Pakistani Muslim youths turning into atheists

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who many killed and threated to death for leave islam till now?after all murtid ke saza maut hai na?

Punishment for irtidad (apostasy) is directly based on hadith and indirectly based on Qur'an.
Sahih al-Bukhari (Vol. 9, book 83,number 17) ,
"Allah's Apostle said, the blood of a Muslim, who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Chapter 149, Number 260, p.160-161):
Narrated 'Ikrama: 'Ali burnt some people and this news reached ibn 'Abbas, who said,"Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's punishment. 'No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophetsaid, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him"
AL-Nisa-80
He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allâh, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you(O Muhammad SAW) as a watcher over them.

 

[Imran Khan]

sir, its not my personl Law, its law of islam & Allah, i will research on that if u knw , then tel us why murtid ki saza maut hey??

murtid ki saza maout thi jab log musliman ho ker muker jaty thy .hazarat abu bake siddeq ki murtid hony wali tribes se 2 saal jung rahi ye bhi theek hai per jo muslman pedaishi ho wo is zumry main nhi aata is per iktalaf hai abhi tak.or secound us wakt islam main bhut sary defence law or dosry secrets thy jo kuffar ke pas jany se nuksaan ho sakta tha jesy ke kai bar muslim power kuch bhi na thi leken zahir bhut bari ki gai .sada misal ghazwa e uhud ke baad hamer al asad main hazoor pak or sathiyoon ka jung har ker bhi kuffar ka peecha kerna asl main un ko apny taqat se darana tha .ager us wakt ye secret mil jata to khalid bin waleen jo us wakt non muslim thy zaroor palat ker madinah ka safaya ker dety .isi trah jitny secrets thy wo bachany ke liye ye saza thi ab aysa kuch nhi hai or main un LAWs main tahreef nhi ker raha bus apni soch bata raha hoon ke ajkal ke maadi or educated dor main insan ki soch bhtak jaty hai or is ka khamyaza irtaad ki sorat main nikal sakta hai .sirf aik baat kafi hai DEEN MAIN KOI JABBER NHI ,bus

 

[Imran Khan]

well yes that's how nature works....offspring learn from their parents and follow their way.....
happens everywhere.......happens in Muslims families as well....
My comment was about people arguing to death about parts of shariah which we dont even come across in our lifetimes and forgetting the basic things.....Take this forum for example...thread after thread on rape laws...and half of the world commenting on it with good knowledge..But saying that how many of us come across rape? get raped? stand witness of rape? Percentage is zero point something..Now dont refer me to some feminist website as they will say 90 percent of women raped w.hores.

But nobody is intrigued about the more common things about islam...such as how this religion guides us about everyday life...how sunnah teaches us to have our for and how beneficent it is for human body....get it?

i am agreed yaar but i think as many THAT PUNISHMENT WAS FOR THOSE NOT FOR MUSLIM BORN .

 

[President Camacho]

murtid ki saza maout thi jab log musliman ho ker muker jaty thy .hazarat abu bake siddeq ki murtid hony wali tribes se 2 saal jung rahi ye bhi theek hai per jo muslman pedaishi ho wo is zumry main nhi aata is per iktalaf hai abhi tak.or secound us wakt islam main bhut sary defence law or dosry secrets thy jo kuffar ke pas jany se nuksaan ho sakta tha jesy ke kai bar muslim power kuch bhi na thi leken zahir bhut bari ki gai .sada misal ghazwa e uhud ke baad hamer al asad main hazoor pak or sathiyoon ka jung har ker bhi kuffar ka peecha kerna asl main un ko apny taqat se darana tha .ager us wakt ye secret mil jata to khalid bin waleen jo us wakt non muslim thy zaroor palat ker madinah ka safaya ker dety .isi trah jitny secrets thy wo bachany ke liye ye saza thi ab aysa kuch nhi hai or main un LAWs main tahreef nhi ker raha bus apni soch bata raha hoon ke ajkal ke maadi or educated dor main insan ki soch bhtak jaty hai or is ka khamyaza irtaad ki sorat main nikal sakta hai .sirf aik baat kafi hai DEEN MAIN KOI JABBER NHI ,bus

Very well said man (was not so easy to read though)

I too feel that the laws that do not appear so fit in these times, were acute necessities in those times.

Entire religion and the country would be at risk if such laws were not there to protect in those times.

 

[khurasaan1]

Islamabad: A handful of Pakistani Muslim youths is beginning to question the existence of God and, in the process, giving up Islam to become atheists.

Still a small number, the trend seems to be telling of pressures that the image of militant Islam has had on them. A Facebook group has been floated for Pakistan's agnostics and atheists by Hazrat NaKhuda, a former Pakistani Muslim.

At last count, the group had over a 100 members. In a thread started on the discussion board on "How did you become an atheist", Hazrat writes, "I used to be a practising Muslim. I used to live in Saudi Arabia. I have done two Hajs and countless Umrahs. Used to pray five times a day. When I turned 17-18, I realised that the only reason I was a Muslim was because my parents were Muslims.

Ahmed Zaidi (name changed), another member, posted on the discussion board: "I'm an agnostic simply because I see little or no evidence for the existence of God.

Some time ago I decided that I'd never believe anything unless it has a firm basis in reason and as far as I know (and I admit I know very little and that there's much to be learnt), there's little or no evidence for the existence of God."

The group, which is open strictly to members, has young Pakistani students studying in New York University to Oxford University to the prestigious Lahore University of Management Sciences as members.

Saeed Ahmad (name changed), who used to be a "practicing Ahmedi Muslim", started questioning his beliefs at the age of 17.

"I don't think there is any more detail to be added," he posted on the Facebook community for Pakistan's atheists and agnostics.

Nawab Zia (name changed) wrote that the moot question is not "how did you become an atheist" but "how did you become a believer".

He wrote: "I was a born atheist like every human being until my parents corrupted me with faith. Every child is born free and pure," Ali Rana (name changed), who loved Islamic preacher Zakir Nair and hated author Salman Rushdie, has had a change of heart too.

He now thinks Nair is an "idiot" and Rushdie a genius.

There are other threads on how the members "wasted" their years as theists.

Pakistani Muslim youths turning into atheists - Trends - Society - ibnlive

This is good thing to believe is to see......and seen.....
cant blame those pplz who never seen anything...they want to be pure ..and don't wanna believe false stuff is great thing.....and that is the quality of Islam....Alhamdolillah!..........when u become pure then U can see God......and ure belief will be a real, firm belief.......Subhan-Allah ...before that its fake one......or U can say its a lie......cuz person is claiming what he never seen....
when these pplz will sincerely try to find god they gotta clean their inside first then they will be able to see God everywhere.....Subhan-Allah.......

 

[Imran Khan]

Punishment for irtidad (apostasy) is directly based on hadith and indirectly based on Qur'an.
Sahih al-Bukhari (Vol. 9, book 83,number 17) ,
"Allah's Apostle said, the blood of a Muslim, who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Chapter 149, Number 260, p.160-161):
Narrated 'Ikrama: 'Ali burnt some people and this news reached ibn 'Abbas, who said,"Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's punishment. 'No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophetsaid, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him"
AL-Nisa-80
He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allâh, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you(O Muhammad SAW) as a watcher over them.

i can not comment on it dear because no one has right to TAHREEF in hadees and quran . but i still belive muslims now need ijtahad for counter these things .

 

[muse]

It has all to do with belief...we believe that Islam is the only salvation ion the life hereafter , and anybody who is not practicing islam with good faith will go to hell....so anybody who leaves an obvious path of eternal success is disliked by me...or suspected as messed up in the head..

And therefore must be killed - to save him or her from hell fire

 

[Imran Khan]

And therefore must be killed - to save him or her from hell fire

no its not work on basic rule sir if you are murtid its mean you die on kuffer even you punished its not murder or rape or something else its go out of islam so who he can be saved from hell?

 

[muse]

Oh, I see - so the individual is going to hell anyway and we are commanded to kill him or her.

 

[Imran Khan]

BTW if you apply this law you create more munafiqs then murtids its more dangrus for islam you guys know very well it will harm much more

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Oh, I see - so the individual is going to hell anyway and we are commanded to kill him or her.

thats what my point why not give him chance why we kill him just wait when he see grave near to him after 50 age he start go mosque daily 5 times just look around how many cow boys liberals open minds in end become true muslims.

 

[Safriz]

And therefore must be killed - to save him or her from hell fire

killing a person will fast track him/her to hell...and i am not fully aware of the "Murtadd" laws of shariah...

I suspect the law is to stop "fitnaa" and to stop people from being two faced....as in Muslim one day and non Muslim the other day and back to Muslim the next day....
Same as it is currently happening in many countries of Africa...I know people from Congo living not far from where i live,who have part Muslim part christian names...can recite verses of Quran,but have no belief in Allah and don't even know how to prey..

 

[muse]

IK'

You know some crazy people say that Quran says "La Iqra Fideen" - that there mist be no compulsion in religion - but I think we can make exceptions and kill people who do not agree with us - we kill so many anyways, what's a few more - anyway, we create more work for the devil and God likes that.

 

[AUz]

Well whats big deal? Indians like such topics don't they? Christianity has ALOT,ALOT of people converting to Atheism/Agnosticism but Christianity is still stable and has been since centuries..Islam,on the other hand,is not stable BUT GROWING UPWARDS ! Yes,many stupid youth who come on internet and see some anti-Islam sites and they feel like they are unable to answer the questions about Islam and they become "kinda agnostic".They don't know that it is called "apologetics" ! Like Zakir Naik outclasses Christians etc and similarly Christian "apologists" outclass Muslims because neither average Muslim or Christian know about how apologetic works.I've been into these things and I know almost ALL anti-Islam apologetic sites but only difference is that I also know Islam-defending apologetic sites like Answering-Christianitydotcom or call-to-monotheism etc etc ...Religion is about faith.If there is ANY and I mean ANY religion that I would follow then it is Islam and if not then I would not follow any other religion--

 

[saleen_s7]

i am agreed yaar but i think as many THAT PUNISHMENT WAS FOR THOSE NOT FOR MUSLIM BORN .

According to our religion, all babies are born as muslims because they are sinless. Using that logic, everyone from other religion has to be killed because they have converted? I was once kicked out of a religious ceremony for asking this question. lol.

 

[Safriz]

IK'

You know some crazy people say that Quran says "La Iqra Fideen" - that there mist be no compulsion in religion - but I think we can make exceptions and kill people who do not agree with us - we kill so many anyways, what's a few more - anyway, we create more work for the devil and God likes that.

you are wrong here...the law is to get rid of two faced people who can destablize societies and cause "fitnaa"..Look into the tafseer of "La Ikra fiddeen" surface knowledge is no good.
We need to look into history and see when the "zimmi" law was actually implemented.....and upon whom..I am sure only the worst of the worst would have been executed.
Dont know about other religions specially with jesus jokes flying around...but islam is no joke...and the laws of shariah are designed to keep it that way.