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The coordinated terrorist attacks against military installations as well as civilian bazaar areas across Pakistan over the last week seem to have thrown the country into such a nervous spin that ordinary Pakistanis are beginning to ask if better relations with India can help restore some desperately-needed normalcy to their country.

As terrorists from the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi group attacked the headquarters of the Pakistani army in Rawalpindi a week ago, challenging what remains Pakistan’s most powerful institution, Rehana Hakim, the editor of the Pakistani magazine ‘Newsline’, attending a conference of women journalists in Lahore voiced the collective insecurity of the Pakistanis present: “If the army can be attacked, how safe can any one of us be in our own country?”

Across Lahore — in elite drawing rooms, journalist soirees as well as among small traders and street hawkers in the city’s busy Liberty Market area — a cross-section of Pakistanis confessed to rising uncertainty about the quality of governance, Asif Ali Zardari’s unwillingness to take on the formidable power of the armed forces, dismay over Pakistan’s international characterisation as the “epicentre of jehad” and even, the relationship between militancy and Islam.

There was one thread that united these conversations and it was articulated by Mian Ejaz ul-Hasan, an old-time member of the Pakistan People’s Party: “If India believes it is the ‘chaudhury’ (big brother or hegemon) of the region,” Hasan said, “then as the ‘chaudhury’ it should show take the lead in resolving issues across the sub-continent.”

On top of the agenda, said Hasan, was the need to cooperate on fighting terror. “The terror unleashed against India in Mumbai and other cities is only a manifestation of the terror that Pakistanis face everyday at home,” he said.

Pakistani analysts pointed out that as the Pakistani army launched an assault against the strongholds of the Pakistani Taliban and the al Qaeda in South Waziristan, terror groups in the southern Punjab like the Jaish-e-Mohammed and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi had united with terrorist groups like the Tehreek-i-Taliban in Pakistan’s frontier areas to mount the string of terrorist attacks across Pakistan over the last week.

But in the run-up to the first anniversary of the Mumbai attacks next month, Pakistanis said they would like India to understand that they are as much victims of terrorism.

“The people of Pakistan have so much in common with India. Let us not stop talking to each other because of militancy and militant attacks. How can ordinary Pakistanis stop these attacks against India when we can’t stop it against ourselves,” asked Sarfaraz, a small trader in Lahore’s Liberty Market.

Even Pakistan’s information minister Qamar Zaman Kaira, as he reiterated his government’s position that Delhi had not “given enough evidence” to nail those India accuses to be behind the Mumbai attack, said, “The battle for Pakistan has escalated into a full-scale war. It is important to understand that these terrorists attacks are not episodic..the terror groups are sending the message that they are linked…Both India and Pakistan must fight this war against terrorism together.”

Sarfaraz’s commonly-held view that the “hukumat” (government) was “only interested in keeping the ‘kursi’ (chair)” and would, therefore, never seriously challenge the widespread influence of the Pakistani army, ended with a plea: “If India won’t talk to us, relations won’t improve and traders like us, who live in the hope that open borders will galvanise our businesses, will have to learn that we can only sell to Pakistanis. But the truth is that the rich Pakistanis have already, mostly, left for America and London…” his voice trailed off.

Pakistani analysts pointed out that as bilateral relations improved under Vajpayee’s BJP-led government in around 2004 and the reopening of the Amritsar-Lahore land route showed promise, property prices in Lahore went up 300 per cent.

In the wake of the Mumbai attacks, as the official dialogue shut down, flights to Lahore and Karachi were drastically reduced, journalist visas dried up and New Delhi began to speak to Islamabad via Washington.

Meanwhile, as America shifted its war against terrorism to focus on Pakistan itself and investor confidence deteriorated, Pakistani officials said at least $40 billion had been lost over the last year due to terrorism.

According to Reuters, as the government and the army fought the terrorists in the Swat and Malakand valleys up north, GDP growth in Pakistan slid to 2 per cent in 2008-9.

The Asian Development Bank expected it to rise only to 3.3 per cent by June 2010.The dire straits in Pakistan’s economy is compounded by the fact that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) gave it a $7.6-billion loan last November for two years, increasing it by $3.2 billion in July.

Last week, the Obama administration cleared the Kerry-Lugar Bill which promises $1.5 billion in non-military aid to Pakistan for the next five years.

But instead of welcoming the aid, the army publicly voiced dissent, the chief opposition in Nawaz Sharif’s Muslim League party rejected it for imposing conditions that compromised Pakistan’s “sovereignty” and Zardari rushed his foreign minister to Washington to voice the government’s apprehensions.

So as the economy goes south and militant groups challenge the authority of the army, Ayesha Siddiqa, well-known author of ‘Military Inc: Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy,’ points out that the Pakistani state remains unwilling to look inwards at the reasons which bred the terror. Terrorist groups in southern Punjab, says Siddiqa, who were once trained by Pakistan’s intelligence agencies to wage terrorism in Kashmir, have recently developed contacts with the al Qaeda and the Taliban to mount attacks against the Pakistani state.

The state of confusion was clearly seen on the morning after the attacks on the military headquarters in Rawalpindi. On the front pages of Pakistan’s respected ‘Dawn’ newspaper, Zafar Abbas spoke of the need to dismantle the distinction between “good” and “bad” terrorists.

But Pakistan’s interior minister Rehman Malik and Punjab’s provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah pointed the finger at India for not only masterminding the continuing troubles in Balochistan but also having a hand in the blasts in both Peshawar and Rawalpindi.

Meanwhile, a Pakistani army source who spoke on condition of anonymity said: “The Pakistani army will go after the terrorists who challenge the army, but those terrorists who are fighting America or India, well, we will let them be.”

Siege within: Pakistanis look to India for solutions
 
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inda is part of Pakistan's 'final solution' :sniper:

indian media hangs on any statement given n Pakistan about how much 'common' things are between india and Pakistan.

The 'panchgaya' is something NO Pakistani , no matter how much to the left can relate to so this commanlity is pure nonsense
 
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inda is part of Pakistan's 'final solution' :sniper:

indian media hangs on any statement given n Pakistan about how much 'common' things are between india and Pakistan.

The 'panchgaya' is something NO Pakistani , no matter how much to the left can relate to so this commanlity is pure nonsense

Yep you are correct. Flogging of women in public and military dictatorship with fleecing of public funds and supporting terrorists (and the list is endless) is something no Indian can relate to so teh commanlity is "pure nonsense". I agree with you on the nonsense stuff.:cheers:

Oh and stop dreaming of India being Pakistan's "final solution". Rather watch your back and make sure that you don't become part of the Taliban's final solution
 
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i have never looked at india for solutions. this is just self praising jest thumping. we have our issuies and they are being dealt with.
 
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The coordinated terrorist attacks against military installations as well as civilian bazaar areas across Pakistan over the last week seem to have thrown the country into such a nervous spin that ordinary Pakistanis are beginning to ask if better relations with India can help restore some desperately-needed normalcy to their country.

:rofl: :rofl:

My God, Blue Boy how some times u just cross all the limits.....

Self praising at its best...
 
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Yes we are looking to India for stopping their funds to terrorists in Pakistan


India funding Taliban fighters: Pakistan


Press Trust Of India
Islamabad, October 26, 2009
First Published: 15:21 IST(26/10/2009)
Last Updated: 15:34 IST(26/10/2009)


Interior Minister Rehman Malik has once again claimed that India is fomenting unrest within Pakistan through steps such as funding Taliban fighters based along the border with Afghanistan.

Malik said he was "convinced" India is among "certain hostile agencies" that are backing the Taliban to create instability in Pakistan.

Asked during an interview to a TV news channel as to that was backing the Taliban, he said: "There are certain hostile elements against Pakistan and there are certain hostile agencies which do not want Pakistan to be (stabilised)."

In response to a question on whether India is among the hostile agencies, Malik said, "Yes, of course, I am convinced. I have no doubt about it. I was very open. I have given the full details.

"If the interior minister of India or anyone else wants to confront me, I will be very happy to confront them because I know what I am saying," he added.

Malik had said last week that Pakistan has "solid evidence" of India's alleged involvement in fomenting unrest in Balochistan province and this can be shared with Indian ministers or representatives at any forum of their choice.

"I invite their interior minister or anyone else (to come to Pakistan) and I will put on record all the material about India's interference in Balochistan. I'll prove it to the world," he had said.

India funding Taliban fighters: Pakistan- Hindustan Times
 
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The coordinated terrorist attacks against military installations as well as civilian bazaar areas across Pakistan over the last week seem to have thrown the country into such a nervous spin that ordinary Pakistanis are beginning to ask if better relations with India can help restore some desperately-needed normalcy to their country.


Too many movies and the result is massive illusion .. i think this author i guess she is some biased Indian journilist who loves to add bollywood ishtyle mirch masala to her stories have tried her level best to sell this stupid story ... not sure about india but in pakistan she is making a mockery of her self . I am surprised at the publications who let such crap printed in their papers/magazines.
 
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One thing has nothing to do with the other! stop posting these rubish false stories ... the only thing india can help us with or perhaps help it self is working towards peace and working key important issues like kashmir .. better realtions yes i do agree its a no brianer but this is some bs story which is false we would never ask india's and in our own matters.
 
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Yes we are looking to India for stopping their funds to terrorists in Pakistan


India funding Taliban fighters: Pakistan


Press Trust Of India
Islamabad, October 26, 2009
First Published: 15:21 IST(26/10/2009)
Last Updated: 15:34 IST(26/10/2009)


Interior Minister Rehman Malik has once again claimed that India is fomenting unrest within Pakistan through steps such as funding Taliban fighters based along the border with Afghanistan.

Malik said he was "convinced" India is among "certain hostile agencies" that are backing the Taliban to create instability in Pakistan.

Asked during an interview to a TV news channel as to that was backing the Taliban, he said: "There are certain hostile elements against Pakistan and there are certain hostile agencies which do not want Pakistan to be (stabilised)."

In response to a question on whether India is among the hostile agencies, Malik said, "Yes, of course, I am convinced. I have no doubt about it. I was very open. I have given the full details.

"If the interior minister of India or anyone else wants to confront me, I will be very happy to confront them because I know what I am saying," he added.

Malik had said last week that Pakistan has "solid evidence" of India's alleged involvement in fomenting unrest in Balochistan province and this can be shared with Indian ministers or representatives at any forum of their choice.

"I invite their interior minister or anyone else (to come to Pakistan) and I will put on record all the material about India's interference in Balochistan. I'll prove it to the world," he had said.

India funding Taliban fighters: Pakistan- Hindustan Times

Malik ji has been making claims of "solid evidence" for weeks now. Where is the evidence? Why not disclose the evidence to the world? Why does he needs the Indian interior minister to go to Pakistan before he presents this "solid evidence"? If you have the evidence present it and shame Indian government before the world or else all you are doing is :blah: :blah::blah:
 
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One thing has nothing to do with the other! stop posting these rubish false stories ... the only thing india can help us with or perhaps help it self is working towards peace and working key important issues like kashmir .. better realtions yes i do agree its a no brianer but this is some bs story which is false we would never ask india's and in our own matters.

IMO opinion Pakistan has more important issues to worry about than Kashmir at the moment. This thread relates to the WOT and not Kashmir. :hitwall:
 
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It cracked me up pak look to india for what :rofl::rofl::rofl: you people don't even eat strong meals no chicken beef or meat.how pak look to india for what:lol:

This is a new one.......but i simply can't resist....Miyan...jitne log Pakistan main rehte hain....use dugne log India main ...Chicken aur mutton khate hain.....

Increased meat consumption in India, China driving global food prices: EU




On a serious note.........why is it a matter of anyones ego....if two countries can learn from each other.....

Pakistan is looking forward to replicate India's rural Health Insurance program..

Pakistan wants to replicate India?s health insurance- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times


and Pakistani farmers are looking forward to adopt tissue culture from Indian farmers...

Pak: Farmers keen to adopt tissue culture technology from India
 
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This is a new one.......but i simply can't resist....Miyan...jitne log Pakistan main rehte hain....use dugne log India main ...Chicken aur mutton khate hain.....

Increased meat consumption in India, China driving global food prices: EU




On a serious notes.........why is it a matter of anyones ego....if two countries can learn from each other.....

Pakistan is looking forward to replicate India's rural Health Insurance program..

Pakistan wants to replicate India?s health insurance- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times


and Pakistani farmers are looking forward to adopt tissue culture from Indian farmers...

Pak: Farmers keen to adopt tissue culture technology from India

You shouldn't have posted that up here. People like Malik may demand that the Pakistani Minister of Health and the Pakistani farmers all be killed for this treasonable offence :rofl:
 
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Pakistan is looking forward to replicate India's rural Health Insurance program..

Pakistan wants to replicate India?s health insurance- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times


and Pakistani farmers are looking forward to adopt tissue culture from Indian farmers...

Pak: Farmers keen to adopt tissue culture technology from India

lolz mr not so smart you posted the thread which contains stuff on terrorism related problems in Pakistan and your thread claimed that Pakistanis were looking towards India for its solution and here you are posting thing about Health system of India being adopted by Pakistan or something related to farming lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Have a heart and get a life man.

It was such a lame attempt to justify a BS.
 
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lolz mr not so smart you posted the thread which contains stuff on terrorism related problems in Pakistan and your thread claimed that Pakistanis were looking towards India for its solution and here you are posting thing about Health system of India being adopted by Pakistan or something related to farming lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Have a heart and get a life man.

It was such a lame attempt to justify a BS.

Do you understand the term..."For Example" .......thats what the entire information was all about.....just to tell people around here...that if there can be cooperation in other fields....why have issues ...when it comes to learning from each other....
 
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IMO opinion Pakistan has more important issues to worry about than Kashmir at the moment. This thread relates to the WOT and not Kashmir. :hitwall:

Wat i stated is the fact smarta$$ its not my opnion read before opening up your big mouth! :blah: second i know we have more issues to worry about then some cheap and false report /story like this one thats why i was clearing it up ..... now dont bang your head to hard on the wall we don't need india's help in our internal matters so how can this stupid news be true ? i rest my case ... :bunny:
 
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