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[Proud 2 Be a Pakistani]

Nope, ours will have a weapons bay!

So does it mean that PN Sea Sultan will only have Internal Weapons Bays, No External Hardpoints (or limited external hardpoints for Two Torpedoes)?

Though PN Sea sultan will have Leonardo's Seaspray Radar.... AFAIK.

 

[Akh1112]

So does it mean that PN Sea Sultan will only have Internal Weapons Bays, No External Hardpoints (or limited external hardpoints for Two Torpedoes)?

Though PN Sea sultan will have Leonardo's Seaspray Radar.... AFAIK.

it’ll probably have external hard points for Anti Ship missiles, but then a rotary bay for torpedos

I don't see outboard rails for AAMs installed. Those hardpoints can be used for ECM pods.
Need 2 aft hardpoints for torpedoes. Ideal would be an internal weapons bay. What about a MAD boom?

MAD booms are rather useless now, they’re also heavy and bulky, better to load more sonobuoys in the space a MAD boom would take up.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

I don't see outboard rails for AAMs installed. Those hardpoints can be used for ECM pods.
Need 2 aft hardpoints for torpedoes. Ideal would be an internal weapons bay. What about a MAD boom?

MAD is an obsolete sensor now.

 

[SD 10]

MAD is an obsolete sensor now.

does indian poseidon have mad?

 

[Akh1112]

does indian poseidon have mad?

yes, the only p8 variant to have it

 

[SD 10]

yes, the only p8 variant to have it

than the question is why did they prefer to include it while the other p8s don't have it?

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

than the question is why did they prefer to include it while the other p8s don't have it?

Unlike the preceding P-3, the P-8 lacks a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) due to its higher operational altitude; its acoustic sensor system is reportedly more effective at acoustic tracking and thus lacking a MAD will not impede its detection capabilities; India's P-8I is equipped with a MAD per the contract request.

The seller just wants to make more money.

Even in the 70s and 80s, MAD was only a confirmatory sensor and not a classification sensor.

I have practically seen it work, doesn't help much.

 

[Akh1112]

than the question is why did they prefer to include it while the other p8s don't have it?

Because India has stupid requirements for everything. Have you seen their new LHD tender?

 

[Rafi]

I don't see outboard rails for AAMs installed. Those hardpoints can be used for ECM pods.
Need 2 aft hardpoints for torpedoes. Ideal would be an internal weapons bay. What about a MAD boom?

Early indications are that a revolving Bay for launching torpedoes will be installed by Leonardo.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The capabilities of the airframe will be limited by the size of the airframe and the degee to which it can be modified for additional tasks - and internal revolving bay for Torpedos looks unlikey given the size of the platform. The above artist's impression is probably close to what PN is planning.

Note, that the PN favours the Lineage due to its long range and this cannot be preserved if you start eating into the airframe itself to make space for internal weapons as parts of the cargo hold had already been converted into fuel storage to give it the range it needs.

If you consider the aerodynamic effect of the mounted munitions, you can see the effect it can have on both range and increased fuel requirements to compensate and therefore the thinking behind getting the Lineage variant and therefore the constraints that imposes.

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

Pakistani Navy confirms Brazilian jetliner will replace Orion patrol aircraft
By: Usman Ansari   11 minutes ago

An attendant stands beside a model of the Embraer Lineage 1000 business jet during the Asian Aerospace Show in Hong Kong on March 8, 2011. (Kin Cheung/AP)

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan’s Navy has selected the Embraer Lineage 1000 jetliner to replace its P-3C Orion long-range maritime patrol aircraft, a service spokesman has confirmed to Defense News.

Outgoing naval chief Adm. Adm. Zafar Mahmood Abbasi announced Oct. 6 that the Navy would replace its P-3C Orion fleet with 10 converted commercial jets, the first of which has been ordered. However, he did not identify the type.

The Ministry of Defence Production, which handles acquisition, did not return requests for comment regarding the conversion and possible partners.

With only a single aircraft ordered thus far, the program is in its early stages. When converted for Pakistani service, the aircraft will be called Sea Sultan.

It is unclear if the aircraft is being acquired directly from the manufacturer or another party. Embraer did not respond to requests for comment.

The question of what issues may arise in converting the aircraft was put to Douglas Barrie, an aerospace analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies:

“Using a commercial turbofan engine-powered aircraft as the basis for an ASW [anti-submarine warfare] platform is not unheard of. After all, the U.S. P-8 is a Boeing 737-800 derivative," he said.

But there are challenges in conversing the aircraft, he added, "not least of all if internal weapons carriage is required where a bomb bay will need to be cut into the airframe.”

“Significant undertaking and risk management is going to be important,” he said, adding that it’s likely Embraer will be asked to help with the conversion, “otherwise the challenges just get all the greater.”

Frederico Lemos, Embraer’s defense representative who handles business in Asia, did not respond to Defense News' questions about whether the company is or would be involved in the conversion process.

Pakistan to replace Orion patrol aircraft with Brazilian jetliner

When converted for Pakistani service, the aircraft will be called Sea Sultan.

www.defensenews.com

What engines does this jetliner use ? European ?

 

[Thorough Pro]

Internal weapons bay with rotary magazine

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After modification it may look like this.

 

[Gripen9]

Unlike the preceding P-3, the P-8 lacks a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) due to its higher operational altitude; its acoustic sensor system is reportedly more effective at acoustic tracking and thus lacking a MAD will not impede its detection capabilities; India's P-8I is equipped with a MAD per the contract request.

The seller just wants to make more money.

Even in the 70s and 80s, MAD was only a confirmatory sensor and not a classification sensor.

I have practically seen it work, doesn't help much.
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MAD is an obsolete sensor now.

So in your opinion, what would be the optimal sensor suite and armament layout on this platform?

 

[kursed]

yes, the only p8 variant to have it

US variant of P8 carries MAD as well, in a distributed system. Whereby a P8 will deploy several smaller drones, over a wide area carrying these.

The difference is that in order use MAD, the plane has to drop altitude. P8, using these drones can retain its high altitude and look over large swaths of sea, while deploying multiple drones to get closer to the surface to perform search for it.

Industry asked to develop magnetic anomaly detector (MAD)-equipped UAV for anti-submarine warfare (ASW)

Project seeks to launch a 36-pound, 90-knot UAV with magnetometer from a P-8A aircraft, with 45-minute endurance, to detect submarine-sized targets.

www.militaryaerospace.com

 

[Areesh]

than the question is why did they prefer to include it while the other p8s don't have it?

That is pajeet IQ working there. That's why