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[mahabharath]

First Question: How is it not a religious matter?

Dear I would request you to elaborate that how is this a religious matter??

I am not sure what you are trying to imply here!!! How come it is not a religious matter? are there any incidents happened where muslim girl married to hindu boy and it was accepted by society in Pakistan...don't try to play innocence plz...

Second Question: Who has to conduct investigation anyway?

Dear it is obvious that Law enforcement agencies should do this, however If required any other lawful mean should also be adopted.

which law enforcement agency ever favored non-muslim against the muslim in Pakistan? can you show me one paper cutting of such incident? don't talk fantasies here..i want something with proofs..

Third Question: What are the rights for the minorities in this kind of forced conversion cases?

Dear I would like to quote a Quranic verse "let there be no compulsion in religion" it is the divine right of minorities in this kind of cases.

Who cares what is written Quran!!! did Quran tell you to do the corruption and bribes? what is the level of corruption in practice in your so-called pure country? don't try to fool the people..it is obvious that who become fool with such tactics..

Fourth Question: Can she remain Hindu after this conversion?

According to Islamic principle of “SHAHADAT” (it is a specific term having broader meaning and philosophy, but to understand one could say it is synonyms to Testimony) “Any forceful shahadat is prohibited”

Now to become a Muslim one has “to give SHAHADAT with his/her free will”.

“If she was forced to become Muslim as it is reported, then in this case she is not Muslim till now”

who will decide whether she has done it forcefully or willingly? she will be kidnapped, raped and married..what future she has now to say she has not done it forcefully..why this 'forceful' argument doesn't come before she was married and consummated? are you asking her to become prostitute after she was raped by some bastard!!!!

Fifth question: Can she go back to her parents and file rape case and case against the forcible conversion?

Dear not much detail of this case is available till now but as it is said she has been recovered and in the custody of Women police station. After any free investigation, this case should take its due legal course.

After any free investigation? when was the last time in Pakistan there was free investigation conducted with the religious sensitive issue at the heart? These argument for the sake of arguments are not going to win any brownie points for you...may be you may win some brownies with religious faggots..but not with any sane people...

Sixth Question: But can she revert back to her original religion without any issues with Muslim community now?

Dear I don’t know why are you considering this case as something “MUSLIMS vs HINDUS.” It is an individual case and that “individual should hold responsible” if found guilty.

I have already answered that she is not Muslim “if she was forced as stated”.

it is individual question? is this isolate case? why it is always hindu girl kidnapped by some bastard? why not other way around? what do you mean by quoting "if she was forced as stated"? how can it be proved after she was raped and consummated and married? why not this ever happened before she was raped?

Seventh Question: Can you show me one example where anyone was converted back to their original religion and still living peacefully?

Dear can you give me one example of other situation?

What do you mean by other situation? other situation is already shown that, hindu girl was kidnapped, raped, consummated, married and left with no other option but to accept her fate. what is the other situation you are talking about? i have asked you above, show me once incident where hindu boy raped a muslim girl, married her, consummated and then was accepted by Pakistani society!!!

twisting logic won't change the facts on the ground..that may work with some inhuman religious bigots..but not with every human being...

 

[Skallagrim]

come with me we have trip of 3 months in pakistan then you may learn what dirty games are .

Not only in Pakistan that happens pretty much everywhere in subcontinent(india, bangla or pakistan). people who are opposing know that too, but they won't miss the chance to demonize muslims.

 

[Skallagrim]

OMG..it's rather old news! Every time you revive such threads people would be thinking another hindu girl eloped, got raped, force-converted or whatever in Pakistan.

 

[Birbal]

OMG..it's rather old news! Every time you revive such threads people would be thinking another hindu girl eloped, got raped, force-converted or whatever in Pakistan.

Has the girl been freed by the Pakistani police? If not then the news is not old but is of ongoing relevance.

 

[Safriz]

Has the girl been freed by the Pakistani police? If not then the news is not old but is of ongoing relevance.

no the police hasnt yet forced the couple to divorce and go back to their previous status.
why would the police do that?

 

[AstanoshKhan]

My sympathies with the poor girl... but their's lawlessness from top to bottom in Pakistan, and one sometimes wonders if you're living in a Jungle or what.

Anyway, these sort of incidents happens to their (Pakistani) native Muslim daughters too but Human Rights Watch doesn't bother reporting them... but since here is the religion involved, the sky suddenly break loos.

 

[Birbal]

no the police hasnt yet forced the couple to divorce and go back to their previous status.
why would the police do that?

Because the girl is 15 years old and so her marriage is not valid and she is incapable of making an independent decision to marry (both in the sense of being immature and in the sense of succumbing to external pressure).

 

[Safriz]

Because the girl is 15 years old and so her marriage is not valid and she is incapable of making an independent decision to marry (both in the sense of being immature and in the sense of succumbing to external pressure).

There is no credible source of verifying her age...But the following news says a lot..

Hindu community demands recovery of kidnapped girl

Faryal and Naveed Ahmed Shah fell in love, eloped and went to Daharki to Mian Mohammad Aslam of Bharchoondi Sharif. However, nineteen-year-old Faryal’s father, Nand Lal, had told the Mirpur Mathelo police that Shah, who lived in Sufi Mohallah, kidnapped her.

Mian Mohammad Aslam, the son of Pakistan Peoples Party MNA Mian Abdul Haq had said that the couple had visited him on Friday and the girl had expressed her desire to convert to Islam and marry Shah. Aslam informed the girl’s father and asked him to meet his daughter to confirm her wishes.

 

[EastWest]

Sad to see Hinduism being forcibly declined... If such incidents continues, Hinduism will be extinct in Pakistan..

May be that will be a moment of pride for Pakistanis who are supporting the girl being islamized.

 

[Birbal]

There is no credible source of verifying her age...But the following news says a lot..

Hindu community demands recovery of kidnapped girl

Alright let's set aside the question of her age. Do you seriously claim she looks like she's willingly marrying him?

 

[Safriz]

‘Forced conversion’: Teen insists she converted of own free will – The Express Tribune

 

[alibaz]

Faryal said that she had converted to Islam and had married Naveed Shah of her own free will, and that nobody had pressurised her into this.

SUKKUR:*Faryal Shah (Rinkle Kumari) appeared before the media on Thursday and made it clear that she had not been kidnapped and had not been forced to convert to Islam and marry Naveed Shah.
Faryal said that she had converted to Islam and had married Naveed Shah of her own free will, and that nobody had pressurised her into this. Reading out the Kalma-e-Tayyaba, Faryal said she was a Muslim girl and therefore had nothing to do with her parents.
Faryal (Rinkle Kumari) and her husband Naveed Shah were*produced*in front of the Sindh High Court (SHC) Sukkur bench on Thursday morning amid tight security.
The couple was escorted by SSP Ghotki Pir Mohammad Shah along with a heavy contingent of police. Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) MNA Mian Abdul Haq of Bharchoondi Sharif, his son Mian Mohammad Aslam and a large number of their followers were also present.
The couple through their lawyer, Achar Gabole, had filed a constitutional petition stating that their lives were under threat from the relatives of the girl, who had been issuing threats of dire consequences.
Answering a question on threats to their lives, she said, “Our lives are under threat from my maternal uncle Raj Kumar”. She once again made it clear that she was a Muslim and wanted to live with her husband Naveed Shah.
Advocate Mohammad Murad Lund, who was representing Faryal’s grandfather Manohar Lal, told*The Express Tribune*that the single bench comprising of Justice Ahmed Ali Shaikh without recording the statement of the girl had ordered SSP Ghotki to provide protection to the couple and ensure that they are produced before the SHC chief justice in Karachi on March 12.
Advocate Mohammad Murad Lund kept on insisting that, the girl was under pressure due to the presence of a large number of Bharchoondi Sharif followers. He said everything will become “crystal clear” in Karachi, as the girl would be able to record her statement in a tension free atmosphere.
Mian Mohammad Aslam of Bharchoondi Sharif said that everyone had seen that Faryal was neither under pressure and had not said a word against the Pirs. “Rather she gave a statement against her own maternal uncle who is threatening to kill her.”
He said his father, PPP MNA Mian Abdul Haq had also come to the court because the girl’s parents had requested that they wanted to meet their daughter, but they didn’t come to see her.
Aslam said when the couple had come to Dargah Bharchoondi Sharif on February 24, Faryal had spoken to her parents on his instructions and had told them that she had come there to convert to Islam and marry Naveed Shah.
“I personally requested them to come over and meet their daughter to see for themselves that she was not under pressure, but they didn’t’ come,” Mian Aslam said.
He once again said that neither Islam nor the law of the land allowed forced conversion.

 

[saiyan0321]

May be that will be a moment of pride for Pakistanis who are supporting the girl being islamized.

the girl became a muslim on her own so ofcourse we would celebrate her coming in islam..............

anyway wonder how all those indians who were protesting this think now P

 

[Pukhtoon]

False propaganda exposed - forced Islam conversion of Rinkle Kumari | Tension Free Life | VideofyMe


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[Ark-Angel]

Islam dont allow forced conversion!