Pakistanis debate real enemy: girl-shooting Taliban or drone-firing US

[truthseer]

how dare you talk like that Kiyani Our Army Chief a CIA Asset! Come on ISI will be looking for you in no time!
If i remember correctly you are one of Zardari thugs!

Jamaat said it, not me. I got that from the Jamaati workers outside Masjid after Jummah.

@somebozo- It's not a parody.

 

[Developereo]

Ha Ha since they cannot hide AL-Quida links to TTP,they simply lie that Al-quida is CIA stooges too..(When in reality al-quida leadership are hunted down and killed by CIA).For these people it doesn't matter how irrational it is,they just need to justify afghan taliban,so need to distance afghan from taliban TTP and Al-quida who have openly caused blood bath in pakistan.

Do you ever buy butter? What do you do when it goes past its "use by" date?

 

[truthseer]

Do you ever buy butter? What do you do when it goes past its "use by" date?

Do you ever buy milk? What do you do when it turns bad?

 

[BJP*]

Pakistanies real enemy is India. You should keep focus on India. You also know you can manage rest whenever you want therefore your focus on India should be on high priority

 

[truthseer]

Pakistanies real enemy is India. You should keep focus on India. You also know you can manage rest whenever you want therefore your focus on India should be on high priority

To be fair, India does fund the TTP. Perhaps, a severe border watch on India would be most helpful. After all, it's a well known fact in the government that 20% of TTP weapons are imported from India

 

[Developereo]

Do you ever buy milk? What do you do when it turns bad?

Sometimes the whole point of buying the milk is to let it go bad and then dump it in the enemy's backyard where it can wreak havoc.

 

[humanfirst]

Do you ever buy butter? What do you do when it goes past its "use by" date?

I am not denying that most of the present afghan taliban leadership including mullah omer and al-quide was once supported CIA during anti soviet campaign..But now they have turned against America and USA is hunting them both.

My post was in reference to the glorification of afghan taliban by several pakistanis.And since TTP and Al-quida have caused visible atrocities in pakistan,these afghan taliban glorifiers need to distance their pure afghan taliban from TTP and AL QUIDA and they do this by lying that Al quida and TTP are CIA agents.(When in reality we can see that TTP,Al quida and Afghan taliban are cooperating with each other,USA is reimbusing pakistan for fighting TTP,USA is hunting down Al-Quida leadership in afghanistan,pakistan,yemen etc etc)

 

[truthseer]

Sometimes the whole point of buying the milk is to let it go bad and then dump it in the enemy's backyard where it can wreak havoc.

I didn't know the word 'ally' was considered as 'enemy'

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Afghanistan feels pressure in hunt for Swat Taliban chief
By Andrew North BBC News, Kabul

More than a week since Pakistani schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai was shot by suspected Taliban gunmen on her way to school, the pressure to bring those behind the attempted murder to justice is not just on Pakistan but also on neighbouring Afghanistan.

The Pakistani government says Mullah Fazlullah - leader of the Taliban group which has claimed responsibility for the shooting - is hiding in the mountainous Afghan border regions - and has called for him to be handed over.

Pakistan has been shelling Afghan border villages for months, in response to what it says are cross-border raids by Fazlullah's men, including an attack in which 17 Pakistani police were beheaded.

Usually, it is the other way round - with Kabul accusing Pakistan of giving sanctuary to Taliban who carry out assaults inside Afghanistan.
Military offensive

But there are suspicions that any action against Fazlullah - the leader of the Swat faction of the Pakistani Taliban - could become entangled in the bitter relationship between the two neighbours. There are even reports Afghanistan is using him as a bargaining tool against Pakistan.

Officially, the Afghan government rejects Pakistani claims that the man also known as Mullah Radio is still on its soil - three years since he fled a Pakistani military offensive that forced him out of Swat, Malala Yousufzai's home.

But in private, there is no such denial.

An Afghan security source who asked not to be named said that there were "reports that Fazlullah was in Kamdesh or Chapa Dara" - two districts in the border provinces of Nuristan and Kunar.

But the source rejected claims the Afghan intelligence service, the NDS, is backing the Pakistani Taliban leader - who is also known as the FM Mullah for the sometimes lyrical broadcasts he used to make when he was in control of Swat valley.

When asked however if any action against him was likely, the security source answered: "Fazlullah does not attack any Afghan security forces."

If he is hiding in the mountains of Kunar and Nuristan, they make a perfect hiding place.

Stretching along the ill-defined Afghanistan-Pakistan frontier, they have long been a haven for militants, who move between isolated mountain hamlets and caves that were first used by Mujahideen fighters battling Soviet troops in the 1980s.
Extremism 'as a tool'

Despite years of US and Afghan military offensives - and just two years before Nato forces are due to pull out from Afghanistan - the two provinces remain largely outside government control.
The Americans lost dozens of troops in battles with insurgents as they tried to pacify the region, before closing down their bases there two years ago.

There are also reports of Fazlullah being in Nuristan's Kamdesh district, where one US post was nearly over-run by insurgents in 2009.

At a press conference with the Nato secretary general, President Hamid Karzai was asked about Pakistani claims that Mullah Fazlullah was still in Afghanistan.

But he did not directly answer, saying instead that he hoped the shooting of the schoolgirl would convince Islamabad that using extremism as "a tool against others" was not in its interest.

One of the president's advisers, who asked not to be named, took a different line saying the Afghan government "does not have the power to use Fazlullah as a tool."

But he said it was up to the Americans to take action against him.

"They have the technology."

American special forces still make forays into the lawless north-eastern border region, and are believed to have been involved in a strike in Kunar in August which killed Mullah Dadullah, another Pakistani Taliban leader. Asked if any action was planned against Fazlullah, the US military in Afghanistan declined to comment.

BBC News - Afghanistan feels pressure in hunt for Swat Taliban chief

 

[humanfirst]

To be fair, India does fund the TTP. Perhaps, a severe border watch on India would be most helpful. After all, it's a well known fact in the government that 20% of TTP weapons are imported from India

We'll be damned if we even morally support that vile creatures..They are our common enemy.

 

[BJP*]

To be fair, India does fund the TTP. Perhaps, a severe border watch on India would be most helpful. After all, it's a well known fact in the government that 20% of TTP weapons are imported from India

thats why I am saying concentrate on India.

We will try our best to remain on the top of your enemy list.

 

[Developereo]

I am not denying that most of the present afghan taliban leadership including mullah omer and al-quide was once supported CIA during anti soviet campaign..But now they have turned against America and USA is hunting them both.

My post was in reference to the glorification of afghan taliban by several pakistanis.And since TTP and Al-quida have caused visible atrocities in pakistan,these afghan taliban glorifiers need to distance their pure afghan taliban from TTP and AL QUIDA and they do this by lying that Al quida and TTP are CIA agents.(When in reality we can see that TTP,Al quida and Afghan taliban are cooperating with each other,USA is reimbusing pakistan for fighting TTP,USA is hunting down Al-Quida leadership in afghanistan,pakistan,yemen etc etc)

That is the whole point of contention. Does the CIA consider radical jihadis to be past their "use by" date, or is it merely a case of juggling the cast? We know for a fact that the BLA terrorists are sheltered in Kabul and whisked off to London.

And, just for the record, I believe all intelligence agencies outsource some work to questionable characters so this is not limited to the CIA. Reality is rarely as clear cut as "good guys" v/s "bad guys".

 

[zip]

Which scenario will be better ?..drones flying over your home searching for taliban or talibans roaming with ak 47 in your street.. Choose one and you will have your answer ..

 

[humanfirst]

If he is hiding in the mountains of Kunar and Nuristan, they make a perfect hiding place.

Stretching along the ill-defined Afghanistan-Pakistan frontier, they have long been a haven for militants, who move between isolated mountain hamlets and caves that were first used by Mujahideen fighters battling Soviet troops in the 1980s.
Extremism 'as a tool'

Despite years of US and Afghan military offensives - and just two years before Nato forces are due to pull out from Afghanistan - the two provinces remain largely outside government control.
The Americans lost dozens of troops in battles with insurgents as they tried to pacify the region, before closing down their bases there two years ago.


American special forces still make forays into the lawless north-eastern border region, and are believed to have been involved in a strike in Kunar in August which killed Mullah Dadullah, another Pakistani Taliban leader. Asked if any action was planned against Fazlullah, the US military in Afghanistan declined to comment.

It is clear as day that after NATO pull out from Kunar and Nuristan,The area is overrun by afghan taliban.And TTP is sheltered in those areas and enjoy a free run there.And some pakistanis deperately try to portray that TTP have nothing to so with Afghan Taliban,so that they can still glorify their afghan taliban mujahids..

 

[angeldust]

Sometimes the whole point of buying the milk is to let it go bad and then dump it in the enemy's backyard where it can wreak havoc.

Or you could make paneer out of it and eat it.

There are more cost effective ways of taking on the enemy.