Saudi Arabia and trained in a new tough faith. In Karachi, the big Deobandi seminaries were plied with funds and persuaded to change their syllabi.

Pakistan provided the most important ingredient to this radicalisation. It enlisted the madrassa-based jihadi militias to achieve its strategic objectives in Afghanistan and Kashmir. That led to the proliferation of lethal weapons and the creation of centres of power in the country other than the state. State employees who handled these outfits were “reverse-indoctrinated” because of the personal empowerment their charges bestowed on them. So today the state is more vulnerable than the madrassa. President Musharraf has many failures to his name, but his biggest failure was his inability to rein in the madrassas after having used them. The chief of the militia that tried to kill him twice was the favourite student of a madrassa in Karachi which Islamabad kept pampering. He is still around as are some leaders of other Saudi-supported militia-madrassas.

The reform of the madrassa is not possible because there are no texts to abrogate in them. But madrassa can be made less attractive for our youth if the state can gear up to producing alternative places of learning. However, that would be useless unless the writ of the state is established in a large part of the country and away from the big cities of the “normal” areas. Today, the madrassa is wining and the state is losing because of radical Islam’s power to intimidate. Maulana Fazlullah’s mushroom growth of madrassas in Swat was backed by coercion. Now that he is gone the people wish to return to their tourism-based economy. But will the state hold on to Swat? Will it clean up the madrassas in Swat now that it has the opportunity?

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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You can twist this survey to suit your own purpose..its either a survey that concludes that pakistani wants madrassa Reform or a survey that says that the pakistanis wants an Islamic democracy.
 
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So? What is Islamic democracy, and how will it be put to effect so that it satisfies every version of Islam for each Pakistani. Obviously it's not been thought through.


I think an Islamic democracy has less to do with "satisfing every version of Islam for each Pakistani" and more to do with bringing a more just and equal society.
 
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I think this is a good finding madrassahs are in high need of reform we need to stop them teaching the taliban's version of islam .If majority don't like it then we can start chaing it.
 
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If I remember correctly, when President Musharraf insisted on madrassas registering themselves, they agreed to registering but not ready to divulge the source of funding.

It is well known that Saudi Arabia is funding madrassas all over the world, including Pakistan.

If the Saudis are funding, then obviously they would want their money's worth and that is by spreading the official religion of Saudi Arabia i.e. Sunni Islam of the Wahhabi or Salafi variety.

The Salafis are purists and hence very strict in following the Quaran, which in other words, could be fundamentalist strain of Islam. Therefore, it would be very difficult to prevent this strain of Islam from the teaching in the madrassas, sponsored by Saudis.

Therefore, monitoring is essential, but then it might dry up Saudi funds.

Catch 22.
 
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If I remember correctly, when President Musharraf insisted on madrassas registering themselves, they agreed to registering but not ready to divulge the source of funding.

It is well known that Saudi Arabia is funding madrassas all over the world, including Pakistan.

If the Saudis are funding, then obviously they would want their money's worth and that is by spreading the official religion of Saudi Arabia i.e. Sunni Islam of the Wahhabi or Salafi variety.

The Salafis are purists and hence very strict in following the Quaran, which in other words, could be fundamentalist strain of Islam. Therefore, it would be very difficult to prevent this strain of Islam from the teaching in the madrassas, sponsored by Saudis.

Therefore, monitoring is essential, but then it might dry up Saudi funds.

Catch 22.

here we go the favourit pass time by Mr Salim Sir Ray

Now guys ready for getting his anti-Saudi Arabia posts mostly woven through using statement on Whabiism and Salafiism.

Sir plzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
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here we go the favourit pass time by Mr Salim Sir Ray

Now guys ready for getting his anti-Saudi Arabia posts mostly woven through using statement on Whabiism and Salafiism.

Sir plzzzzzzzzzzzz
Actually it would be far more useful to address Salim's point which like it or not happens to be valid.

Saudi Arabia does in fact finance and support a siginificant number of Madrassas in Pakistan. It is unlikely that they will be interested in funding religious "education" that isn't theirs (Salafism-Wahibbism).
 
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You can twist this survey to suit your own purpose..its either a survey that concludes that pakistani wants madrassa Reform or a survey that says that the pakistanis wants an Islamic democracy.

I don't think your analysis is apt - it comes down again to what I said earlier, that when Pakistanis say they want a "Islamic Democracy" or a "Shariah Govt," it does not mean that they want a "Saudi/Iranian/Taliban" style government. You were on the right track when you suggested that what is desired is a "just and equal" society.

The opinions on Madrassa reform show that Pakistanis are not comfortable with the perceived "intolerance" and unidimensional curriculum taught in Madrassa's, and hence they are in favor of reform, and this complements my argument that their vision of an "Islamic Democracy" is not an obscurantist one.

Even when advocating for "Shariah Law", Pakistanis do not really care for the existing examples of its implementation. Justice and equality is what they are looking for, not forced prayer, beards, Burqas and smashed TV's. So I would argue that there is no contradiction here, and no twisting of the survey is required.

I thought Energon gave a good explanation of the undercurrents in a deprived society that lead to the adoption of such "Utopian dreams".

IMO Sharia has become a symbolic 'safety zone' for many Muslims who feel disenfranchised by a global order that is primarily western in nature. The thought process seems to be that in order to regain the dominant identity, reclaim the glory of the past and make up for losses (social and military) incurred in modern history Muslims have to immerse themselves into an Islamic system that will put them on the path to obtaining all these objectives. Although I can understand why people feel this way, it seems to be an unfeasible venture based on faulty reasoning.

Though here too I would suggest that the "Islamic System" desired is not an easily definable one, and should not be automatically assumed to be the Western Stereotype. I do agree that whatever the intent it is unfeasible because of reasons I mentioned a while back.
 
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I don't think your analysis is apt - it comes down again to what I said earlier, that when Pakistanis say they want a "Islamic Democracy" or a "Shariah Govt," it does not mean that they want a "Saudi/Iranian/Taliban" style government. You were on the right track when you suggested that what is desired is a "just and equal" society.

If I am not wrong , what you mean here , is that it will be selective in choosing and implementing shariah .. which is not possible .. because then it will be the struggle for power .. who shall choose which law to implement . and this will be decided by who holds the power .
Why cant Law be based on golden rules of ethics ..?
 
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Actually it would be far more useful to address Salim's point which like it or not happens to be valid.

Saudi Arabia does in fact finance and support a siginificant number of Madrassas in Pakistan. It is unlikely that they will be interested in funding religious "education" that isn't theirs (Salafism-Wahibbism).

Sorry Energone light was gone so was my long long post so will reply 2mrw.

And indeed Ener there is no denying that Saudi Arabia did and does funds most of these but
its also a fact no matter how much they want its not possible to carry their views totally. will eleborate 2mrw

going home
 
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If I am not wrong , what you mean here , is that it will be selective in choosing and implementing shariah .. which is not possible .. because then it will be the struggle for power .. who shall choose which law to implement . and this will be decided by who holds the power .
Why cant Law be based on golden rules of ethics ..?

The error you make here is to analyze the "opinions of Pakistanis" from a much more detailed perspective than they do themselves. Like I said, for the average Pakistani an Islamic system means one that provides "Justice and Equality", that allows for respect and tolerance of all regardless of faith - that is what the average Muslim believes his or her faith commands, and that is what these opinions are based on. To go into "Daru-ul Harb" and some verses of the Quran and some Hadith to make the case that what is being asked for is a repressive society is completely missing the point. The argument of what exactly would constitute a "Shariah State" is an entirely different one.

That said, I agree that the idea is unfeasible (I mentioned my reasons for that in my first or second post), because as it currently stands there are diametrically opposing interpretations of Islam. This is not selectively choosing and implementing Shariah, it is interpreting Shariah differently from what you and many in the West consider Shariah. There is no "universal Shariah", and therein lies the problem, both in practically realizing this "Islamic democracy" and analyzing the opinions of Pakistanis. The implementation of the "golden rules of ethics" are really what people are arguing for - cloaked in the garb of "Islamic Democracy".

To reiterate, the argument of whether "Sahriah Law" is feasible, and what exactly it means, is a different one from, and should not be confused with, the desires of Pakistanis to have an "Islamic Democracy".
 
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here we go the favourit pass time by Mr Salim Sir Ray

Now guys ready for getting his anti-Saudi Arabia posts mostly woven through using statement on Whabiism and Salafiism.

Sir plzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jana ,

Stop being a journalist and obfuscate and hedge and haw and act very knowledgeable!

Give what you find is wrong.

This is a forum and not a newspaper!

I have met Saudi clerics in Malaysia and have seen them operating!
 
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Dabong,

Notwithstanding the hardline theories being perpetuated by Saudis in the madrassas, Pakistan is still maintaining a liberal Islamic stance.

It will take time before the Salafi culture impregnate itself into Pakistan, even though the
Saudis are doing their best!

That is my belief!

The legacy of history of Pakistan is not that fragile!
 
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If I remember correctly, when President Musharraf insisted on madrassas registering themselves, they agreed to registering but not ready to divulge the source of funding.

It is well known that Saudi Arabia is funding madrassas all over the world, including Pakistan.

If the Saudis are funding, then obviously they would want their money's worth and that is by spreading the official religion of Saudi Arabia i.e. Sunni Islam of the Wahhabi or Salafi variety.

The Salafis are purists and hence very strict in following the Quaran, which in other words, could be fundamentalist strain of Islam. Therefore, it would be very difficult to prevent this strain of Islam from the teaching in the madrassas, sponsored by Saudis.

Therefore, monitoring is essential, but then it might dry up Saudi funds.

Catch 22.

The challenge is to discredit the Saudi/Taliban version of Islam.

But how does one convince muslims, that the version of Islam that the people of the center of the Islamic world, is infact wrong?

Especially since these days, its so damn easy to be branded an Islamic heretic?
 
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