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didn't get that one anyways im done making my points. you guys know what you did, defending is a good way to prove us right. cheers
Pakistanis blaming hindu mindset for the exclusion in IPL
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didn't get that one anyways im done making my points. you guys know what you did, defending is a good way to prove us right. cheers
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Neither any Aussi including the most racist one ever abused hindu religion or cared to know the religion of his indian victims ...nor did shiv Sena warn them as they are christians.Shiv Sena runs tirade aganist north indians too,does that bring Hinduism in to the frame??
IPL is an indian domestic legue ...players are auctioned and selected by the private franchisers who have made heavy investments i and are driven by commercial interests.
So blaming and specifically making remarks slanted with hindu prejudice just shows thought process of Sohail Tanver who had played in hindu IPL before ,the host and the sport jurnalist who are samples of elite responsible memebers of pakistani society.Their virulent "anti hindu"stance looks too bad and only reveal a deep seated unchanging historical xenophobia towards indians because of their religion.
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What can foreign player make point playing in Domestic Indian tournament except make money ?
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All these bigots pick on Hindus or Hinduism when India offends them. Yet so many Hindus protested against the fact that Pakistani players were excluded. Muslim Ummah is a dream. When the Muslim Taliban starts wrecking havoc in Pakistan then we hear stupid theories like "some of them were not circumsized so they must be Hindus" or "Hindu India is backing the Taliban" or "Hindu this or that". I really pity my Hindu and Sikh and Buddist brothers and sisters living in Pakistan. I can only imagine the silent torture which they are subjected to daily. Thank heavens that Hindus in India do not rant on against Muslims and Islam since our faith forbids us from doing so. Or else our Muslim brothers and sisters may have been subjected to the same reverse bigotry exposed to in this video. To suggest that IPL owners such as Shah Rukh Khan etc are part of the "Hindu conspiracy" is an insult against a good Muslim, Khan. If you can't find any other reason to verbally attack India save for the "Hindu conspiracy" theory then please whisper that in a forum where you wouldn't be laughed at 
The same tanvir who is blaming hindus so blatantly in the video now wants to play in India what a shame less person see here, this brainless person does not understand that we are very much happy here and no body will regret such a religious thug not coming to our country
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for god sake india is not oly country of hindus
and stop thinking indian muslims as urs this is the truth
and stop thinking indian muslims as urs this is the truth
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I feel sorry for the people and cricket players of Pakistan. Fact is that the world now has a tough time dealing with a region that has spun out of control. No cricket team wants to play in that country and the brutal attack on Sri Lankan players completely ruled out the possibility of the bravest athlete venturing into that troubled region. And now the Pakistanis are smarting under the decision taken by the managers of IPL teams not to bid for their players. The word is that the owners and managers of the teams just don’t want the possible hassles that the Pakistani players invite. I am told that this includes the following reasons:
* Venues like Mumbai are not welcoming to Pakistanis after 26/11. And there is definitely no chance that a team like Mumbai Indians would bid for a Pakistani player.
* Pakistani players can have visa problems.
* Pakistani players are enormously talented but not disciplined.
* The managers of the IPL are business oriented and simply don’t want any real or imagined hassle that having Pakistani players can involve.
I have no position or great insight into the decision of the IPL bidders but I do feel it’s an example of the world really not wanting to engage with the mess that is Pakistan. I recall a conversation with a well known Australian cricket expert some years ago. He had said that in his view the country with the greatest natural talent for the game is Pakistan even though they have no organized national tournament to spot talent comparable to, even, say the Ranji trophy. Having travelled to Pakistan several times and even to Mianwalli, the region dominated by Pathans from the Niazi tribe from which the cricketing legend Imran Khan hails, I know what he meant by “natural talent”. The men of that region were a good head taller than the average Indian so there is a grain of truth in generalities and stereotypes about why Pakistan produces great fast bowlers and India does not.
Yet let me confess to a great discomfort during my forays into the Pakistani countryside. I had gone to Mianwalli in 1996 with Nawaz Sharif for a day’s campaigning during an election. I was the only woman I spotted out in public without a veil or chador and this is before Pakistan became the hard-line Islamic mess it is today. India may not be the liberated west but it’s certainly easier for all sorts of women to survive here without covering their faces in public. Three years ago I again had a visa that allowed me access to a Pakistan village (as opposed to the city specific visas usually given to Indian journalists). The village I went to was a few hours drive from Lahore so very well connected to the big city. The hospitality was spectacular but again it was the men who were the hosts. No woman came even for the feast laid out for me.
The point I am making is that we may have been one big country before the Partition but today India and Pakistan are very different entities. And it’s not just the geo-political mess that Pakistan is or the failure of democracy in that country. The ethnic stock, social norms, tribal values (and lately religious extremism) make Pakistan a wild west that is not friendly to women except the very well made up and fashionable ladies one meets in the metros. Pakistan certainly has huge problems. But some Pakistanis have a hard time dealing with the reality that their country is a mess.
In the India-Pakistan context this gets tied up with the schizophrenia people of both countries have about each other. I am quite certain that there was also a subtle communal attitude at play in the signal given to IPL managers not to bid for Pakistanis. We certainly have many groups in India ready to abuse Pakistanis. Some residents of the neighbouring country have also responded with some shocking communal stereotyping. Consider this conversation that took place in a TV show titled “A morning with Farah” on ATV, a Pakistan channel and the entire show can be seen on Youtube [4:21 to 4:23]
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Sohail Tanvir, who helped the Rajasthan Royals win and got the highest number of wickets in the first IPL is being interviewed by another journalist while the glamorous hostess, Farah, looks on. Consider Tanvir’s remark: “Hinduon ki zahaniyat hi aisi hai (the Hindu nature is like that only)” the implication being that the Hindus have deliberately deceived and humiliated Pakistanis. The journalist responds with a remark about Indians being “baniyas” and says: “bagal meN chhuri/ muuNh meN Ram Ram” (they are ready to plunge a knife behind your back though they will keep saying Ram Ram). The gentleman with this shocking view of Indians in general and Hindus in particular then goes on about how India is tricking Pakistan out of hosting the world cup next year.
Clearly many Pakistanis are in denial about the fact that no one except for the intrepid journalist (such as yours truly) wants to travel to that country.
I feel sorry for the people and cricket players of Pakistan. Fact is that the world now has a tough time dealing with a region that has spun out of control. No cricket team wants to play in that country and the brutal attack on Sri Lankan players completely ruled out the possibility of the bravest athlete venturing into that troubled region. And now the Pakistanis are smarting under the decision taken by the managers of IPL teams not to bid for their players. The word is that the owners and managers of the teams just don’t want the possible hassles that the Pakistani players invite. I am told that this includes the following reasons:
* Venues like Mumbai are not welcoming to Pakistanis after 26/11. And there is definitely no chance that a team like Mumbai Indians would bid for a Pakistani player.
* Pakistani players can have visa problems.
* Pakistani players are enormously talented but not disciplined.
* The managers of the IPL are business oriented and simply don’t want any real or imagined hassle that having Pakistani players can involve.
I have no position or great insight into the decision of the IPL bidders but I do feel it’s an example of the world really not wanting to engage with the mess that is Pakistan. I recall a conversation with a well known Australian cricket expert some years ago. He had said that in his view the country with the greatest natural talent for the game is Pakistan even though they have no organized national tournament to spot talent comparable to, even, say the Ranji trophy. Having travelled to Pakistan several times and even to Mianwalli, the region dominated by Pathans from the Niazi tribe from which the cricketing legend Imran Khan hails, I know what he meant by “natural talent”. The men of that region were a good head taller than the average Indian so there is a grain of truth in generalities and stereotypes about why Pakistan produces great fast bowlers and India does not.
Yet let me confess to a great discomfort during my forays into the Pakistani countryside. I had gone to Mianwalli in 1996 with Nawaz Sharif for a day’s campaigning during an election. I was the only woman I spotted out in public without a veil or chador and this is before Pakistan became the hard-line Islamic mess it is today. India may not be the liberated west but it’s certainly easier for all sorts of women to survive here without covering their faces in public. Three years ago I again had a visa that allowed me access to a Pakistan village (as opposed to the city specific visas usually given to Indian journalists). The village I went to was a few hours drive from Lahore so very well connected to the big city. The hospitality was spectacular but again it was the men who were the hosts. No woman came even for the feast laid out for me.
The point I am making is that we may have been one big country before the Partition but today India and Pakistan are very different entities. And it’s not just the geo-political mess that Pakistan is or the failure of democracy in that country. The ethnic stock, social norms, tribal values (and lately religious extremism) make Pakistan a wild west that is not friendly to women except the very well made up and fashionable ladies one meets in the metros. Pakistan certainly has huge problems. But some Pakistanis have a hard time dealing with the reality that their country is a mess.
In the India-Pakistan context this gets tied up with the schizophrenia people of both countries have about each other. I am quite certain that there was also a subtle communal attitude at play in the signal given to IPL managers not to bid for Pakistanis. We certainly have many groups in India ready to abuse Pakistanis. Some residents of the neighbouring country have also responded with some shocking communal stereotyping. Consider this conversation that took place in a TV show titled “A morning with Farah” on ATV, a Pakistan channel and the entire show can be seen on Youtube [4:21 to 4:23]
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Sohail Tanvir, who helped the Rajasthan Royals win and got the highest number of wickets in the first IPL is being interviewed by another journalist while the glamorous hostess, Farah, looks on. Consider Tanvir’s remark: “Hinduon ki zahaniyat hi aisi hai (the Hindu nature is like that only)” the implication being that the Hindus have deliberately deceived and humiliated Pakistanis. The journalist responds with a remark about Indians being “baniyas” and says: “bagal meN chhuri/ muuNh meN Ram Ram” (they are ready to plunge a knife behind your back though they will keep saying Ram Ram). The gentleman with this shocking view of Indians in general and Hindus in particular then goes on about how India is tricking Pakistan out of hosting the world cup next year.
Clearly many Pakistanis are in denial about the fact that no one except for the intrepid journalist (such as yours truly) wants to travel to that country.
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Man, for god sake - please dont associate there sons of bit## shiv sena goondas and their illegitimate brothers MNS etc with hinduism. all they can do is create chaos in society, arouse some uneducated sections of the society and make a political living out of them. Forget about breaking pakistan, all they are doing is - trying breaking India from within on religious, linguistic and regional faultlines. As far as these are concerned - you and us are on the same side. they are enemy for you and for me. And they are goondas, just a bad luck for us that they are hindus ( though I seriously doubt that too).
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how can a country welcome pakistan in IPL
after mumbai attacks when stilll culprits are not brought to book by very same country
after mumbai attacks when stilll culprits are not brought to book by very same country
The Dawn Blog Blog Archive Backtracking on the IPL
I wrote in my previous blog that reality will surface once the dust settles on the IPL auction 2010.
Well it has, and it seems the Pakistani government, PCB, and the cricketers themselves had a knee-jerk response to the IPL fiasco. Now the real comedy will begin as our cricketers try to wriggle out of what the ministers have got them into. First came the misplaced call for unity, now comes the every-man-for-himself clamour.
It took two cunningly placed comments, one from Shah Rukh Khan, the owner of Kolkata Knight Riders, and the other from the Australian assistant coach of Rajasthan, Darren Berry. Shah Rukh said he would have gone for Abdur Razzaq while Berry said they had Umar Akmal in their plans. Get it, guys? No? Read on.
Before the auction, with catastrophic assumption and arrogance, Shahid Afridi had said his preference would be to play for Kolkata or Rajasthan. Now are you reading between the lines? Shahid who? In my books, this oversight will go down as the most pleasantly communicated snub of all time.
The cricketing patriots have already realised the future cost of demanding self-respect. Nationalistic fervour has already been replaced by an attitude of appeasement. When a friend asked if the IPL would really be blocked, I responded, its a matter of days before the threat is forgotten as cable operators realise that by blocking the IPL theyll lose out on a couple of million rupees in revenues that advertising will generate.
Plus, the players will realise that their ire has been hijacked by the media for sound bytes, by the ministers for popularity bytes, ex-cricketers for news bytes, the PCB rebels for chairman-seat-claim bytes and the government for vote bytes. For the sake of jingoistic points (which they need after doubling the prices of sugar, petrol, gas and electricity in a matter of 18 months), politicians have unnecessarily given a matter worth sidelining global publicity and brought their own shortcoming into sharp focus.
Now the cricketers, led by Afridi, are rushing to douse the embers as they realise theyve been made the pawns in a battle of the bytes. In a press release on Tuesday, Afridi expresses his willingness to forgive and forget, claims he will happily visit India to play in the IPL, and in a way snubs both his chairman and the sports minister, who had announced that no Pakistani players would participate in the IPL again.
Chances are, Afridi probably had this change of heart when the SA Redbacks made it clear that he could not share the 3.3-million-dollar winners purse in IPL Champions League later this year in the event that the team won.
In the wake of Afridis conciliatory message, the argument about who first heightened the stakes will begin, as both Ijaz Butt and Aijaz Jakhrani committed not to send their players to future IPL contests. Both now find themselves being stared down by the players themselves. General Zia ul Haq had crafted cricket diplomacy in 1987, but it was crazy for these two to wage a cricket war while they were street fighting each other over control of Pakistani cricket.
Some sort of dressing down after the IPL fiasco and Pakistans reaction to it was inevitable. It is ironic, though, that the cricketing powers that be are now claiming that they have been vindicated. Thats stupid. The statements of Shah Rukh and Indian Home Minister Chidambaram merely confirm what they claimed on January 19: that there is no conspiracy by the government of India and that this is a private affair of an Indian company. Read their statements in totality; they felt threatened by local nationalists and the responsibility to ensure security. Shah Rukh in particular talks of huge revenue losses in that eventuality.
The Indians have also learned diplomatic skills from their former English masters. They see the big picture and know full well that, by now, saner voices have prevailed in Pakistan. For obvious reasons, the last thing the Indians want is a Pakistan with a bruised ego and a score to settle. After all, they have just received permission from the Pakistan government to send Indian food items across the border without requiring prior permission. And so Mr. Chidambaram steps in with his soothing words.
Other than that, there are economical reasons why both have given sympathetic statements. Shah Rukh fears for his market here: My name is Khan is releasing in Pakistan on February 12 and a Pakistani boycott of all things Indian would hurt him (notice he mentions his Pakistani links in his statement).
You will soon hear that the ministers and players have chosen to be big-hearted and will claim to forgive India and reinitiate their parliamentarian delegations. The cricketers will allow themselves to be auctioned again. Butt will remind us that his initial reaction to the auction had been: So what? We didnt play IPL2 either. And knowing the Indians they will grin and move on with promises of including Pakistani players in the future. As such, the IPL auction sums up the story of our two nations.
I wrote in my previous blog that reality will surface once the dust settles on the IPL auction 2010.
Well it has, and it seems the Pakistani government, PCB, and the cricketers themselves had a knee-jerk response to the IPL fiasco. Now the real comedy will begin as our cricketers try to wriggle out of what the ministers have got them into. First came the misplaced call for unity, now comes the every-man-for-himself clamour.
It took two cunningly placed comments, one from Shah Rukh Khan, the owner of Kolkata Knight Riders, and the other from the Australian assistant coach of Rajasthan, Darren Berry. Shah Rukh said he would have gone for Abdur Razzaq while Berry said they had Umar Akmal in their plans. Get it, guys? No? Read on.
Before the auction, with catastrophic assumption and arrogance, Shahid Afridi had said his preference would be to play for Kolkata or Rajasthan. Now are you reading between the lines? Shahid who? In my books, this oversight will go down as the most pleasantly communicated snub of all time.
The cricketing patriots have already realised the future cost of demanding self-respect. Nationalistic fervour has already been replaced by an attitude of appeasement. When a friend asked if the IPL would really be blocked, I responded, its a matter of days before the threat is forgotten as cable operators realise that by blocking the IPL theyll lose out on a couple of million rupees in revenues that advertising will generate.
Plus, the players will realise that their ire has been hijacked by the media for sound bytes, by the ministers for popularity bytes, ex-cricketers for news bytes, the PCB rebels for chairman-seat-claim bytes and the government for vote bytes. For the sake of jingoistic points (which they need after doubling the prices of sugar, petrol, gas and electricity in a matter of 18 months), politicians have unnecessarily given a matter worth sidelining global publicity and brought their own shortcoming into sharp focus.
Now the cricketers, led by Afridi, are rushing to douse the embers as they realise theyve been made the pawns in a battle of the bytes. In a press release on Tuesday, Afridi expresses his willingness to forgive and forget, claims he will happily visit India to play in the IPL, and in a way snubs both his chairman and the sports minister, who had announced that no Pakistani players would participate in the IPL again.
Chances are, Afridi probably had this change of heart when the SA Redbacks made it clear that he could not share the 3.3-million-dollar winners purse in IPL Champions League later this year in the event that the team won.
In the wake of Afridis conciliatory message, the argument about who first heightened the stakes will begin, as both Ijaz Butt and Aijaz Jakhrani committed not to send their players to future IPL contests. Both now find themselves being stared down by the players themselves. General Zia ul Haq had crafted cricket diplomacy in 1987, but it was crazy for these two to wage a cricket war while they were street fighting each other over control of Pakistani cricket.
Some sort of dressing down after the IPL fiasco and Pakistans reaction to it was inevitable. It is ironic, though, that the cricketing powers that be are now claiming that they have been vindicated. Thats stupid. The statements of Shah Rukh and Indian Home Minister Chidambaram merely confirm what they claimed on January 19: that there is no conspiracy by the government of India and that this is a private affair of an Indian company. Read their statements in totality; they felt threatened by local nationalists and the responsibility to ensure security. Shah Rukh in particular talks of huge revenue losses in that eventuality.
The Indians have also learned diplomatic skills from their former English masters. They see the big picture and know full well that, by now, saner voices have prevailed in Pakistan. For obvious reasons, the last thing the Indians want is a Pakistan with a bruised ego and a score to settle. After all, they have just received permission from the Pakistan government to send Indian food items across the border without requiring prior permission. And so Mr. Chidambaram steps in with his soothing words.
Other than that, there are economical reasons why both have given sympathetic statements. Shah Rukh fears for his market here: My name is Khan is releasing in Pakistan on February 12 and a Pakistani boycott of all things Indian would hurt him (notice he mentions his Pakistani links in his statement).
You will soon hear that the ministers and players have chosen to be big-hearted and will claim to forgive India and reinitiate their parliamentarian delegations. The cricketers will allow themselves to be auctioned again. Butt will remind us that his initial reaction to the auction had been: So what? We didnt play IPL2 either. And knowing the Indians they will grin and move on with promises of including Pakistani players in the future. As such, the IPL auction sums up the story of our two nations.
I always wonder how Hindus living in Pakistan be treated the way pakistani people use hindu world like an abuse.
Thaan thaan te hindu hindu hindu hindu hindu karde firde ne. Pata ne hinduan ne ena de kereh maah(lentils) maar laye.
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Indian Members : Pls stop piling on this "Hindu Mindset" statement. Might have been made in heat of moment. The way pak players were treated by IPL management was dis-respectful and as is regional trait .... knee jerk reactions followed without anyone coming clean as to what-how-who part of the story.
Care to explain why it is dis respectful?
if u people feel everything is master minded by Hindus then why cry for not being taken by the Hindu IPL... U guys sud feel better for not being sold or bought by Hindu IPL teams. Have some individuality... if u really dont like becoz of hindus .. why care...
Kheel katam dhukkan bhand. go home enjoy.. what's all this nonsense...
TO tell u the answer, it is the money power which is attractive.. have u heard abt the "Sore graphs" story... ???
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