Pakistanis are fighting against Turkey

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

U want them to come back? They are dangerous

We need to get at the source of the brainwashing, nip the situation at the bud.

Ofcourse I have no qualms about Turkish brothers blowing them to smithereens.

However Iran must not get away with this.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

They are not Pakistanis who have illegally gone to Syria to fight for Iran.

I know. Its not about mezhep. It's about young people who are lured into a war that isn't their business. They will return home at some point in the future. This is also a dangerous development for the Pakistani society.

Don't worry these people will disappear once they get back, we don't tolerate militant traitors.

 

[TOPGUN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234078080332967942

Turkey has unwillingly killed dozens of Pakistani citizens who are illegally fighting in Syria for the Iranian Mullah regime and Assad. This is not acceptable. Pakistani Shia are generally the most pro-Turkish Shias I've ever met.

I bet they are doing the same in Yemen against Saudi Arabia. Pakistan's key allies are being attacked by Pakistani mercenaries. Something needs to be done here.

Brother these are terrorist scum and not real Pakistanis that love your nation and its people, evil has no name other then what it spells out they belong in hell whether Turkey kills them or Pakistan. We have been killing these scums for long in our own country so don't take it personal. May our brotherhood always stay blessed inshallah and AMEEN !!!

 

[cloud4000]

These Pakistanis who are fighting Turkey consider themselves Shias first and Pakistanis a distant second. The question to ask is: how are they being recruited? And what are the intel agencies dealing with it?

Iran also recruits Indian Shias as well.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Iranians have brainwashed our Shia Pakistani brothers, brought them into Syria to defend shrines, but then started to use them in their proxy wars and as cannon fodder.

Only some of them have been brainwashed. The majority of Pakistani Shia have nothing to do with this.

And the some that have been brainwashed need to pay a price for their actions in this case, and it appears they are.

I do think it is time that Pakistan raise this issue of recruiting Pakistanis with the Iranians in a more vocal manner.

These Pakistanis who are fighting Turkey consider themselves Shias first and Pakistanis a distant second. The question to ask is: how are they being recruited? And what are the intel agencies dealing with it?

Iran also recruits Indian Shias as well.

It's a case of the State prioritizing and focusing on more significant threats. Iranian recruitment of Pakistanis Shia is (correctly or not) considered much lower down the threat matrix than the BLA/BRA/TTP/JuA etc. Given the fragile Iran-Pakistan relationship & the perceived need to balance it with the Saudi-Pakistan relationship, the GoP doesn't want to make this a big issue by being too vocal about it.

In my view, one other concern is that the more publicly vocal the GoP is about Iranian recruitment, the more the issue gets play on the media (and we all know how unprofessional the Pakistani media is) and the higher the chances of the media actually pouring more fuel onto the sectarian fire and creating sectarian tensions where none to little existed before.

 

[El Sidd]

In my view, one other concern is that the more publicly vocal the GoP is about Iranian recruitment, the more the issue gets play on the media (and we all know how unprofessional the Pakistani media is) and the higher the chances of the media actually pouring more fuel onto the sectarian fire and creating sectarian tensions where none to little existed before.

But these are legally Iranian citizens now.

Why are you trying to play the usual routine on this when there is an easy way out through a legal excuse that these are Iranians by nationality?

 

[waz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234078080332967942

Turkey has unwillingly killed dozens of Pakistani citizens who are illegally fighting in Syria for the Iranian Mullah regime and Assad. This is not acceptable. Pakistani Shia are generally the most pro-Turkish Shias I've ever met.

I bet they are doing the same in Yemen against Saudi Arabia. Pakistan's key allies are being attacked by Pakistani mercenaries. Something needs to be done here.

Well they chose their bed and lay in it. Who told them to go fight for mercenary powers and ultimately be killed by Pakistan's own brother Turkey?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

But these are legally Iranian citizens now.

Why are you trying to play the usual routine on this when there is an easy way out through a legal excuse that these are Iranians by nationality?

Are they all Iranian citizens? Have they surrendered their Pakistani citizenship or has the State revoked it?

Until there is concrete proof of the State revoking their citizenship, how can we say for sure that they are Iranian citizens?

 

[El Sidd]

Are they all Iranian citizens? Have they surrendered their Pakistani citizenship or has the State revoked it?

Until there is concrete proof of the State revoking their citizenship, how can we say for sure that they are Iranian citizens?

It is safe to assume they are. Such strategic paperwork do not require much time or formalities in Iran. Remember Kubbi Yadev, Uzair Baloch and others from have been given fast track Iranian citizenship.

Even Iranian militias proudly claim that fighters give up their nationalities to help them in their cause.

If you are waiting for some press conference from the government or the state authorities regarding this, keep waiting. And as far as media houses are concerned, you treat them as some minority but the state does not treat them as a minority thus why no one ever mentions the over representation of them in government and in media.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It is safe to assume they are. Such strategic paperwork do not require much time or formalities in Iran. Remember Kubbi Yadev, Uzair Baloch and others from have been given fast track Iranian citizenship.

Sorry, not going by mere assumptions.

Even Iranian militias proudly claim that fighters give up their nationalities to help them in their cause.

The Iranians can claim what they want, they aren't exactly the most credible sources on the planet. What I'd like to see is concrete evidence that Pakistanis becoming Iranian citizens have had their Pakistani citizenship revoked. The GoP doesn't have to talk about specifics such as the people getting their citizenship revoked were fighting abroad in militant organizations - it just has to reiterate the law that there is no agreement for dual citizenship between Iran and Pakistan and that those who are found to have Iranian citizenship will have their Pakistani citizenship revoked.

If you are waiting for some press conference from the government or the state authorities regarding this, keep waiting. And as far as media houses are concerned, you treat them as some minority but the state does not treat them as a minority thus why no one ever mentions the over representation of them in government and in media.

I already pointed out why the GoP making a huge public spectacle over this issue would backfire in terms of sectarian tensions at home.

And since when are media houses supposed to be treated as a minority?

 

[El Sidd]

Sorry, not going by mere assumptions.

Then why do you assume they are Shias in the first place? Fatima r.a and Zainab r.a are equally respected by both Shia and Sunnis.

The Iranians can claim what they want, they aren't exactly the most credible sources on the planet. What I'd like to see is concrete evidence that most of the Pakistani fighters taking up Iranian citizenship have had their Pakistani citizenship revoked. The GoP doesn't have to talk about specifics such as the people getting their citizenship revoked were fighting abroad in militant organizations - it just has to reiterate the law that there is no agreement for dual citizenship between Iran and Pakistan and that those who are found to have Iranian citizenship will have their Pakistani citizenship revoked.

and what i am saying is that they have already abandoned their Pakistani citizenship as per contract with Iran and Iran does not allow dual citizenship with Pakistan either.

I already pointed out why the GoP making a huge public spectacle over this issue would backfire in terms of sectarian tensions at home.

And since when are media houses supposed to be treated as a minority?

It would if ahle tashee were considered a minority by the constitution and the state which they are not. they do not fulfill the legal requirements of being a minority in Pakistan as per the constitution of Pakistan.

There are only 2 media houses in Pakistan and both are run from abroad and not from Pakistan.

 

[Old School]

I don't think that any native Punjabi speaking Pakistani will ever go to fight for anyone other than Pakistan itself. These Jahil mercenaries are from some 'well known areas' in Pakistan who would fight for anyone who would pay them. These Jahils have been overlooked for far too long by our establishment.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

In fact it might be an opportunity for Pak to send a “delegation” to to visit freed parts of Syria to “locate” and “bring” them back home....

 

[Taimoor Khan]

We need to get at the source of the brainwashing, nip the situation at the bud.

Ofcourse I have no qualms about Turkish brothers blowing them to smithereens.

However Iran must not get away with this.

I have pointed this "source" of problem many times on this forum.

I dont want to put vedios here but if you hear Shia Mullahs surmons and the way they market Iran to gullible audience, it really boils the blood.

Mark my words, the root of the problem is the link between Pakistani shia Mullahs and Qom.

Uproot that umbilical cord , do not allow any shia Mullah to go to Qom, force everyone to do their religious studies within Pakistani institutions. No ifs and buts. Coz that is where the indoctrination happen which is then passed on to the masses.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I have pointed this "source" of problem many times on this forum.

I dont want to put vedios here but if you hear Shia Mullahs surmons and the way they market Iran to gullible audience, it really boils the blood.

Mark my words, the root of the problem is the link between Pakistani shia Mullahs and Qom.

Uproot that umbilical cord , do not allow any shia Mullah to go to Qom, force everyone to do their religious studies within Pakistani institutions. No ifs and buts. Coz that is where the indoctrination happen which is then passed on to the masses.

I believe the same brother. If Pakistani Sunnis are discouraged from sectarianism, then Pakistani Shias should be as well. The problem exists in both.