Pakistani Muslim youths turning into atheists

[Imran Khan]

killing a person will fast track him/her to hell...and i am not fully aware of the "Murtadd" laws of shariah...

I suspect the law is to stop "fitnaa" and to stop people from being two faced....as in Muslim one day and non Muslim the other day and back to Muslim the next day....
Same as it is currently happening in many countries of Africa...I know people from Congo living not far from where i live,who have part Muslim part christian names...can recite verses of Quran,but have no belief in Allah and don't even know how to prey..

its not cstop people to be two faced but open the door for being two face .person from inside is kaffer you put gun on him and he is muslim? can you change? people being munafiq just because the fear this law? yes they are they never do any thing of islam still muslims? no they are munafiqs and its imposible to know what is in his heart .you eat with them sit with them and think he is muslim but he is non muslim so which one is bad? he is napak all time and you trat him a muslim .its wrong man .


for those who burn muslim they are muslim but also they are muqalid مقلد by there parents they follow them but after they start use their brain and become adult they never stay on it so how can someone kil him? there is many many ways to bring him back by heart not by force.there is huge difference between burn muslim and convert to be muslim .

 

[muse]

you are wrong here...the law is to get rid of two faced people who can destablize societies and cause "fitnaa"..Look into the tafseer of "La Ikra fiddeen" surface knowledge is no good.
Dont know about other religions specially with jesus jokes flying around...but islam is no joke...and the laws of shariah are designed to keep it that way.

I'm with you Safriz - like I said lets kill - we have to clean up all who do "fitna" and such - and of course there are the laws of shariah, we just have to decide which shariah and whether it is the law of Pakistan -- Heck, you know what?, if the CJP Chaudary will not make laws of Pakistan shariah laws, we can always kill. And if we don't kill, wont that makes us munafiq?

Safriz, what's the difference between us and the TTP?

I'm all for killing brother man, no joking.

 

[pak-marine]

There is a small percentage of people in any society , unfortunatly millitants /fundamentalists in Islam is helping these people flourish. These people have damaged the peaceful and fair image of Islam to their liking.

 

[Imran Khan]

IK'

You know some crazy people say that Quran says "La Iqra Fideen" - that there mist be no compulsion in religion - but I think we can make exceptions and kill people who do not agree with us - we kill so many anyways, what's a few more - anyway, we create more work for the devil and God likes that.

nope we can not kill even a snake if its going to own way and not disturbing us .read the example when muslims kill a guy in jungle and when they come back prophet mohmmad know this matter he was so angry on that sahaba that why you kill him he was not solder and he told you people that i am muslim . islam never say go kill those who not agree with us but islam said go fight with those who fight with you .

 

[Safriz]

its not cstop people to be two faced but open the door for being two face .person from inside is kaffer you put gun on him and he is muslim? can you change? people being munafiq just because the fear this law? yes they are they never do any thing of islam still muslims? no they are munafiqs and its imposible to know what is in his heart .you eat with them sit with them and think he is muslim but he is non muslim so which one is bad? he is napak all time and you trat him a muslim .its wrong man .


for those who burn muslim they are muslim but also they are muqalid مقلد by there parents they follow them but after they start use their brain and become adult they never stay on it so how can someone kil him? there is many many ways to bring him back by heart not by force.there is huge difference between burn muslim and convert to be muslim .

ok now i understand where you are coming from...yes creating an environment of fear will force people to be two faced...but maybe thats why islam is preached and people are asked to think and decide before they enter islam....but once they did decide there was no turning back...ways to stop people from making it a joke.
but yeah i am no expert in this field...jut my opinion.

 

[Imran Khan]

According to our religion, all babies are born as muslims because they are sinless. Using that logic, everyone from other religion has to be killed because they have converted? I was once kicked out of a religious ceremony for asking this question. lol.

then what will remain it believe of taliban lolz

 

[Imran Khan]

ok now i understand where you are coming from...yes creating an environment of fear will force people to be two faced...but maybe thats why islam is preached and people are asked to think and decide before they enter islam....but once they did decide there was no turning back...ways to stop people from making it a joke.
but yeah i am no expert in this field...jut my opinion.

yaar people convert any time islam should leave them alone rather then keep them by force .simple example one of your friend is athiest from inside by fear of this law. he stay napak he do whatever and on prayer time you take him mosque as you don't know he is athiest tell me who is responsible for take dirt in mosque?.and yes if you say murid ki saza maut hai then no god damn will ever say i am murtid but yes he is from inside .so means muslims lose.as he will marry a muslim girl which is not allowed he may touch quran in napak situation he do whatever.so its mean law will be abused by non muslim person .

 

[Safriz]

I'm with you Safriz - like I said lets kill - we have to clean up all who do "fitna" and such - and of course there are the laws of shariah, we just have to decide which shariah and whether it is the law of Pakistan -- Heck, you what, if the CJP Chaudary will not make laws of Pakistan shariah laws, we can always kill.

Safriz, what's the difference between us and the TTP?

I'm all for killing brother man, no joking.

There was an incident i read when Omar ibn ul khattab (i am a big fan of him) held a "mashwaraa" as in a council...and let people come to one decision..after the decision was made and people were agreed on that..he pulled out his sword and warned that if someone disagrees after this,,they will have their heads chopped off.But that was in matters of state...
It was about people coming to a decision and then sticking to it and working on its completion...not decide one thing then fight on it the next day and do nothing and spoil state's time and resources....There are many who will paint this act of Omar Ibn ul Khattab as "preaching islam with sword" but any sane person will know why he done it..
same are "Murtadd" laws......needs to be understood better.

To me TTP falls under the category of "Murderers" and murderers should be got rid of

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

IK'

You know some crazy people say that Quran says "La Iqra Fideen" - that there mist be no compulsion in religion - but I think we can make exceptions and kill people who do not agree with us - we kill so many anyways, what's a few more - anyway, we create more work for the devil and God likes that.

yes we started ww1 and 2 and killed them all

TARIQ

 

[muse]

There is a small percentage of people in any society , unfortunatly millitants /fundamentalists in Islam is helping these people flourish. These people have damaged the peaceful and fair image of Islam to their liking.

Come on, yaar, lets never tell each lies - it's not a small minority - radicalism is a fact of our society - we throw around "kill" like it was "candy".

Islam is a "Dawa" and invitation - now according to us, it's a invitation with a gun held to our heads (an offer we can't refuse) thank you arabia. And it's not a minority that thinks this, after all look at the survey done by Dr. Siddiqa about attitudes of youth - radicalism, is now "pop culture" in Pakistan.

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There was an incident i read when Omar ibn ul khattab (i am a big fan of him) held a "mashwaraa" as in a council...and let people come to one decision..after the decision was made and people were agreed on that..he pulled out his sword and warned that if someone disagrees after this,,they will have their heads chopped off.But that was in matters of state...

According tot he constitution of Pakistan - Islam is the business of the state, so if we take the example you cite, it's chop chop - all good Islamic stuff.

 

[Safriz]

yaar people convert any time islam should leave them alone rather then keep them by force .simple example one of your friend is athiest from inside by fear of this law. he stay napak he do whatever and on prayer time you take him mosque as you don't know he is athiest tell me who is responsible for take dirt in mosque?.and yes if you say murid ki saza maut hai then no god damn will ever say i am murtid but yes he is from inside .so means muslims lose.as he will marry a muslim girl which is not allowed he may touch quran in napak situation he do whatever.so its mean law will be abused by non muslim person .

Yes i have seen this situation happening....But the person was just losy not a "Murtadd".
To be honest i dont know....but my guess is that if you read islamic history..Caliphates had propper social benifit systems and a newbie muslim used to be state's responsibility...state gave him.her housing,food and protection after they had converted to islam on their sweet will...MAy be thats why strict laws were in place so that people dont covert for financial greed.
But saying that the death penalty was decided not by vigilante but a learned "Qazi" who considered all circumstances and was a faithful practitioner of islam.....

 

[pak-marine]

Come on, yaar, lets never tell each lies - it's not a small minority - radicalism is a fact of our society - we throw around "kill" like it was "candy".
Islam is a "Dawa" and invitation - now according to us, it's a invitation with a gun held to our heads (an offer we can't refuse) thank you arabia. And it's not a minority that thinks this, after all look at the survey done by Dr. Siddiqa about attitudes of youth - radicalism, is now "pop culture" in Pakistan..

O sir g i meant small percentage of atheist , we have a full house of fundos no denials

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

An indian started a thread where kids r saying they r fed up practicing islam Lol and here we went for 4 pages

TARIQ

 

[Safriz]

Come on, yaar, lets never tell each lies - it's not a small minority - radicalism is a fact of our society - we throw around "kill" like it was "candy".

Islam is a "Dawa" and invitation - now according to us, it's a invitation with a gun held to our heads (an offer we can't refuse) thank you arabia. And it's not a minority that thinks this, after all look at the survey done by Dr. Siddiqa about attitudes of youth - radicalism, is now "pop culture" in Pakistan.

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According tot he constitution of Pakistan - Islam is the business of the state, so if we take the example you cite, it's chop chop - all good Islamic stuff.

Constitution of Pakistan is not full shariah,...it asks lawmakers to make laws in line with islamic traditions and beleifs..
The chop chop is way beyond us at the moment as we are nowhere near the knowledge and beleif of Omar ibnul Khattab.....for us are the very basics first then the complicated things later

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

One of my favourite quotes from the Quran: "There is no compulsion in Religion".

Some of my family members live in Malaysia, and even though they are atheist Chinese, they get along extremely well with the majority Malay Muslim population.